Worth grading to sell?

[rms13]

I have a few vintage cards I'm ready to move on from. They are all raw and nothing high grade quality. 1958 All Star Aaron, 1964 Mays, 1968 Banks and 1966 HR Leaders Mays/McCovey/Williams. I'd say they would grade 1.5, 4, 5, 5. The cost of grading compared to what they would sell for graded in those conditions doesn't seem worth it but I also know that as a nobody seller on ebay such as myself it may be harder to sell them raw

[discodanman45]

Just take good pictures and I am sure you won't have a hard time selling them raw. Just disclose any creases or issues with the cards. There are many collectors that would love to have those cards raw and they sell quickly on eBay.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Just take good pictures and I am sure you won't have a hard time selling them raw. Just disclose any creases or issues with the cards. There are many collectors that would love to have those cards raw and they sell quickly on eBay.

Thanks. I figured raw would be the way to go at least financially but I know a lot of people don't want to buy raw vintage on ebay unless it's from Greg Morris or another big seller. I'll take lots of picture and list them.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rms13

Thanks. I figured raw would be the way to go at least financially but I know a lot of people don't want to buy raw vintage on ebay unless it's from Greg Morris or another big seller. I'll take lots of picture and list them.

Some of the prices people pay for Greg Morris is insane. Their condition notes are valued over PSA's grading scale for some of the raw stuff they sell. Some collectors don't ever even get involved in their auctions. Maybe if I need a 1951 Topps Red/Blue Back I might make a bid here and there.

My advice is to not use auctions for eBay right now. Use BIN's and accept offers.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Some of the prices people pay for Greg Morris is insane. Their condition notes are valued over PSA's grading scale for some of the raw stuff they sell. Some collectors don't ever even get involved in their auctions. Maybe if I need a 1951 Topps Red/Blue Back I might make a bid here and there.

My advice is to not use auctions for eBay right now. Use BIN's and accept offers.

Thanks. Yes I'll research comps for these cards and list BIN at reasonable prices based on recent sales. And yes, GM is the king of raw vintage and his grading scale and authentication is very respected

[Browns1981]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Some of the prices people pay for Greg Morris is insane. Their condition notes are valued over PSA's grading scale for some of the raw stuff they sell. Some collectors don't ever even get involved in their auctions. Maybe if I need a 1951 Topps Red/Blue Back I might make a bid here and there.

My advice is to not use auctions for eBay right now. Use BIN's and accept offers.

GM are pretty reliable but lately I have seen some questionably graded NM/NM+ that definitely aren’t. Make me think they’ve hired new people who aren’t trained.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Browns1981

GM are pretty reliable but lately I have seen some questionably graded NM/NM+ that definitely aren’t. Make me think they’ve hired new people who aren’t trained.

I was also thinking that Greg Morris has a lot of new people who aren’t qualified/trained. There was a recent listing, which was removed, for a 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson. Whoever evaluated it was literally holding in their hand a bowman chrome reprint and assessed it as a nm-mint or better
original. But I guess the people who bid on it were just as bad.

[irv]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I was also thinking that Greg Morris has a lot of new people who aren’t qualified/trained. There was a recent listing, which was removed, for a 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson. Whoever evaluated it was literally holding in their hand a bowman chrome reprint and assessed it as a nm-mint or better
original. But I guess the people who bid on it were just as bad.

I wrote them, as I'm sure others did, and this was their thank you reply.

"Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have been made aware of the accidental data entry error on this specific listing. There must have been a glitch within our system that did not recognize the card was a reprint when scanned. We have now ended the listing.

Thank you once more for letting us know about the error and we hope to continue being accurate with our listings moving forward while providing you with the best we can offer"

Kind regards,
GMC Customer Care

[rms13]

Thanks for advice on this thread. I also had a 1960 and 1975 Aaron that were in pretty good condition. Listed them all and sold all but 2 in first 24 hrs. Sold Banks a few days later. The only one left is Mays. He really doesn't get the respect he deserves. I've dropped the price twice and I think it's well below recent comps now but haven't even gotten a single low ball offer.

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[discodanman45]

If you have cards on eBay at or below comps, just let it sit there. You will be shocked a few weeks later someone will BIN it. I think the best advice for people selling on ebay is to have quantity of cards at competitive BIN prices. Most people won't even throw out an offer, the will just buy it at your price.

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Some of the prices people pay for Greg Morris is insane. Their condition notes are valued over PSA's grading scale for some of the raw stuff they sell. Some collectors don't ever even get involved in their auctions. Maybe if I need a 1951 Topps Red/Blue Back I might make a bid here and there.

My advice is to not use auctions for eBay right now. Use BIN's and accept offers.

Agreed about their prices being utterly ridiculous. I've never bought one personally. Too much.

[irv]

Originally Posted by gmoney328

Agreed about their prices being utterly ridiculous. I've never bought one personally. Too much.

"Utterly ridiculous"? I disagree with that. Have you seen Dean's prices?

Like me, I think a lot of people, hence the big following, like GM cards because the majority of the time their grading is spot on, they have a huge selection most times, and their is never any fuss on returns if you are not happy with your purchase.
I've purchased from many sellers, and due to some shady characters I've encountered along the way, I always end up back at GM cards for the most part.
Are they perfect? No, but show me a big seller who is better and I'll be sure to check them out.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by irv

Like me, I think a lot of people, hence the big following, like GM cards because the majority of the time their grading is spot on, they have a huge selection most times, and their is never any fuss on returns if you are not happy with your purchase.

As someone who buys cards to grade, I have had much better success buying from small sellers on eBay. You pay a premium for any of the big sellers for vintage cards on eBay because of the trust people have with them. Saying that, I put a lot of time and effort into getting the best card for the money. A lot of people don't have the time and just want a quality card from a company that they trust and has great customer service.

Some vintage collectors also HATE grading. They would rather just get a card from GM that they trust the "grade" and not deal with PSA/BGS/SGC etc... Personally, I would rather buy a graded card from SGC/CSG because I know how they grade, and you can get a darn good card from those slabs over the inflated PSA prices. That is how I collect, and people will probably think I am a fool.

[CKYC]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

As someone who buys cards to grade, I have had much better success buying from small sellers on eBay. You pay a premium for any of the big sellers for vintage cards on eBay because of the trust people have with them. Saying that, I put a lot of time and effort into getting the best card for the money. A lot of people don't have the time and just want a quality card from a company that they trust and has great customer service.

Some vintage collectors also HATE grading. They would rather just get a card from GM that they trust the "grade" and not deal with PSA/BGS/SGC etc... Personally, I would rather buy a graded card from SGC/CSG because I know how they grade, and you can get a darn good card from those slabs over the inflated PSA prices. That is how I collect, and people will probably think I am a fool.

With you on the second point – I don't remember the last time I bought a PSA slab. Save money, get SGC or CSG.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by irv

"Utterly ridiculous"? I disagree with that. Have you seen Dean's prices?

Like me, I think a lot of people, hence the big following, like GM cards because the majority of the time their grading is spot on, they have a huge selection most times, and their is never any fuss on returns if you are not happy with your purchase.
I've purchased from many sellers, and due to some shady characters I've encountered along the way, I always end up back at GM cards for the most part.
Are they perfect? No, but show me a big seller who is better and I'll be sure to check them out.

Totally agree. With all the grading hoopla over the last 20+ years, it was only a matter of time before someone scooped up the raw niche in the market and made something of it due to the fact that most raw sellers grade so terribly. By building a name for himself based on proper raw grading when virtually nobody else can do it so consistently, Greg Morris has created a service that for the prices realized at least gives the major TPG's a run for their money I would bet in profit. I think his company is fantastic.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by CKYC

With you on the second point – I don't remember the last time I bought a PSA slab. Save money, get SGC or CSG.

Yep. I like raw cards, but sometimes for the price point with whatever you are going after, you just want the reassurance of a slab. For the combo of customer service and grading accuracy, SGC is easily a better deal than PSA - whose customer service has always been C- at best, and whose grading right now is all over the freaking place.