Why was arteepower's thread about leore ripping him off deleted?

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

There are pictures of the card in the BGS holder. It shouldn't be that difficult to tell if the card was trimmed after it was cracked.
Are there any before pictures of the card before BGS graded it the first time?
I would hope the people over at ALT did their due dilligence before filing a lawsuit.

Considering the fact that they've listed an altered KD RPA that's been outed many times and talked about for years, I figure they didn't. I guess only time will tell.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Considering the fact that they've listed an altered KD RPA that's been outed many times and talked about for years, I figure they didn't. I guess only time will tell.

Alt will relist this Curry for sale in some fashion at some point. I'm not taking up or arguing for ALT and its business practices.

If this card was trimmed before ALT cracked it, the truth needs to come out.
BGS needs to be held accountable at some point. They have been grading fakes and trimmed crap without standing behind their work for far too long.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Nice video breakdown from Deadshot, via his Wax Museum Podcast YouTube channel.

Great video from deadshot, as always. Everyone should watch it.

[Deadshot]

Oh I agree 100% about BGS. I think this particular case is gonna be an uphill climb for ALT though.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

BGS needs to be held accountable at some point. They have been grading fakes and trimmed crap without standing behind their work for far too long.

I’m equally frustrated, but let’s not pretend it is just BGS. Tons of horrific stories about PSA and the other companies, too. And while I agree someone needs to make the grading companies accountable, it sure does not seem like ALT is in a position of integrity to play the hero.

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by bmf

And while I agree someone needs to make the grading companies accountable

Isn't that what Mike Jones is for...or is it Mike Baker? I the 2 confused.

[Prizmcollector9]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

There are pictures of the card in the BGS holder. It shouldn't be that difficult to tell if the card was trimmed after it was cracked.
Are there any before pictures of the card before BGS graded it the first time?
I would hope the people over at ALT did their due dilligence before filing a lawsuit.

As a non lawyer it seems ALT altered a product by cracking it out. Like an IPad or iPhone if you have a local non authorized shop work on it to fix a screen, you void your warranty and any insurance you took out. Seems no matter how good Alt thinks their case is, they cracked it out themselves and will easily lose.

[bmf]

Originally Posted by Prizmcollector9

As a non lawyer it seems ALT altered a product by cracking it out. Like an IPad or iPhone if you have a local non authorized shop work on it to fix a screen, you void your warranty and any insurance you took out. Seems no matter how good Alt thinks their case is, they cracked it out themselves and will easily lose.

For sure. If Beckett loses this, they need to get new attorneys. This is a Hail Mary by Alt.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by bmf

I’m equally frustrated, but let’s not pretend it is just BGS. Tons of horrific stories about PSA and the other companies, too. And while I agree someone needs to make the grading companies accountable, it sure does not seem like ALT is in a position of integrity to play the hero.

This is why I find this case so interesting. Beckett might get a quick dismissal or decide to settle (boo) but two companies, each having integrity issues, could produce some great legal fun. Who originally submitted the card, did ALT alter the card, why did the original thread (scamming a grading company) get deleted,....?

While I personally don't like the idea of ALT potentially leading the way with a before/after photo-match case, if they can win at trial, the hobby likely benefits (grading, "opinion" liability).

[auburn35]

Here's a link to a breakdown of Beckett's motion to dismiss.
https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...180311040?s=20

Rather than focus on the alleged removal of the card from the case, Beckett appears to be trying to dismiss the case by suggesting they're not liable for the assigned grade, as the grading occurred prior to ALT's existence.

[KhalDrogo]

Beckett's argument is legally ridiculous and should be found by the court as such if the court can grasp the context here. How can Beckett ever be aware of who the third party is beyond who the submitter of the card is? And except in the case of Beckett intentionally harming the submitter by fraudulently lowering the grade of the card submitted, the submitter can not be harmed by the grade assigned by Beckett. The issue at hand here is that Beckett assigned an erroneously high grade, thus benefitting the third party submitter.

I guess this is just legal wrangling. But Beckett's best bet seems to be that they're providing an opinion only. And short of Alt proving that Beckett intentionally past an alteration to assign an undeserving grade, I don't see how Alt has a case.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Here's a link to a breakdown of Beckett's motion to dismiss.
https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...180311040?s=20

Rather than focus on the alleged removal of the card from the case, Beckett appears to be trying to dismiss the case by suggesting they're not liable for the assigned grade, as the grading occurred prior to ALT's existence.

Sounds like they are trying to deny ALT standing to bring the claim. It's a smart move as it doesn't engage with the specific claims or allegations. Also a cost-saving move to get out of potentially damaging litigation early.

ALT's "negligent misrepresentation" argument is on its face, silly.

[NBAicons]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Sounds like they are trying to deny ALT standing to bring the claim. It's a smart move as it doesn't engage with the specific claims or allegations. Also a cost-saving move to get out of potentially damaging litigation early.

ALT's "negligent misrepresentation" argument is on its face, silly.

Yep. This would be the obvious first move by any decent lawyer.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

Yep. This would be the obvious first move by any decent lawyer.

I'm glad I'm on blowout then! Full of lawyers, CPAs, and doctors!

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Beckett's argument is legally ridiculous and should be found by the court as such if the court can grasp the context here. How can Beckett ever be aware of who the third party is beyond who the submitter of the card is? And except in the case of Beckett intentionally harming the submitter by fraudulently lowering the grade of the card submitted, the submitter can not be harmed by the grade assigned by Beckett. The issue at hand here is that Beckett assigned an erroneously high grade, thus benefitting the third party submitter.

I guess this is just legal wrangling. But Beckett's best bet seems to be that they're providing an opinion only. And short of Alt proving that Beckett intentionally past an alteration to assign an undeserving grade, I don't see how Alt has a case.

ALT would need to prove BGS not only knew it was altered, but then intentionally passed it off as unaltered. Very high bar.

Not to mention the chain of custody issues and the breaking of the slab. ALT's lawsuit claims the BGS slab and condition represented on the slab is itself "effectively representing the card was not altered". Not sure that's a warranty to be relied on from any grading company. Card Doctors are not new and have certainly passed off altered cards as authentic, and it will likely happen again.

This seems like a Hail Mary CYA from ALT before investors or stakeholders start demanding their pound of flesh for this boondoggle.

[pharmboymatt]

Bump. How's dirty putz scammer Leore Avidar doing? Alt getting liquidated yet?

[auburn35]

As expected, the judge tossed Beckett's motion to dismiss.

Full recap, should anyone want to take a look.
https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...131029504?s=20

"@Paul_Lesko
The court pointed out how dumb Beckett's argument was because "If the Court were to adopt Beckett’s position, liability for negligent grading of sports cards would be limited to the original customer who requested grading of a card."

And that's NOT how grades should work.

The best language here is "Beckett cannot simultaneously present itself as a credible servicer that can be trusted for validation in the secondary sports card market, but avoid liability for misrepresenting the authenticity of graded products."

[auburn35]

No news on the Beckett case but similarly to what was alleged in the referenced thread blowout deleted, it appears ALT might be following their founders tactics and again going after the grading company and the alleged seller of the Curry.

https://x.com/Paul_Lesko/status/1718...943096389?s=20

[auburn35]

We finally get to see who submitted the Curry, and to no surprise, it just happens to be a well known card trimmer. Who would have guessed.

List of eBay Accounts of Known Card Trimmers & their Agents
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304959

https://x.com/Paul_Lesko/status/1767...396820815?s=20

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by auburn35

We finally get to see who submitted the Curry, and to no surprise, it just happens to be a well known card trimmer. Who would have guessed.

List of eBay Accounts of Known Card Trimmers & their Agents
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304959

https://x.com/Paul_Lesko/status/1767...396820815?s=20

Is this a legal document?

Was it even QCed?

"2019-2010"?!

[Gem10collection]

I'm happy someone is going after the fraud and incompetence within the hobby. Now, if we can also do something about the greed of established players.

[boxbuster7]

And of all people it is ALT...can't make this up

[coltsnsox07]

Neat, I see my old friend Gary Mills from West Allis Sports Cards on that National list. He must have sold what's now a million dollars in Trout rookies for guys from his shop(including me, of course) on ebay back in 2012......for maybe ten grand total then.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

And of all people it is ALT...can't make this up

Some more updates, this time from Beckett. Fun read, espically the slack thread, discussing the decision to crack the card out of the BGS holder.

https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...92537560154481





Focusing on Alt, this is a classic.
I understand the request for money (bogus authentication), but even after the Curry was allegedly twice rejected by psa and Beckett, three times, alt appears to have requested that BGS ignore all of that and put the card back into a 9.5 holder.

Integrity in the industry.

[pcptrade]

Alt cannot prove that the trimming happened prior to 2016 submission. I said Beckett will use the following in their defense and Alt can't do anything about it.

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Beckett will say that the trimming could have happened after it was cracked from their slab and prior to submitting to PSA.