Is someone’s rookie card impacted if they’re on a different team?

SevenRings · 05-13-2023, 03:32 PM

Let me explain the question because I couldn’t seem to ask it within the title requirements.

For instance, Jalen Brunson. He did fine on the Mavs, but his breakout is with the Knicks. Say he continues his success with New York, will his rookie cards always have a lower ceiling because he’s on the Mavs in 2018?

Thanks!

PSA2Pac · 05-13-2023, 03:38 PM

Dowhatnow?

A players rookie card is a players rookie card. Team isn’t really of significance.

chris_ac · 05-13-2023, 03:40 PM

1 view to this ? is look in hindsight at the best players of the past couple decades and you'll notice most accomplished something with the team that drafted them. Whether personal accolades or titles or even the HOFers who did not win a title played for their original team for quite awhile before making a few stops on the way out.

Your ? for Brunson maybe an issue since he did not provide much with that team assuming the continued success in NY. In the 4 major sport leagues, changing teams early in the career because the team they are leaving is problematic for them hence forgotten if all successes are with the new team. Rookie cards still have value of course but it does leave stigma imho.

PSA2Pac · 05-13-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chris_ac

In the 4 major sport leagues, changing teams early in the career because the team they are leaving is problematic for them hence forgotten if all successes are with the new team. Rookie cards still have value of course but it does leave stigma imho.

But does it affect value/demand? I can’t recall a significant case of a player leaving their original team and it affecting their rookie card or people looking down on it, because of a team change. Like you said, most players change teams as it is.

If you’re speaking specifically to a player changing teams early in their career I still don’t see it as an issue. SGA is one example of this and his rookie cards are his rookie cards: in a Clippers uni. He’s still coveted, never heard of anybody downplaying his value solely because of it

Tallboy · 05-13-2023, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SevenRings

Let me explain the question because I couldn’t seem to ask it within the title requirements.

For instance, Jalen Brunson. He did fine on the Mavs, but his breakout is with the Knicks. Say he continues his success with New York, will his rookie cards always have a lower ceiling because he’s on the Mavs in 2018?

Thanks!

It's an excellent question.

I think the key here is about the specific demand of the team collectors. I don't think there's any doubt that Knick fans would be more interested in a Brunson rookie if he were in a Knick uniform.

This is something I've also thought about with draftmate SGA. Thunder fans certainly are going to be less interested in Clipper gear than Thunder gear.

Now, in practice is it having a major effect on modern players? I don't know, and my gut tells me not so much, because so much of the market isn't dominated by team fans the way things were in the deeper past.

cms11 · 05-13-2023, 06:04 PM

Does it hurt James Harden's RCs that he's in a Thunder uniform and didn't achieve much with them?

GOATcards · 05-13-2023, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cms11

Does it hurt James Harden's RCs that he's in a Thunder uniform and didn't achieve much with them?

no one buys harden rc's

hermanotarjeta · 05-13-2023, 06:37 PM

Never hurt lebron’s card prices.

ninjacookies · 05-13-2023, 06:42 PM

If you're a transcendent player, it doesn't matter.

People will always want the most coveted rookie year stuff, regardless of jersey.

Brunson's prices aren't marginalized by appearing as a Mav, it's because he's an undersized pg with zero draft pedigree which the hobby rarely gravitates towards. Still, if you purchased his stuff before the trade you've probably done decently well.

WallyatJCCards · 05-13-2023, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SevenRings

Let me explain the question because I couldn’t seem to ask it within the title requirements.

For instance, Jalen Brunson. He did fine on the Mavs, but his breakout is with the Knicks. Say he continues his success with New York, will his rookie cards always have a lower ceiling because he’s on the Mavs in 2018?

Thanks!

yes, mainly, mostly, because

oplum29 · 05-13-2023, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SevenRings

Let me explain the question because I couldn’t seem to ask it within the title requirements.

For instance, Jalen Brunson. He did fine on the Mavs, but his breakout is with the Knicks. Say he continues his success with New York, will his rookie cards always have a lower ceiling because he’s on the Mavs in 2018?

Thanks!

they may not be as appealing, but no, it doesn't hurt their values or anything.

sotexcollector · 05-13-2023, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

no one buys harden rc's

Sorry, I didn't mean too...lol

boxbuster7 · 05-13-2023, 07:38 PM

I've thought about this a lot. And I'd agree with ninjacookies - if you are transcendent it doesn't matter, but for 99% of players I'd say it does in fact hurt the market.

Look at Brunson. He just carried the Knicks to the farthest they've been in years. He scored 41 points in a playoff game. they got eliminated but still.

His 2018 prizm rc silver is like 1/40th the price of lukas - and the craziest part is the've gone up recently. I know he was never as big of a prospect, but two guys from the same team and same set are a great example as to how getting traded does change the market a bit.

if Brunson were still on the mavs and did the same things he did on the knicks in this years playoffs, his silver would be $50+

cardsin47 · 05-13-2023, 08:12 PM

No …..

Ferg1945 · 05-13-2023, 08:21 PM

if Brunson helps the Knicks win a championship or 2... his cards will go up.

will that be enough for him to reach superstar status and get in conversations? highly unlikely.

fabiani12333 · 05-13-2023, 08:32 PM

I think it dampens the appeal of the card with collectors. If a player becomes a star with a specific franchise, especially a big market franchise like the Knicks, collectors are going to want the player's rookie card to match up with that team.

fabiani12333 · 05-13-2023, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

If you're a transcendent player, it doesn't matter.

People will always want the most coveted rookie year stuff, regardless of jersey.

On the other hand, there aren't too many transcendent players with rookie cards depicting them on a team different than the one they became a star with. And many of those players stayed with only one team -- Kobe, Jordan, Curry, Duncan, Magic, Bird etc.

chetb · 05-13-2023, 08:50 PM

i’m a knicks collector and Brunson fan but have zero interest in Brunson cards where he’s in a Dallas uniform.

Same with Julius Randle in a Pelicans or Lakers jersey.

Similarly i collect Sacramento Kings, especially C Webb and J Will, but won’t touch any of their non Kings cards.

i’m not sure how common this attitude is, but it’s how i do it! as far as my collecting goes, 2022-23 is basically Brunson’s “rookie year” for the Knicks, and anything from before now may as well not exist.

MavsRChamps · 05-13-2023, 08:54 PM

Answer is obviously yes - degree varies. Sometimes slightly, sometimes more. Main affect is low end rookie. If you don’t think say a Hoops Brunson rookie in Knicks uniform would have more traction, eyes, and bids on it then a Mavs Uni - well that doesn’t make any sense. Knocks fans / collectors may want 1 Brunson rookie (or several) but they’d surely want more if he was in Knicks Jersey.

A practical example is obviously a card shop owner in New York would more likely buy up Brunson rookies to sell if he was in Knicks jersey, for $3 or $5 or $10 each. He’s much less likely to buy up all the Brunson rookies in Mavs Jersey cause that Knicks fan coming into the shop is less likely to buy them at least at a markup.

rifleman69 · 05-13-2023, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SevenRings

Let me explain the question because I couldn’t seem to ask it within the title requirements.

For instance, Jalen Brunson. He did fine on the Mavs, but his breakout is with the Knicks. Say he continues his success with New York, will his rookie cards always have a lower ceiling because he’s on the Mavs in 2018?

Thanks!

Brunson Knick RC's are going off like Lebron Laker RC's.

cms11 · 05-13-2023, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Never hurt lebron’s card prices.

LeBron was ROY, won 2 MVP's, and a title with the Cavs.

rifleman69 · 05-13-2023, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cms11

LeBron was ROY, won 2 MVP's, and a title with the Cavs.

And his Laker RC prices came crashing down afterward.

jcmel323 · 05-13-2023, 11:33 PM

KD rookies are in supersonics uniform and still sells pretty good

I think Jeremy Lin cards were in GSW uniform and still went to the moon.

Brunson is a great player and maybe will have multiple allstars but i dont see a hobby demand even with 1 ring.

cms11 · 05-14-2023, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmel323

KD rookies are in supersonics uniform and still sells pretty good

I think Jeremy Lin cards were in GSW uniform and still went to the moon.

Brunson is a great player and maybe will have multiple allstars but i dont see a hobby demand even with 1 ring.

He won ROY with them and they became the Thunder so it's not like he changed teams. I do think it's a slight negative since it's not the team he's associated with in people's minds.

wubh · 05-14-2023, 09:00 AM

100% impacts things IMO.

Some of the most iconic and desirable rookies features guys who played only or long-term with their draft team (Jordan, Kobe, AI, Steph, etc). Joker rookies are probably a pretty good investment due to not being included in a lot of releases, likely continued future accolades and how much he loves the Denver org.

If Luka or Giannis ever move onto different teams, it will impact their hobby value like Carmelo, T-Mac, KG or VC before them (unless they achieve Lebron like legendary status ).

If a guy like Jaylen Brown ultimately gets moved, I think his rookies will drop significantly short of a massive over performance with his new team.

As others have pointed out, for semi-stars like Brunson, the different uniform rookie will significantly depress that value, especially at the mid to low end.

05-13-2023, 03:32 PM	#1
SevenRings Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 95	Is someone’s rookie card impacted if they’re on a different team? Let me explain the question because I couldn’t seem to ask it within the title requirements. For instance, Jalen Brunson. He did fine on the Mavs, but his breakout is with the Knicks. Say he continues his success with New York, will his rookie cards always have a lower ceiling because he’s on the Mavs in 2018? Thanks!

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chris_ac Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,281	1 view to this ? is look in hindsight at the best players of the past couple decades and you'll notice most accomplished something with the team that drafted them. Whether personal accolades or titles or even the HOFers who did not win a title played for their original team for quite awhile before making a few stops on the way out. Your ? for Brunson maybe an issue since he did not provide much with that team assuming the continued success in NY. In the 4 major sport leagues, changing teams early in the career because the team they are leaving is problematic for them hence forgotten if all successes are with the new team. Rookie cards still have value of course but it does leave stigma imho. __________________ PC (NFS/NFT): Anze Kopitar/Justin Jefferson/Victor Wembanyama IG: playerclector

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ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,025	If you're a transcendent player, it doesn't matter. People will always want the most coveted rookie year stuff, regardless of jersey. Brunson's prices aren't marginalized by appearing as a Mav, it's because he's an undersized pg with zero draft pedigree which the hobby rarely gravitates towards. Still, if you purchased his stuff before the trade you've probably done decently well. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

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boxbuster7 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 12,775 boxbuster777	I've thought about this a lot. And I'd agree with ninjacookies - if you are transcendent it doesn't matter, but for 99% of players I'd say it does in fact hurt the market. Look at Brunson. He just carried the Knicks to the farthest they've been in years. He scored 41 points in a playoff game. they got eliminated but still. His 2018 prizm rc silver is like 1/40th the price of lukas - and the craziest part is the've gone up recently. I know he was never as big of a prospect, but two guys from the same team and same set are a great example as to how getting traded does change the market a bit. if Brunson were still on the mavs and did the same things he did on the knicks in this years playoffs, his silver would be $50+ __________________ Psa 9 > psa 10

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PSA2Pac Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 3,893	Dowhatnow? A players rookie card is a players rookie card. Team isn’t really of significance.

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hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,998	Never hurt lebron’s card prices.

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Ferg1945 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 14,720	if Brunson helps the Knicks win a championship or 2... his cards will go up. will that be enough for him to reach superstar status and get in conversations? highly unlikely.

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fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 12,314	I think it dampens the appeal of the card with collectors. If a player becomes a star with a specific franchise, especially a big market franchise like the Knicks, collectors are going to want the player's rookie card to match up with that team.

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chetb Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 245	Is someone’s rookie card impacted if they’re on a different team? i’m a knicks collector and Brunson fan but have zero interest in Brunson cards where he’s in a Dallas uniform. Same with Julius Randle in a Pelicans or Lakers jersey. Similarly i collect Sacramento Kings, especially C Webb and J Will, but won’t touch any of their non Kings cards. i’m not sure how common this attitude is, but it’s how i do it! as far as my collecting goes, 2022-23 is basically Brunson’s “rookie year” for the Knicks, and anything from before now may as well not exist. Last edited by chetb; 05-13-2023 at 09:29 PM.

05-13-2023, 08:54 PM	#19
MavsRChamps Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,036 purple3252	Answer is obviously yes - degree varies. Sometimes slightly, sometimes more. Main affect is low end rookie. If you don’t think say a Hoops Brunson rookie in Knicks uniform would have more traction, eyes, and bids on it then a Mavs Uni - well that doesn’t make any sense. Knocks fans / collectors may want 1 Brunson rookie (or several) but they’d surely want more if he was in Knicks Jersey. A practical example is obviously a card shop owner in New York would more likely buy up Brunson rookies to sell if he was in Knicks jersey, for $3 or $5 or $10 each. He’s much less likely to buy up all the Brunson rookies in Mavs Jersey cause that Knicks fan coming into the shop is less likely to buy them at least at a markup.

05-13-2023, 11:33 PM	#23
jcmel323 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 2,940	KD rookies are in supersonics uniform and still sells pretty good I think Jeremy Lin cards were in GSW uniform and still went to the moon. Brunson is a great player and maybe will have multiple allstars but i dont see a hobby demand even with 1 ring.

05-14-2023, 09:00 AM	#25
wubh Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 525	100% impacts things IMO. Some of the most iconic and desirable rookies features guys who played only or long-term with their draft team (Jordan, Kobe, AI, Steph, etc). Joker rookies are probably a pretty good investment due to not being included in a lot of releases, likely continued future accolades and how much he loves the Denver org. If Luka or Giannis ever move onto different teams, it will impact their hobby value like Carmelo, T-Mac, KG or VC before them (unless they achieve Lebron like legendary status ). If a guy like Jaylen Brown ultimately gets moved, I think his rookies will drop significantly short of a massive over performance with his new team. As others have pointed out, for semi-stars like Brunson, the different uniform rookie will significantly depress that value, especially at the mid to low end.