RIP Pac 12

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by RTR6

Bet the Rose Bowl is hating this. Wonder if they will stick with Pac/Big 10?

Rose Bowl will be loving this when they get the B10 Title game

Which will happen in some sort of rotation because of weather

The Rose Bowl itself hasn't mattered for years

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by packman80

So read that there is a $32 million fee to pay to the MWC if a team would try to leave before the 2025 season and everyone is leaving the Pac-12 after this season leaving a possible 2024 season of only 4 teams in the Pac-12.

So now if only Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State are left do they go the Independent route for a season then try to convince the MWC teams to come and reform the PAC-12 in 2025?

I suppose if the MWC unanimously decided to join the Pac-12, they wouldn't have to wait that extra year. It could happen right away in 2024.

[RTR6]

Wonder if the SEC feels they have to match the Big 10 now? I hate all this but no stopping it at this point. If the ACC is to be raided I guess some combination of Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, or Virginia Tech would be my guess.

[nickp91]

The fiasco that was the Pac 12 network was the beginning of the end

[Dielon]

ACC and PAC 12 need to merge in order to keep pace. Call it the PAACC

[MyckKabongo]

* So many programs and fans are going to have regrets. They'll join Missouri, Nebraska, and all the rest in never doing diddly after moving. Cool if you enjoy bragging about conference payouts and pathetically chanting S-E-C while watching Alabama win instead of your own school. Great brand name schools that played for conference titles and BCS bowls every few years will become instead known as middling also rans.

* Big 10 always want to group themselves with the SEC. Heh, I regret to inform you guys but you're much closer to the ACC and Big 12 in football prowess than you are to the SEC.

* No one predicted the Big 12 would outlast the Pac 12. No one. Big 12 leadership absolutely deserves credit.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* So many programs and fans are going to have regrets. They'll join Missouri, Nebraska, and all the rest in never doing diddly after moving. Cool if you enjoy bragging about conference payouts and pathetically chanting S-E-C while watching Alabama win instead of your own school. Great brand name schools that played for conference titles and BCS bowls every few years will become instead known as middling also rans.

* Big 10 always want to group themselves with the SEC. Heh, I regret to inform you guys but you're much closer to the ACC and Big 12 in football prowess than you are to the SEC.

* No one predicted the Big 12 would outlast the Pac 12. No one. Big 12 leadership absolutely deserves credit.

Explain point 2 please

Thanks

[mc1]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* No one predicted the Big 12 would outlast the Pac 12. No one. Big 12 leadership absolutely deserves credit.

Laughable. The Pac died because the B1G killed them by taking the LA market and then coming back for two other top brands. Once USC and UCLA left then it was game over. Everyone left was hoping to get a B1G invite, someday.

When Texas and OU left the Big 12 nobody that remained received any interest from any other conference. Nobody wanted Kansas, TCU or Texas Tech… They also benefitted from location. Good markets and good replacement options from the AAC. Which teams were available to the PAC? San Diego St, Fresno or Boise? That just wasnt going to cut it.

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Explain point 2 please

Thanks

Sure thing, bud! Couldn't help but notice some Big 10 guys including you trashing the Big 12, so I figured a reality check was in order. Really too easy to do.

Over the past 25 years, the all powerful Big 10 has won exactly as many national titles as the Big 12 and quite a few less than the ACC. Over the history of the Big 12, the incredibly dominant, ultra prestigious Big 10 has won 51% of games against them. Truly a massive advantage!

Ohio State is the outlier but honestly the median Big 10 team is at the same level as the median Big 12 or ACC team.

Do have to hand it to the Big 10 though. They have added some once nationally-dominant brands that have been declining for some time but are deluded about it. Just great adds. Matches the conference's brand completely.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by RTR6

Wonder if the SEC feels they have to match the Big 10 now? I hate all this but no stopping it at this point. If the ACC is to be raided I guess some combination of Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, or Virginia Tech would be my guess.

ACC Grant of Rights

https://boardroom.tv/atlantic-coast-...ant-of-rights/

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Sure thing, bud! Couldn't help but notice some Big 10 guys including you trashing the Big 12, so I figured a reality check was in order. Really too easy to do.

Over the past 25 years, the all powerful Big 10 has won exactly as many national titles as the Big 12 and quite a few less than the ACC. Over the history of the Big 12, the incredibly dominant, ultra prestigious Big 10 has won 51% of games against them. Truly a massive advantage!

Ohio State is the outlier but honestly the median Big 10 team is at the same level as the median Big 12 or ACC team.

Do have to hand it to the Big 10 though. They have added some once nationally-dominant brands that have been declining for some time but are deluded about it. Just great adds. Matches the conference's brand completely.

Interesting

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by mc1

Laughable. The Pac died because the B1G killed them by taking the LA market and then coming back for two other top brands. Once USC and UCLA left then it was game over. Everyone left was hoping to get a B1G invite, someday.

When Texas and OU left the Big 12 nobody that remained received any interest from any other conference. Nobody wanted Kansas, TCU or Texas Tech… They also benefitted from location. Good markets and good replacement options from the AAC. Which teams were available to the PAC? San Diego St, Fresno or Boise? That just wasnt going to cut it.

Have to laugh when you cheat death. Also have to laugh when Michigan lost to TCU or when those illustrious brands lost the Pac 10 to Utah the past 2 years. Utah, which is joining what conference again?

Every college football message board has been trashing and proclaiming the imminent death of the Big 12 for 15 years. That's what laughable.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Have to laugh when you cheat death. Also have to laugh when Michigan lost to TCU or when those illustrious brands lost the Pac 10 to Utah the past 2 years. Utah, which is joining what conference again?

Every college football message board has been trashing and proclaiming the imminent death of the Big 12 for 15 years. That's what laughable.

Only Big 12 homers would think they are anywhere close to the level of the Big Ten or SEC.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Have to laugh when you cheat death. Also have to laugh when Michigan lost to TCU or when those illustrious brands lost the Pac 10 to Utah the past 2 years. Utah, which is joining what conference again?

Every college football message board has been trashing and proclaiming the imminent death of the Big 12 for 15 years. That's what laughable.

I feel like you don’t know how math works

[mc1]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Have to laugh when you cheat death. Also have to laugh when Michigan lost to TCU or when those illustrious brands lost the Pac 10 to Utah the past 2 years. Utah, which is joining what conference again?

Every college football message board has been trashing and proclaiming the imminent death of the Big 12 for 15 years. That's what laughable.

Lost Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri. Colorado went back befause they had no choice. Replaced with inferior programs.

TCU got lucky and then got curb stomped by the big bad SEC. Wish they would have scored 100 on them.

Fact is there is the SEC and everyone else is in a pack far behind. The B1G has an advantage over the rest with their 65-70m per school media deal. The Big 12 isnt better than the B1G or ACC on the field. Just a fact.

[swerve]

Originally Posted by packman80

So read that there is a $32 million fee to pay to the MWC if a team would try to leave before the 2025 season and everyone is leaving the Pac-12 after this season leaving a possible 2024 season of only 4 teams in the Pac-12.

So now if only Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, and Washington State are left do they go the Independent route for a season then try to convince the MWC teams to come and reform the PAC-12 in 2025?

What leverage does the PAC have at this point? I don't believe any of these schools offer enough to draw interest from the big 4 conferences, especially given their geographical locations. No MWC is going to even consider that fee, that would be a losing endeavor. Their best bet, IMO, is just try to merge with the MWC. Sure, Stanford is good at non-revenue generating sports. Otherwise, none of these schools are consistently good. They no longer have anything near the LA market, etc...

[packman80]

Originally Posted by swerve

What leverage does the PAC have at this point? I don't believe any of these schools offer enough to draw interest from the big 4 conferences, especially given their geographical locations. No MWC is going to even consider that fee, that would be a losing endeavor. Their best bet, IMO, is just try to merge with the MWC. Sure, Stanford is good at non-revenue generating sports. Otherwise, none of these schools are consistently good. They no longer have anything near the LA market, etc...

ESPN brought up the remaining teams could join the MWC but the money they would lose is huge and no matter what there are going to be budget cuts at those schools and many sports could likely have to get cut which means scholarships lost and kids might have to drop out of school if they can't keep that scholarship.

[swerve]

Originally Posted by packman80

ESPN brought up the remaining teams could join the MWC but the money they would lose is huge and no matter what there are going to be budget cuts at those schools and many sports could likely have to get cut which means scholarships lost and kids might have to drop out of school if they can't keep that scholarship.

Unfortunate, but the money lost is a given. The PAC "brand" has nothing left.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Sure thing, bud! Couldn't help but notice some Big 10 guys including you trashing the Big 12, so I figured a reality check was in order. Really too easy to do.

Over the past 25 years, the all powerful Big 10 has won exactly as many national titles as the Big 12 and quite a few less than the ACC. Over the history of the Big 12, the incredibly dominant, ultra prestigious Big 10 has won 51% of games against them. Truly a massive advantage!

Ohio State is the outlier but honestly the median Big 10 team is at the same level as the median Big 12 or ACC team.

Do have to hand it to the Big 10 though. They have added some once nationally-dominant brands that have been declining for some time but are deluded about it. Just great adds. Matches the conference's brand completely.

Looking at the Current Big 12 in 2024, their last National title by a member was TCU in 1938. With Colorado joining, they will gain half a title from 1990. Current and future Big 10 teams have won or shared a National title 33 times in that time period. 33>2. The Big 12 is way below the Big 10.

The SEC is clearly #1, but the Big 10 is #2. The ACC has Clemson and FSU for now, but FSU has a foot out of the door and it is only a matter of time before those two join the SEC (or Big 10), leaving the ACC in the same place as the Big 12.

[jazz1232dc]

As a Utah guy I'm just happy we'll be playing the Holy War every year again. We're also surprisingly good with recruiting in Texas and this will only help us.

[Seahawks fan]

With the move will they still schedule the yearly rivalry games like Washington vs Washington State...or does the apple cup just die out?

Obviously these moves are done to chase more money/TV deals but that was one of the reasons why people supported college sports was because of Old Rivalries and greed/money wasn't the main goal. As of late that script has definitely flipped.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

With the move will they still schedule the yearly rivalry games like Washington vs Washington State...or does the apple cup just die out?

Obviously these moves are done to chase more money/TV deals but that was one of the reasons why people supported college sports was because of Old Rivalries and greed/money wasn't the main goal. As of late that script has definitely flipped.

If Washington State goes to say Big 12 I think it's done but if they go to the MWC I could see it still happen as one of their non-conference games.

[weeds73]

It is certainly sad to watch all of these college rivalries go to crap and disappear. Sure, The schools are getting more money from their TV contracts, but they’re going to reduce engagement with their alumni. I am a big 12 alumni. Given the realignment, there are a few games that I really care about anymore. If you are an alumnus from Missouri, Nebraska, Texas A&M, do you really feel better? Sure, your team has more money, but I just don’t see them being relevant at all in their conferences. Does anybody really see them competing for a championship in any major college sport anytime soon? While the conference is clearly weaker without Texas and Oklahoma, big 12 leadership has done a hell of a job maintaining relevance for the conference. We’ll see how Oklahoma in Texas enjoy being in the SEC. Something tells me they will regret that decision longer-term


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[jazz1232dc]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

With the move will they still schedule the yearly rivalry games like Washington vs Washington State...or does the apple cup just die out?

Obviously these moves are done to chase more money/TV deals but that was one of the reasons why people supported college sports was because of Old Rivalries and greed/money wasn't the main goal. As of late that script has definitely flipped.

When Utah joined the PAC-12 the rivalry game with BYU continued for a couple years, then there was a couple year break, and the past few years has only been played a couple more times. Future schedules for Utah didn't include BYU, but that will now change.

My guess is that the Apple Cup and the Civil War will follow the same pattern. Utah didn't want to schedule BYU every year because their conference schedule was a lot harder and they wanted a cupcake non conference schedule. I'm sure Washington or Oregon will want an easier non conference schedule now.

[Fenway55]

I think we are ultimately headed towards football having their own conferences and other sports reverting back to classic, regional-based conferences.

USC's closest road game - besides their cross town rival - will be 850 miles away in Eugene. When they travel east, the closest stop is about 1,500 miles away in Lincoln. They play 10 road games in basketball.

I just don't see it as feasible long term for the non-football sports.