I can't believe that PSA is encapsulating these custom cards - Page 2

pridedriven · 08-09-2023, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

You’re cute

Answer my NHL post above

What is your solution?

Simple, you don't authenticate something that isn't seen by the eyes of an employee. They can't be sure it's authentic, and this has been proven.

But that takes away a revenue stream, so it won't happen.

asujbl · 08-09-2023, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pridedriven

Simple, you don't authenticate something that isn't seen by the eyes of an employee. They can't be sure it's authentic, and this has been proven.

But that takes away a revenue stream, so it won't happen.

So close the company

That’s certainly an idea I suppose

Fenway55 · 08-09-2023, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

I don’t like you

That was easy

Well I don't give you a single thought whatsoever, but I am flattered at how much I am living rent free in your head.

Now that you have demonstrated you are not worth the time, enjoy being in my ignore file. All your future ranting and bitterness won't even be read.

asujbl · 08-09-2023, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

Well I don't give you a single thought whatsoever, but I am flattered at how much I am living rent free in your head.

Now that you have demonstrated you are not worth the time, enjoy being in my ignore file. All your future ranting and bitterness won't even be read.

Ditto

boxbuster7 · 08-09-2023, 04:52 PM

everybody stop arguing and report that seller

SDcardguy24 · 08-09-2023, 04:52 PM

That guy is annoying. I see him pop up in a lot of in person autograph groups on facebook looking for people attending games or events.

And the slabbed customs are nothing new but can't say I've seen any that straight up copied Panini designs.

jplarson · 08-09-2023, 04:59 PM

Setting PSA aside for the moment, the cards themselves are infringing on the copyright of whoever took the photo of the player (unless the argument is that the seller took all those photos themselves), team logos, and Panini logos (rookie card logo as noted above).

Seller is super shady. 51 feedback as a seller, with the customs sales feedback all within the last month. PLENTY of feedback as a buyer, curiously never leaves feedback for sellers.

I would bet money the seller does it to avoid showing the history of buying cheap cards to peel stickers off of to make these customs. One seller he purchased from put in the feedback "thank you for choosing to purchase the Sam Howell card from my eBay store". Searching that seller's sold cards yields one 2022 Leaf Valiant card sold for less than $25. I'm guessing it won't be long before that sticker winds up on some crazy $500 PSA/DNA "sticker" slab.

pridedriven · 08-09-2023, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

everybody stop arguing and report that seller

I did. I also pointed the listings out to my PSA sales rep. PSA is so big and gets so much stuff, I can see how these could be authenticated by PSA/DNA without upper management knowing, when they (theoretically) wouldn't approve of it.

boxbuster7 · 08-09-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pridedriven

I did. I also pointed the listings out to my PSA sales rep. PSA is so big and gets so much stuff, I can see how these could be authenticated by PSA/DNA without upper management knowing, when they (theoretically) wouldn't approve of it.

I'm all for people making money but this guy is a scumbag.

asujbl · 08-09-2023, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Setting PSA aside for the moment, the cards themselves are infringing on the copyright of whoever took the photo of the player (unless the argument is that the seller took all those photos themselves), team logos, and Panini logos (rookie card logo as noted above).

Seller is super shady. 51 feedback as a seller, with the customs sales feedback all within the last month. PLENTY of feedback as a buyer, curiously never leaves feedback for sellers.

I would bet money the seller does it to avoid showing the history of buying cheap cards to peel stickers off of to make these customs. One seller he purchased from put in the feedback "thank you for choosing to purchase the Sam Howell card from my eBay store". Searching that seller's sold cards yields one 2022 Leaf Valiant card sold for less than $25. I'm guessing it won't be long before that sticker winds up on some crazy $500 PSA/DNA "sticker" slab.

The original point I assume is still value though

What do you consider a “slab”

If you slab a fake card, with a real autograph, what is your exposure?

Again the picture itself is probably moot as I could print off an 8x10 of anything and get it signed… PSA isn’t deciding if my handmade jersey vs card vs poster is legal

As long as the auto is legit what should they do?

Seems like PSA/DNA got wrapped up in a seller issue

Seller knows he’s suckering in newbies

Fenway55 · 08-09-2023, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I'm all for people making money but this guy is a scumbag.

I’m all for people making an *honest* buck but that just isn’t happening here.

I wish the League/NFLPA went after these people for their trademark infringement.

jplarson · 08-09-2023, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

The original point I assume is still value though

What do you consider a “slab”

If you slab a fake card, with a real autograph, what is your exposure?

Again the picture itself is probably moot as I could print off an 8x10 of anything and get it signed… PSA isn’t deciding if my handmade jersey vs card vs poster is legal

As long as the auto is legit what should they do?

Seems like PSA/DNA got wrapped up in a seller issue

Seller knows he’s suckering in newbies

For sure, it's a legit question. To me this card is fraudulent. PSA is calling it a sticker and authenticating the sticker but anyone plainly looking at this thing would think it's a legit, licensed card. Making a part of the whole thing true is what sells the lie.

If I were PSA, I wouldn't go for this. There's a line between doing custom cards of friends/family that the depicted athlete signs for fun and what this situation is. I don't know where the line is, but this clearly crosses it.

pridedriven · 08-09-2023, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

For sure, it's a legit question. To me this card is fraudulent. PSA is calling it a sticker and authenticating the sticker but anyone plainly looking at this thing would think it's a legit, licensed card. Making a part of the whole thing true is what sells the lie.

If I were PSA, I wouldn't go for this. There's a line between doing custom cards of friends/family that the depicted athlete signs for fun and what this situation is. I don't know where the line is, but this clearly crosses it.

Couldn't have said it better.

Refreshing to see there are some members who have a reasonable thought process and can articulate it. That's not a knock on everyone else, just one person on this thread.

DaBears1985 · 08-09-2023, 05:32 PM

How does the seller get the Autos is what Im wondering

smanzari · 08-09-2023, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBears1985

How does the seller get the Autos is what Im wondering

I'd wager Leaf Cards since there's no hologram-ish effect going on and more than likely Leaf Metal as they come up pretty easily (and sometimes not on purpose!)

boxbuster7 · 08-09-2023, 05:55 PM

So that is who buys leaf cards! Pulling a leaf on leaf

hxcmilkshake · 08-09-2023, 06:11 PM

Why do alot of them say "sticker" instead of "trading card" he's making custom stickers??

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KhalDrogo · 08-09-2023, 06:12 PM

PSA isn’t obligated to slab these. And they shouldn’t be slabbing them.

pridedriven · 08-09-2023, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Why do alot of them say "sticker" instead of "trading card" he's making custom stickers??

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The ones that say "card" are signed on the card.

jplarson · 08-09-2023, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Why do alot of them say "sticker" instead of "trading card" he's making custom stickers??

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"Sticker" = autograph is on a sticker that is applied to something PSA cannot see.

"Card" = the thing PSA cannot see has been graced with ink. The ink may be adhered to something that is in quantum flux.

"Trading Card" = PSA peeked through their fingers and saw the Panini logo on the back of the card along with the autograph on front.

DaBears1985 · 08-09-2023, 06:49 PM

Meh

There are companies that have given people cancer. IE Monsanto

direct your anger towards them

some of us need to try to get more of a life outside cards

with that said, yes it looks bad on PSA's part.

no10pin · 08-09-2023, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBears1985

Meh

There are companies that have given people cancer. IE Monsanto

direct your anger towards them

some of us need to try to get more of a life outside cards

with that said, yes it looks bad on PSA's part.

I don't see anyone getting overly upset about it, just calling them out.

The notion that 'well, some people have cancer, so don't worry about this' could be applied to most anything.

Grid · 08-10-2023, 07:29 AM

For everyone clutching their pearls, as to why PSA would authenticate these. PSA is being paid for their opinion on the validity of the signature itself. Nothing more, nothing less. No, PSA does not have to witness a signature to render an opinion. This service is to get a professional third party opinion, based on metrics (size, slant, flow ETC) of the signature, when compared to their database of exemplaries.

PSA has zero obligation to report, or refuse service, items that may or may not have been illegally created. That is not what they are contracted to do. They are only authenticating the signature.

If PSA were to bust on any bootleg stuff that was signed, 95% of signed jerseys would be rejected. Most all of those are bootleg. Plus countless photos that were printed out without any royalties paid.

For sure, its a scumbag move by the seller. As they are just slabbing these, for the same reason patch fakers slab their swapped jersey cards. But it still has nothing to do with PSA.

Fenway55 · 08-10-2023, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBears1985

Meh

There are companies that have given people cancer. IE Monsanto

direct your anger towards them

some of us need to try to get more of a life outside cards

You are not necessarily wrong, but that sure is a strange comment to make on.... well, on a sportscards forum....

PrimeTimeScott · 08-10-2023, 08:29 AM

If PSA uses a green label for custom cards, why not use a different color for Authentic Signature cards? It seems to me that would solve this. By using the traditional label, one can more easily be conned into buying one unknowingly (if they don't look closely at the label). I bet this seller wouldn't sell any of these if the label were obviously different from the traditional label.

08-09-2023, 04:52 PM	#30
boxbuster7 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 12,734 boxbuster777	everybody stop arguing and report that seller __________________ Psa 9 > psa 10

08-09-2023, 05:55 PM	#41
boxbuster7 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 12,734 boxbuster777	So that is who buys leaf cards! Pulling a leaf on leaf __________________ Psa 9 > psa 10

08-09-2023, 06:12 PM	#43
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,321	PSA isn’t obligated to slab these. And they shouldn’t be slabbing them. __________________ I love PSA!

08-10-2023, 08:29 AM	#50
PrimeTimeScott Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,063	If PSA uses a green label for custom cards, why not use a different color for Authentic Signature cards? It seems to me that would solve this. By using the traditional label, one can more easily be conned into buying one unknowingly (if they don't look closely at the label). I bet this seller wouldn't sell any of these if the label were obviously different from the traditional label. __________________ Collecting Eddie Royal cards http://www.hobbydisplay.com/PrimeTimeScott/collection/

08-09-2023, 04:52 PM	#31
SDcardguy24 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9,262	That guy is annoying. I see him pop up in a lot of in person autograph groups on facebook looking for people attending games or events. And the slabbed customs are nothing new but can't say I've seen any that straight up copied Panini designs.

08-09-2023, 04:59 PM	#32
jplarson Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,578	Setting PSA aside for the moment, the cards themselves are infringing on the copyright of whoever took the photo of the player (unless the argument is that the seller took all those photos themselves), team logos, and Panini logos (rookie card logo as noted above). Seller is super shady. 51 feedback as a seller, with the customs sales feedback all within the last month. PLENTY of feedback as a buyer, curiously never leaves feedback for sellers. I would bet money the seller does it to avoid showing the history of buying cheap cards to peel stickers off of to make these customs. One seller he purchased from put in the feedback "thank you for choosing to purchase the Sam Howell card from my eBay store". Searching that seller's sold cards yields one 2022 Leaf Valiant card sold for less than $25. I'm guessing it won't be long before that sticker winds up on some crazy $500 PSA/DNA "sticker" slab.

08-09-2023, 05:32 PM	#39
DaBears1985 Banned Join Date: Jan 2023 Posts: 465	How does the seller get the Autos is what Im wondering

08-09-2023, 06:11 PM	#42
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,508 hxcmilkshake	Why do alot of them say "sticker" instead of "trading card" he's making custom stickers?? Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

08-09-2023, 06:49 PM	#46
DaBears1985 Banned Join Date: Jan 2023 Posts: 465	Meh There are companies that have given people cancer. IE Monsanto direct your anger towards them some of us need to try to get more of a life outside cards with that said, yes it looks bad on PSA's part.

08-10-2023, 07:29 AM	#48
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,113 Gridiron-Gladiators	For everyone clutching their pearls, as to why PSA would authenticate these. PSA is being paid for their opinion on the validity of the signature itself. Nothing more, nothing less. No, PSA does not have to witness a signature to render an opinion. This service is to get a professional third party opinion, based on metrics (size, slant, flow ETC) of the signature, when compared to their database of exemplaries. PSA has zero obligation to report, or refuse service, items that may or may not have been illegally created. That is not what they are contracted to do. They are only authenticating the signature. If PSA were to bust on any bootleg stuff that was signed, 95% of signed jerseys would be rejected. Most all of those are bootleg. Plus countless photos that were printed out without any royalties paid. For sure, its a scumbag move by the seller. As they are just slabbing these, for the same reason patch fakers slab their swapped jersey cards. But it still has nothing to do with PSA.