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Old 09-06-2023, 01:19 PM   #26
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I'll take 66. 2004 Mega Cracks Barca Campeon #89 Lionel Messi PSA 8 5368 - $600
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Old 09-06-2023, 03:49 PM   #27
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17. 2017 Topps Update #US50 Cody Bellinger Rainbow Foil PSA 9 *4952 - $10

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Old 09-06-2023, 05:56 PM   #28
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Hi, I’ll take the following please:

93 - 94 - 97 - 98 - 99
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Old 09-07-2023, 06:35 PM   #29
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$25 dlvd for #73, 103, 111?
Sorry, will pass on this as 73 was claimed.

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#76 luka
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#75 to start
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#69 luka
Marked to you.

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ill also take #78

Can you do $80 for #69?
Sorry, both of these were claimed.

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17. 2017 Topps Update #US50 Cody Bellinger Rainbow Foil PSA 9 *4952 - $10

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I will mark them both for you. Thanks.

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Hi, I’ll take the following please:

93 - 94 - 97 - 98 - 99
You got them.

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Sorry for the late drop today. I had a bit of a hectic day as my puppy needed to have a procedure. Here is the drop for today. I will try and get another one out tomorrow morning/afternoon. Thanks as always.

DROP 3

112. 2018 Chronicles #90 Stephen Curry Platinum 1/1 PSA 9 0314 - A true Curry 1/1 - $1100


113. 1998 Topps Chrome #154 Dirk Nowitzki PSA 9 DNA 10 8478 - There aren't many graded examples of Dirk's TC RC signed. This one is a POP 7 in PSA 9 and there are none higher. - $900


114. 2004 Mega Cracks Barca Campeon #89 Lionel Messi RC PSA 7 *1973 - $400 **SOLD TO SVGbreaks**


115. 2017 Essentials License To Dominate #30 Stephen Curry PSA 10 2311 - A very tough insert. A true case hit and only POP 4 in PSA 10 - $375


116. 1961 Fleer #12 Wayne Embrey PSA 9 OC 4630 - HOF RC on the cheap. You can make an argument that the OC qualifier is a bit harsh on this one as the centering isn't that far off compared to a lot of examples from this set. A very sharp card with some centering issues. - $150


117. 2019 Donruss Optic Winner Stays Gold Wave #10 Lebron James PSA 10 0312 - $125


118. 2009 Topps Gold #42 Lebron James /2009 BGS 8.5 9588 - $100 **SOLD TO redsfan3**


119. 1996 Metal 205 Steve Nash PSA 10 6429 - Pretty tough to gem these. Only 28 PSA 10's graded up until now. Right around 1 PSA 10 per year for the 2x MVP - $100


120. 2013 Prizm #45 Kevin Durant Monster Box Red White Blue Prizm PSA 10 *1168 - I think these early year Prizm colors will be collectible down the road. - $80


121. 2005 Topps 220 Tracy McGrady 1st Edition PSA 10 *9337 - POP 1 card - $45


122. 2018 Donruss Optic #94 Lebron James PSA 10 9599 - $25


123. 2007 Topps #112 Kevin Durant PSA 7 *9729 - $15
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124. 2004 SP Authentic #14 LeBron James PSA 8 Nm-Mt *3855 - $8 **SOLD TO audmill**


125. 2017 Panini Prizm #109 John Collins PSA 9 6716 - $3 **SOLD TO SVGbreaks**


126. 2003 Topps Chrome Tim Duncan Black Refractor /500 - $60 **SOLD TO SVGbreaks**


127. 2007 Topps Gold #24 Kobe Bryant 57-58 Variation /2007 - Very condition sensitive card. - $35 **SOLD TO hughesolinho**


These stickers are all in very sharp condition. The main issue would be the centering on the Magic. All the stickers have a bit of an angled cut on the top border. If you look at graded examples, it is fairly common with this set. No wax stains on any.
128. 1986 Fleer Sticker Adrian Dantley - $15
129. 1986 Fleer Sticker Alex English - $15
130. 1986 Fleer Sticker Magic Johnson - $20 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**



Beyond the centering and the cut, the Olajuwon corners show wear and the Isiah has a small black mark on the right border. No wax stains on any.
131. 1986 Fleer Sticker Akeem Olajuwon RC - $20
132. 1986 Fleer Sticker Isiah Thomas RC - $12 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**
133. 1986 Fleer Sticker Dominique Wilkins RC - $20 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**



Some nice Curry inserts
134. 2018 Certified The Mighty TM-4 Stephen Curry - $12
135. 2019 Donruss Crunch Time #12 Stephen Curry Press Proof- $18 **SOLD TO hughesolinho**


Everything below is the Dollar Box section. So again, for every $12 spent on dollar box items you pay $10. All cards regardless of price below qualify for the discount and the claims will carry over from today through the end of the sale for the purpose of the discounts.

136. 2015 Prestige Karl Anthony Towns RC Blue /99 - $10
137. 2015 Prestige Karl Anthony Towns RC Red /199 - $5
138. 2015 Prestige Karl Anthony Towns RC Blue /99 - $10
139. 2015 Replay Karl Anthony Towns RC /99 - $5
140. 2015 Hoops Karl Anthony Towns RC Blue /399 - $10
141. 2015 Threads Karl Anthony Towns RC Red /99 - $10


142. 2003 Upper Deck #304 Chris Bosh RC - $3
143. 2003 Upper Deck Hardcourt Futures #129 Chris Bosh RC /799 - $4
144. 2005 Topps Chrome #80 Chris Bosh Black Refractor /399 - $12



145. 2019 Mosaic Stephen Curry - $1
146. 2019 Mosaic #260 Stephen Curry USA - $1
147. 2019 Mosaic Stephen Curry MVPs - $1


148. 2018 Revolution Supernova Kevin Durant Impact - $5
149. 2018 Optic My Heart Kevin Durant Holo - $1
150. 2018 Optic My Heart Kevin Durant Holo - $1
151. 2018 Prizm All Day Kevin Durant Silver Prizm - $1
152. 2018 Prizm Get Hyped Kevin Durant Silver Prizm - $1
153. 2018 Prizm Get Hyped Kevin Durant Silver Prizm - $1


154. 2012 Panini Draymond Green RC - $2 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
155. 2012 Panini Draymond Green RC - $4


156. 1996 Topps Michael Jordan - $3
157. 1997 Topps Michael Jordan -$2
158. 1996 EX Michael Jordan - This one has a soft upper corner (discounted accordingly). Still one of his best looking base cards ever. - $20 **SOLD TO Cavs16**


159. 2014 Hoops Lebron James -$1
160. Upper Deck Lebron James -$1 **SOLD TO Cavs16**
161. Trademark Moves Lebron James -$1 **SOLD TO Cavs16**
162. Highlights Lebron James -$1
163. Classics Lebron James -$1
164. Absolute Lebron James -$1 **SOLD TO Cavs16**


165. 2019 Chronicles R&S Zion Williamson RC -$2
166. 2019 Chronicles Panini Zion Williamson RC -$2
167. 2019 Chronicles Panini Zion Williamson RC -$2
168. 2019 Chronicles Essentials Zion Williamson RC -$2
169. 2019 Chronicles Prestige Zion Williamson RC -$2
170. 2019 Chronicles Prestige Zion Williamson RC -$2
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Old 09-07-2023, 06:42 PM   #30
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Old 09-07-2023, 06:48 PM   #31
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ill take the #114 (messi)
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Old 09-07-2023, 06:50 PM   #32
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also 125 and 126
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124. 2004 SP Authentic #14 LeBron James PSA 8 Nm-Mt *3855 - $8
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Old 09-07-2023, 07:02 PM   #34
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158 here please
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Old 09-07-2023, 07:06 PM   #35
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Please add 160, 161, 164
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:59 PM   #36
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I’ll add 80 - Tim Duncan ex RC to the #23 Kobe ex base claimed yesterday. Thanks!
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Old 09-07-2023, 09:02 PM   #37
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Old 09-07-2023, 09:56 PM   #39
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Will you do $320 shipped for 8, 11 and 118?

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Old 09-07-2023, 09:57 PM   #40
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Will you do $55 delivered for these two?

79. 2007 Topps Triple Threads #24 Kobe Bryant Red /333 - $25
127. 2007 Topps Gold #24 Kobe Bryant 57-58 Variation /2007 - Very condition sensitive card. - $35
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Damn, I missed a few nice Luka RCs - damn work trip. Next Time! Thanks again Steve
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127 and 135
You got them. Thanks.

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ill take the #114 (messi)
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also 125 and 126
Excellent choices! Marked all three for you. Thank you.

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158 here please
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Please add 160, 161, 164
Got them!

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I’ll add 80 - Tim Duncan ex RC to the #23 Kobe ex base claimed yesterday. Thanks!
Updated both of these for you. Thank you!

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Will you do $320 shipped for 8, 11 and 118?

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Will you do $55 delivered for these two?

79. 2007 Topps Triple Threads #24 Kobe Bryant Red /333 - $25
127. 2007 Topps Gold #24 Kobe Bryant 57-58 Variation /2007 - Very condition sensitive card. - $35
Sorry the 127 has been sold. I am probably gonna hang tight at $25 for the Triple Threads Kobe. Let me know if you want it. Thanks either way.

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Another big one for you. I will mark these claims for you. Thanks!

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Damn, I missed a few nice Luka RCs - damn work trip. Next Time! Thanks again Steve
Hey, good to see you. Still another nice Luka or two to come. Don't give up yet!


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Ok, just a little housekeeping. Here are the tab Totals through Drop 3 below. And then below that we have Drop 4. I will probably have one last drop Saturday and then send out tabs for payment Sat/Sun and ship out on Monday. Please check your tabs and if you see any errors just let me know. Thanks again everyone.

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TOTAL TABS

**SOLD TO audmill**
17. 2017 Topps Update #US50 Cody Bellinger Rainbow Foil PSA 9 *4952 - $10 **SOLD TO audmill**
124. 2004 SP Authentic #14 LeBron James PSA 8 Nm-Mt *3855 - $8 **SOLD TO audmill**

**SOLD TO Bloxson**
66. 2004 Mega Cracks Barca Campeon #89 Lionel Messi PSA 8 5368 - $600 **SOLD TO Bloxson**

**SOLD TO camdendad4439**
2. 1975 Topps #219 Seattle Supersonics Checklist Bill Russell Auto PSA 6 DNA 9 6138 - $1000 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
12. 1986 Fleer #13 Sam Bowie PSA 9 *6191 - $60 *SOLD TO camdendad4439**
15. 1986 Fleer Sticker #6 Patrick Ewing RC PSA 7 *8554 - $30 *SOLD TO camdendad4439**
21. 2018 Chronicles Essentials #214 Luka Doncic RC Green - $35 *SOLD TO camdendad4439**
65. 1996 Topps NBA Stars #8 Bird Erving Magic '80 Reprint Auto PSA Auth DNA 10 - A perfectly rated auto grade for this triple signed beauty. - $850
73. 1997 Flair Showcase #1 Michael Jordan Row 2 PSA 8 *5924 - $25 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
74. 2019 Bowman Chrome #CPAGP Geraldo Perdomo Auto PSA 10 9312 - $25 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
77. 2012 Topps Supreme #SRA-AL Andrew Luck RC On Card Auto Blue /50 - $50 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
78. 2011 Topps Chrome Tom Brady Orange Refractor - $35 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
130. 1986 Fleer Sticker Magic Johnson - $20 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
133. 1986 Fleer Sticker Dominique Wilkins RC - $20 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**

**SOLD TO hughesolinho**
22. 2015 Court Kings Portraits Karl Anthony Towns RC Ruby /100 - $20 *SOLD TO hughesolinho**
127. 2007 Topps Gold #24 Kobe Bryant 57-58 Variation /2007 - $35 **SOLD TO hughesolinho**
135. 2019 Donruss Crunch Time #12 Stephen Curry Press Proof- $18 **SOLD TO hughesolinho**

**SOLD TO mikemcnair71**
19. 2004 SP Authentic #14 LeBron James PSA 8 Nm-Mt *3854 - $8 **SOLD TO mikemcnair71**
20. 2017 Panini Prizm #109 John Collins PSA 9 6717 - $3 **SOLD TO mikemcnair71**

**SOLD TO Nauticamc2**
7. 2004 Ultra Gold Medallion #114 Lebron James BGS 9.5 6929 - $225 **SOLD TO Nauticamc2**

*SOLD TO pch_1427**
13. 2006 SP Authentic #13 Lebron James PSA 10 *6108 - $36 **SOLD TO pch_1427**
76. 2018 Chronicles #111 Luka Doncic Purple /49 RC - $80 **SOLD TO pch_1427**
69. 2018 Chronicles Elite Black Box #317 Luka Doncic Blue /99 PSA 8 *0328 - $100 **SOLD TO pch_1427**

**SOLD TO redsfan3**
8. 2009 Topps Gold #123 Kobe Bryant /2009 PSA 9 9568 - $175 **SOLD TO redsfan3**
11. 1998 Topps Chrome Preview #77 Michael Jordan PSA 8 *9721 - $70 **SOLD TO redsfan3**
118. 2009 Topps Gold #42 Lebron James /2009 BGS 8.5 9588 - $100 **SOLD TO redsfan3**

**SOLD TO SVGbreaks**
75. 2019 Hoops #258 Zion Williamson PSA 9 9513 - $6 ****SOLD TO SVGbreaks**
114. 2004 Mega Cracks Barca Campeon #89 Lionel Messi RC PSA 7 *1973 - $400 **SOLD TO SVGbreaks**
125. 2017 Panini Prizm #109 John Collins PSA 9 6716 - $3 **SOLD TO SVGbreaks**
126. 2003 Topps Chrome Tim Duncan Black Refractor /500 - $60 **SOLD TO SVGbreaks**

**SOLD TO TheFranchise**
23. 2006 Fleer E-X #17 Kobe Bryant - $20 **SOLD TO TheFranchise**
80. 2007 E-X Tim Duncan RC - $12

**SOLD TO Tyler Durden**
16. 2019 Prizm #255 Rui Hachimura Ball Ruby Wave Prizm PSA 10 *9534 - $20 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**


DOLLAR BOX TABS

**SOLD TO audmill**
27. 2022 Bowman 1st Edition Aeverson Arteaga 1st Bowman Yellow Foil /75 Giants - $5 **SOLD TO audmill**

**SOLD TO camdendad4439**
154. 2012 Panini Draymond Green RC - $2 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**

**SOLD TO Cavs16**
158. 1996 EX Michael Jordan - $20 **SOLD TO Cavs16**
160. Upper Deck Lebron James -$1 **SOLD TO Cavs16**
161. Trademark Moves Lebron James -$1 **SOLD TO Cavs16**
164. Absolute Lebron James -$1 **SOLD TO Cavs16**

**SOLD TO jets10**
93. 2018 Prizm DeAndre Ayton Red Ice RC - $4 **SOLD TO jets10**
94. 2018 Prizm DeAndre Ayton Red White & Blue RC - $2 **SOLD TO jets10**
97. 2018 Prizm Gary Trent Jr Purple Wave Prizm RC - $2 **SOLD TO jets10**
98. 2018 Prizm Bruce Brown Silver Prizm RC - $2 **SOLD TO jets10**
99. 2018 Prizm Shai Gilgeous Alexander Red White Blue Prizm RC - $8 **SOLD TO jets10**

**SOLD TO Tyler Durden**
30. 2019 Hoops Premium Stock Courtside Stephen Curry Blue Prizm - $5 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**
31. 2016 Optic All Stars Kevin Durant Holo - $2 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**
32. 2016 Optic Court Kings Kevin Durant Holo - $1.50 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**
33. 2017 Revolution Kevin Durant Infinite - $4 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**



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DROP 4

171. 2004 Mega Cracks Barca Campio #62 Lionel Messi PSA 8 2442 - This is the rarer Campio version (versus the Campeon). There is not a big price premium for Campio or Campeon currently, but someday when the pop reports shake out, the Campio is the rarer of the two versions. - $675


172. 2018 Chronicles Essentials #214 Luka Doncic Blue /99 PSA 9 0262 - A card I am loathe to put up. One of his best looking RC designs and blue color match to 99 to boot. - $300


173. 2002 Topps #25 Kobe Bryant Black PSA 7 *6438 - These flagship black cards are incredibly condition sensitive. They have the black borders and are also thicker cards. As of now, this is a POP 2 in grade PSA 7, with 2 more PSA 8's and nothing higher than that. - $125


174. 2012 Crusade Prizm #177 Stephen Curry Red & Gold /99 PSA 9 2083 - The Crusade Prizm set from 2012 is one of the best looking sets Panini ever made. I don't know if Crusade or Prizm was released first, but if Crusade was, this could be the first time Panini incorporated their "Prizm" technology into a chrome card. Either way, a beautiful card in hand and serial numbered to /99 - $90 **SOLD TO hughesolinho**


175. 2012 Panini Hoops Taco Bell #41 Anthony Davis PSA 9 *5992 - A relatively hard card to track down. - $45 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**


176. 2015 Panini Prizm USA Basketball 9 Kevin Durant PSA 10 6502 -$30


We have officially hit the cheap gem slab portion of the sale, lol.

177. 2019 Chronicles #78 Zion Williamson Pink PSA 10 0709 - $15


178. 2019 Optic #172 Tyler Herro PSA 10 *0688 - $12 **SOLD TO audmill**


179. 2017 Prizm Luck of the Lottery #JJA Josh Jackson Hyper Prizm PSA 10 2334 - SP Case hit insert. Anybody building this set? - $10


180. 2018 Bowman Draft #BD6 Jarred Kelenic PSA 10 *4684 - $10


181. 2017 Panini Prizm #109 John Collins PSA 10 *8356 - $8 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**


182. 2015 Prizm White Sparkle Chris Paul - A SSP card and the first time the White Sparkle design was introduced. This card is also in really good shape. - $60


183. 2018 Chronicles Playoff #183 Luka Doncic RC - $15


184. 2018 Topps Heritage Deckle Edge Aaron Judge -$7
185. 2014 Topps Update Mookie Betts RC - Looking to add another MVP this season. Card is really sharp, it just has a small nick on the upper edge. Still a nice raw card. Discounted accordingly. - $30 **SOLD TO hughesolinho**


Some very looking jersey cards.
186. 2015 Absolute Tools of the Trade Karl Anthony Towns Jersey /49 - $15
187. 2015 Absolute Tools of the Trade Karl Anthony Towns Jersey /49 - $15
188. 2015 Gala Coming Attractions Karl Anthony Towns Jersey /40 - $15


189. 2003 Upper Deck Phenomenal Beginnings Lebron James #1 - $9
190. 2003 Upper Deck Phenomenal Beginnings Lebron James #2 - $9
191. 2003 Upper Deck Phenomenal Beginnings Lebron James #14 - $9
192. 2003 Upper Deck Phenomenal Beginnings Lebron James #20 - $9


193. 2021 Bowman Sterling #BSPA-KA Kevin Alcantara Auto - $10 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**


Everything below is the Dollar Box section. So again, for every $12 spent on dollar box items you pay $10. All cards regardless of price below qualify for the discount and the claims will carry over from today through the end of the sale for the purpose of the discounts.

Both of these cards have light surface issues. Fairly common with 2007 TC Refractors. Not really scratches, but just what looks like factory problems. Can only see them really well if you start tilting the cards a certain way. Still excellent eye appeal cards if your plan is not to grade them. Priced accordingly.
194. 2007 Topps Chrome Refractor Al Horford RC - $8 **SOLD TO jets10**
195. 2007 Topps Chrome Refractor Dwyane Wade - $20 **SOLD TO art vandalay**


196. 2004 Topps Chrome Refractor Pau Gasol - $4
197. 2004 Topps Chrome Black Refractor Pau Gasol /500 - $12


198. 2018 Revolution Tim Hardaway Galactic - $8 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**


199. 2017 Prim Omer Asik Neon Green 1/5 - Any Omer Asik PC's out there? Well here something that you won't see pop up too often. - $5


200. 2012 Panini Brilliance Jimmy Butler RC - $4 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
201. 2012 Panini Jimmu Butler RC - $3 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
202.2014 Donruss The Rookie Zach Lavine RC - $1
203. 2008 Fleer Russell Westbrook 86 Fleer Retro RC - $5 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**


We will go off the beaten path with some vintage non-sports. Cards are in nice shape and well centered for being 55+ years old.
204. 1966 Topps Batman Blue Bat To Robin's Rescue - $5 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
205. 1966 Topps Batman Blue Bat The Penguin's Prey - $5 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**
206. 1966 Topps Batman Blue Bat Prehistoric Peril - $5 **SOLD TO camdendad4439**


207. 2016 Crusade Prizm Ben Simmons RC - $1
208. 2016 Excalibur Brandon Ingram RC - $1
209. 2014 Threads Zach Lavine RC - $1 **SOLD TO Tyler Durden**


210. 2012 Panini Stephen Curry - $2
211. 2018 Revolution Stephen Curry - $4
212. Revolution Vortex Stephen Curry - $4


213. 2016 Optic Court Kings Stephen Curry - $1
214. 2017 Optic All Stars Stephen Curry - $1
215. 2019 Mosaic #260 Stephen Curry USA - $1
216. 2019 Mosaic Will To Win Stephen Curry - $1
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I will add 194 & 200 please.
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