1996 Topps Chrome Refractor Indians Team Set

Middies31985 · 12-17-2023, 09:25 PM

I am building the 1996 Topps Chrome Refractor Indians set. Still need Murray and Baerga, but my question is this... When finished would you grade so they are slabbed or just put them in the one touches that come with a sleeve?

PSA or CGC would be the only option for grading. I've always felt these look awful in SGC slabs.

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ThoseBackPages · 12-17-2023, 09:37 PM

absolutely slab them!

DynaEtch · 12-17-2023, 09:53 PM

If it were me personally....definitely not slabbing them, and probably would do something like the one-touch route. Then again I couldnt care less about grading. My focus is on the cards, not slabs/labels.

It might depend on what your plans are with them. If they are just for a personal collection, dont see much a reason to slab them. If anything it would get to my OCD in that the grades will probably vary (7s, 8s, 9s, whatever) making the set more heterogeneous in appearance than just a set of refractors in toploaders or one touches. If, on, the other hand the plan is to sell them, or hold them and sell down the road, might be worth to do a cost/benefit analysis of grading them, and if it's profitable....slab them. Im not sure if it matters that much or not if a common or semi-star refractor from this set is a 9 or 10, not being a baseball collector.

BBases31 · 12-17-2023, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Middies31985

I am building the 1996 Topps Chrome Refractor Indians set. Still need Murray and Baerga, but my question is this... When finished would you grade so they are slabbed or just put them in the one touches that come with a sleeve?

PSA or CGC would be the only option for grading. I've always felt these look awful in SGC slabs.

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I don't really get the point of paying a bunch of money to get a grade for a personal set. Seems like lighting money on fire for no purpose and I personally think cards look worse in grading cases. Too much plastic. Nerds love plastic though

tkraft24 · 12-17-2023, 11:29 PM

My 96 TC team set is in a binder, haha. Slabbing isn't my thing at all so I could never justify the cost for grading those. It's completely a personal preference though.

Another thing to think about beforehand is if you'll be good with a mixed grade team set. I can't imagine all will grade the same.

RustyDawg37 · 12-18-2023, 07:53 AM

its not our cards to decide

f2tornado · 12-18-2023, 10:07 AM

I slabbed my 1995 Green Bay Packers Finest Refractor team set with PSA but that was back in the day of $10 grading. I slabbed my 1998 Finest Clemente Refractor set with BGS many years ago when grading was like $6 and I'm not a fan of the mixed color flips.

I'd be a lot more hesitant doing the same these days at $20 a pop.

Bunny Hop · 12-18-2023, 10:11 AM

You can always put them in one-touches for now and see how you feel about the whole thing down the line. Once they're slabbed that's it for choices.

Middies31985 · 12-18-2023, 07:44 PM

Thanks for the input... Now I have a new dilemma...

Purchased the Ramirez a few weeks ago and then I noticed this popped up...

These certainly seem like the same exact image being used by the seller. I questioned the Jose Mesa that I received from this seller because it definitely isn't the same card that was in the listing... So now I am questioning the Ramirez and Lofton.

Although both do look centered pretty well, it's frustrating seeing a seller use what appears to be the same picture for listings.

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Middies31985 · 12-18-2023, 07:46 PM

Attached the Mesa... Am I wrong in thinking the card I received is not the card in the listing?

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itsbaytime · 12-18-2023, 09:14 PM

I got cards from this seller that have the same problem. I just contacted him to see what's up. I also think these cards are possibly sheet cut or trimmed and upon checking out his active and completed items I see he is selling all his higher dollar raw cards as lots now, which raises a whole new set of suspicions. Anyone else have any experience with this seller?

Middies31985 · 12-19-2023, 02:29 PM

I'm eating to reach out to him as well then. Don't like hearing that.

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3124508 on COMC · 12-19-2023, 03:18 PM

They’re sheet cut.

3124508 on COMC · 12-19-2023, 03:20 PM

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petesahuttt · 12-20-2023, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Middies31985

I am building the 1996 Topps Chrome Refractor Indians set. Still need Murray and Baerga, but my question is this... When finished would you grade so they are slabbed or just put them in the one touches that come with a sleeve?

PSA or CGC would be the only option for grading. I've always felt these look awful in SGC slabs.

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For the cost of grading you could probably buy the '97 refractor Indians cards too

Middies31985 · 12-20-2023, 09:29 PM

Ended up sending them back for a refund. Didn't deny the trimming and use of same pics. Just told me that he would offer a partial refund if I wanted to keep them and said "some of these cards being graded by PSA". Offered full refund and I took it.

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MSU Bulldogs · 12-21-2023, 09:41 AM

It would absolutely drive me nuts if I were to have them slabbed and they were not graded with the same numerical number, but that's just my OCD.

12-17-2023, 09:25 PM	#1
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	1996 Topps Chrome Refractor Indians Team Set I am building the 1996 Topps Chrome Refractor Indians set. Still need Murray and Baerga, but my question is this... When finished would you grade so they are slabbed or just put them in the one touches that come with a sleeve? PSA or CGC would be the only option for grading. I've always felt these look awful in SGC slabs. Sent from my SM-G991U1 using Tapatalk

12-17-2023, 09:37 PM	#2
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,329 ThoseBackPages	absolutely slab them! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

12-17-2023, 09:53 PM	#3
DynaEtch Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 9,645	If it were me personally....definitely not slabbing them, and probably would do something like the one-touch route. Then again I couldnt care less about grading. My focus is on the cards, not slabs/labels. It might depend on what your plans are with them. If they are just for a personal collection, dont see much a reason to slab them. If anything it would get to my OCD in that the grades will probably vary (7s, 8s, 9s, whatever) making the set more heterogeneous in appearance than just a set of refractors in toploaders or one touches. If, on, the other hand the plan is to sell them, or hold them and sell down the road, might be worth to do a cost/benefit analysis of grading them, and if it's profitable....slab them. Im not sure if it matters that much or not if a common or semi-star refractor from this set is a 9 or 10, not being a baseball collector. __________________ ~~~ '90s trading cards === Golden Era ~~~

12-17-2023, 11:29 PM	#5
tkraft24 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 7,038 tkinctown tkraft24	My 96 TC team set is in a binder, haha. Slabbing isn't my thing at all so I could never justify the cost for grading those. It's completely a personal preference though. Another thing to think about beforehand is if you'll be good with a mixed grade team set. I can't imagine all will grade the same. __________________ PC: Cleveland Indians AU, GU, and Refractors Refractor Wants: https://shinycardboard.weebly.com/

12-18-2023, 07:53 AM	#6
RustyDawg37 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,049 rusty371	its not our cards to decide __________________ Football Set Needs Below: Turkey Red, Magic, Mayo, Gridiron Kings, Refractors, Topps Gold https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i7C-OoiAGOh9ZYdJsyC4uq7OfRuZNlOD3kf5d1MDqJg/edit?usp=sharing IG: rustyshobbies

12-18-2023, 10:07 AM	#7
f2tornado Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 2,336 f2tornado f2tornado	I slabbed my 1995 Green Bay Packers Finest Refractor team set with PSA but that was back in the day of $10 grading. I slabbed my 1998 Finest Clemente Refractor set with BGS many years ago when grading was like $6 and I'm not a fan of the mixed color flips. I'd be a lot more hesitant doing the same these days at $20 a pop.

12-18-2023, 10:11 AM	#8
Bunny Hop Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Big City Posts: 1,821	You can always put them in one-touches for now and see how you feel about the whole thing down the line. Once they're slabbed that's it for choices.

12-18-2023, 07:44 PM	#9
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	Thanks for the input... Now I have a new dilemma... Purchased the Ramirez a few weeks ago and then I noticed this popped up... These certainly seem like the same exact image being used by the seller. I questioned the Jose Mesa that I received from this seller because it definitely isn't the same card that was in the listing... So now I am questioning the Ramirez and Lofton. Although both do look centered pretty well, it's frustrating seeing a seller use what appears to be the same picture for listings. Sent from my SM-G991U1 using Tapatalk

12-18-2023, 07:46 PM	#10
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	Attached the Mesa... Am I wrong in thinking the card I received is not the card in the listing? Sent from my SM-G991U1 using Tapatalk

12-18-2023, 09:14 PM	#11
itsbaytime Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 762	I got cards from this seller that have the same problem. I just contacted him to see what's up. I also think these cards are possibly sheet cut or trimmed and upon checking out his active and completed items I see he is selling all his higher dollar raw cards as lots now, which raises a whole new set of suspicions. Anyone else have any experience with this seller? Last edited by itsbaytime; 12-18-2023 at 09:23 PM.

12-19-2023, 02:29 PM	#12
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	I'm eating to reach out to him as well then. Don't like hearing that. Sent from my SM-G991U1 using Tapatalk

12-19-2023, 03:18 PM	#13
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	They’re sheet cut. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

12-19-2023, 03:20 PM	#14
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,401	Further reading: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1572661 https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=2338500 https://forums.collectors.com/discus...sports-on-ebay https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=15476035 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1548679 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=18907131 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1560164 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=898 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

12-20-2023, 09:29 PM	#16
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	Ended up sending them back for a refund. Didn't deny the trimming and use of same pics. Just told me that he would offer a partial refund if I wanted to keep them and said "some of these cards being graded by PSA". Offered full refund and I took it. Sent from my SM-G991U1 using Tapatalk

12-21-2023, 09:41 AM	#17
MSU Bulldogs Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: San Antonio Posts: 969	It would absolutely drive me nuts if I were to have them slabbed and they were not graded with the same numerical number, but that's just my OCD.