2024 Bowman's Best release date

[CTSportsboy57]

My LCS had these for $410 despite Topps selling for $320. I passed on that and just bought 3 loose packs. I'm quitting while ahead

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[Stech36]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Ummmm…with the super, you’ll be ahead without grading. I bet it goes for around $2500 by itself. /25 dual of Gunnar/ Holliday from last year went on bid for $590, so that’s why I think you should get around $2k for this. You’d just need another couple hundred and done. Congrats on that super!

It might! In April the 2023 Sterling dual psa 10 did $1,036, but that isn’t a rookie so I am hopeful it goes for closer to the $2k you projected.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

450 dollars.

Amazing

....and BB never really sells well on secondary. Crazy, but, it's where we are at.

[Bob Ross]

Well, I finally see why they EQL'ed this.

I'm sure the switch to Shopify will go just swimmingly.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

450 dollars.

Amazing

Anyone else happy they own a gazillion cards they've purchased over the last couple of decades and don't need to waste money on the insane wax prices?

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Well, I finally see why they EQL'ed this.

I'm sure the switch to Shopify will go just swimmingly.

Why? Serious question. I didn’t enter and am not sure what you’re getting at.


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[TrickyNick]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

450 dollars.

Amazing

I remember buying cases in 2015 for not much more than this

[mossoholic]

Yet another product that anyone watching when it goes live could have purchased on Topps website but denied because they do this EQL bs. Lost on every EQL but the one in retrospect no one wanted to win. 1 for like a billion now.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Why? Serious question. I didn’t enter and am not sure what you’re getting at.


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There are one of two possibilities why they EQL'ed Bowmans Best today, now seeing the website update:

1) Because they were merging over to Shopify today and it conflicted with BB
2) They will EQL anything, more than before, that they deem even marginally popular now that the site is Shopify. And they deemed this with BB.

Any type of decent product on a first come first serve on a shopify website will be quite impossible to buy.

[kyle1707]

At 450 a box

On average this is a 300-400 dollar lose per box

There are so many awful values in this hobby

But this one is at the very top

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Any type of decent product on a first come first serve on a shopify website will be quite impossible to buy.

Why? I’ve never tried to buy anything on a Shopify website that was high demand.

[DarcyWinston]

Fanatics is turning most products into luxury brands that don’t have luxury secondary market values

[ATLSevarb]

Opened 4/8 boxes and a debating calling it a day and off-loading the rest.

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[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

There are one of two possibilities why they EQL'ed Bowmans Best today, now seeing the website update:

1) Because they were merging over to Shopify today and it conflicted with BB
2) They will EQL anything, more than before, that they deem even marginally popular now that the site is Shopify. And they deemed this with BB.

Any type of decent product on a first come first serve on a shopify website will be quite impossible to buy.

Full disclosure, I won both EQL's today for a total of 13 boxes, so of course I might say the system works. But I was thinking about #2 before that even happened.

The reason being that even when we do get these 5-10 minute sellouts, I believe a lot of that is still going to bots. One theory is that Topps could expand the number of customers who get the product by just putting it all on EQL with the exception of pre-sells like Series 1 which they knew would sit for days anyway. Even if they have 1,000 cases, a 5-10 minute sellout where one buyer gets 50 cases, another buyer gets 30 cases, etc. is still skewed against the average consumer. Now they just say we'll let everyone get up to 3 cases and we know we'll fill 75% of the demand in a fairer manner.

If this theory is correct, we'll never have a spinning wheel of death or a 5 minute race to see who can get through fast enough. The win rates will go up across the board on EQL and more cases will go to non-botted accounts.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Full disclosure, I won both EQL's today for a total of 13 boxes, so of course I might say the system works. But I was thinking about #2 before that even happened.

The reason being that even when we do get these 5-10 minute sellouts, I believe a lot of that is still going to bots. One theory is that Topps could expand the number of customers who get the product by just putting it all on EQL with the exception of pre-sells like Series 1 which they knew would sit for days anyway. Even if they have 1,000 cases, a 5-10 minute sellout where one buyer gets 50 cases, another buyer gets 30 cases, etc. is still skewed against the average consumer. Now they just say we'll let everyone get up to 3 cases and we know we'll fill 75% of the demand in a fairer manner.

If this theory is correct, we'll never have a spinning wheel of death or a 5 minute race to see who can get through fast enough. The win rates will go up across the board on EQL and more cases will go to non-botted accounts.

Except that if you follow the feedback on here and everywhere else online most are not winning. What's the average box win rate been? 15-20%? Average case win? 5%? What's the average win on the boxes with huge immediate resale value? 10%? Those odds are worse than the average buyer was getting just buying on Topps site even having to deal with bots. Bots are getting EQL. It's just a more difficult process.

Any of these mass produced products, like Bowman's Best, would be easier to get on Topps site versus EQL. Bowman's Best presale was cheaper and on Topps website for hours months ago. Even if it only lasted 5 minutes today countless more people would have "won" than won with EQL.

The answer to get more buyers and make it fair is auctions. It is not EQL or any other method Topps is doing.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Except that if you follow the feedback on here and everywhere else online most are not winning. What's the average box win rate been? 15-20%? Average case win? 5%? What's the average win on the boxes with huge immediate resale value? 10%? Those odds are worse than the average buyer was getting just buying on Topps site even having to deal with bots. Bots are getting EQL. It's just a more difficult process.

Any of these mass produced products, like Bowman's Best, would be easier to get on Topps site versus EQL. Bowman's Best presale was cheaper and on Topps website for hours months ago. Even if it only lasted 5 minutes today countless more people would have "won" than won with EQL.

The answer to get more buyers and make it fair is auctions. It is not EQL or any other method Topps is doing.

I was talking about the recent switch to Shopify coupled with Topps Chrome WWE and Bowman's Best both being offered on EQL when many thought those could have simply been website products. I think the majority of people who tried for WWE yesterday got in at least for boxes. I haven't seen a head count for BB today. Small sample size.

[ObanMontecristo]

Buy 2021 BB for less and get the actual rookie cards of Merrill, Dominguez, Lawlar, Cowser, Witt, Julio, Adley, Mayer, Jobe, etc.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

There are one of two possibilities why they EQL'ed Bowmans Best today, now seeing the website update:

1) Because they were merging over to Shopify today and it conflicted with BB
2) They will EQL anything, more than before, that they deem even marginally popular now that the site is Shopify. And they deemed this with BB.

Any type of decent product on a first come first serve on a shopify website will be quite impossible to buy.

KSR for the win?

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

Why? I’ve never tried to buy anything on a Shopify website that was high demand.

Bots, my friend. Shopify is the easiest system for them.

[slogue2]

The Strokes of Gold set in this release do look really cool. Digging that matte black finish. Makes the gold really pop based on the photos I’ve seen.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I was talking about the recent switch to Shopify coupled with Topps Chrome WWE and Bowman's Best both being offered on EQL when many thought those could have simply been website products. I think the majority of people who tried for WWE yesterday got in at least for boxes. I haven't seen a head count for BB today. Small sample size.

The majority got in on boxes for WWE Chrome? The limit was 5 and its a mass produced hobby product with over 100k boxes. Had it been on the website to just order, every single person that wanted to buy at noon would have got an order in. That's a hell of a lot more than the around 50% it seems won boxes of the EQL. You also didn't mention that at least on this site I don't think a single person posted they won cases.

Bowman's Best was available at a lower price on presale. It was there for hours. Anyone that wanted to buy boxes AND cases got them. Today at a higher price some got boxes and barely anyone got cases.

Does this EQL really seem like a good system for mass produced hobby products for the average buyer?

I would take any system Panini or Topps has done in the past over this EQL crap. At least I know on the stuff that is mass produced and/or not heavily botted you can easily get orders in. I manually got a case of Disney Genesis. A very in demand limited product. One that it seemed was very tough to get. Yet I couldn't get cases or even boxes of mass produced hobby products the last two days.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

The majority got in on boxes for WWE Chrome? The limit was 5 and its a mass produced hobby product with over 100k boxes. Had it been on the website to just order, every single person that wanted to buy at noon would have got an order in. That's a hell of a lot more than the around 50% it seems won boxes of the EQL. You also didn't mention that at least on this site I don't think a single person posted they won cases.

Bowman's Best was available at a lower price on presale. It was there for hours. Anyone that wanted to buy boxes AND cases got them. Today at a higher price some got boxes and barely anyone got cases.

Does this EQL really seem like a good system for mass produced hobby products for the average buyer?

I would take any system Panini or Topps has done in the past over this EQL crap. At least I know on the stuff that is mass produced and/or not heavily botted you can easily get orders in. I manually got a case of Disney Genesis. A very in demand limited product. One that it seemed was very tough to get. Yet I couldn't get cases or even boxes of mass produced hobby products the last two days.

Your first point makes zero sense. If "every single person that wanted to buy at noon" would have gotten an order in, then why did only 50% win EQL? Your math ain't mathing. If there was enough for every single person, then every single person would have won EQL LOL.

What you REALLY mean is every single person who was logged in at exactly noon and hammered their keyboard for 2 minutes would have got in. Completely ignoring the people who weren't fast enough or the guy who got a work call and couldn't get on until 12:04. It wasn't "every single person". It was every single person who fits your narrative which is the small number of people with a virtual war room hitting refresh at 11:59 until it popped up.

To your second point, if Bowman's Best was available for hours on pre-sell, cheaper, and you could have bought all you wanted, why didn't you buy then instead of trying and missing on EQL yesterday?

I'll tell you why. One, many people don't want to have money tied up that long. Understandable if funds or credit is limited. Two, many people prefer to wait as long as possible to get as much information as they can about a product while keeping their eye on what the market is doing. BB is a great example of this. Once the pre-sell was done, boxes started selling on eBay for $400, and then the big 3 posted their pre-orders for $450.

So now everyone who waited too long is saying "Why would I pay $400 on eBay or $450 from BO when Topps has boxes for $320? And that's where EQL comes into play. Boxes and cases were not going to last long on the website if it were a traditional sale. Again, "anyone who wanted it could have got it" only applies to a narrow group of people. And that group would have included more bots and distributors purchasing multiple orders for re-sell. EQL slows that down a bit, gives more humans a chance, and does, at least a better job, of weeding out bots.

It's unbelievable how selfish you are and yet refuse to see it. I've been in this business for 25 years, and I rely on it for a portion of my income. I wish I could buy wax all day. If anyone has a reason to want a better system, someone like me should be at the front of the line, right? Well, I'm not selfish. I realize that playing keyboard derby at 11:59 doesn't work for every consumer and I'm happy that regular people can enter a lottery with ample time and potentially win some boxes. That's why I don't mind it. I know I'm gonna win some, I know I'm gonna lose some, and I know if I'm tending to a crying kid at noon (school social worker), that I can still join a lottery 45 minutes later and at least have a chance. That system works for the majority of working, busy Americans who can't drop everything at exactly noon to make a purchase. It doesn't work for Moss, so you just whine about it.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Your first point makes zero sense. If "every single person that wanted to buy at noon" would have gotten an order in, then why did only 50% win EQL? Your math ain't mathing. If there was enough for every single person, then every single person would have won EQL LOL.

What you REALLY mean is every single person who was logged in at exactly noon and hammered their keyboard for 2 minutes would have got in. Completely ignoring the people who weren't fast enough or the guy who got a work call and couldn't get on until 12:04. It wasn't "every single person". It was every single person who fits your narrative which is the small number of people with a virtual war room hitting refresh at 11:59 until it popped up.

To your second point, if Bowman's Best was available for hours on pre-sell, cheaper, and you could have bought all you wanted, why didn't you buy then instead of trying and missing on EQL yesterday?

I'll tell you why. One, many people don't want to have money tied up that long. Understandable if funds or credit is limited. Two, many people prefer to wait as long as possible to get as much information as they can about a product while keeping their eye on what the market is doing. BB is a great example of this. Once the pre-sell was done, boxes started selling on eBay for $400, and then the big 3 posted their pre-orders for $450.

So now everyone who waited too long is saying "Why would I pay $400 on eBay or $450 from BO when Topps has boxes for $320? And that's where EQL comes into play. Boxes and cases were not going to last long on the website if it were a traditional sale. Again, "anyone who wanted it could have got it" only applies to a narrow group of people. And that group would have included more bots and distributors purchasing multiple orders for re-sell. EQL slows that down a bit, gives more humans a chance, and does, at least a better job, of weeding out bots.

It's unbelievable how selfish you are and yet refuse to see it. I've been in this business for 25 years, and I rely on it for a portion of my income. I wish I could buy wax all day. If anyone has a reason to want a better system, someone like me should be at the front of the line, right? Well, I'm not selfish. I realize that playing keyboard derby at 11:59 doesn't work for every consumer and I'm happy that regular people can enter a lottery with ample time and potentially win some boxes. That's why I don't mind it. I know I'm gonna win some, I know I'm gonna lose some, and I know if I'm tending to a crying kid at noon (school social worker), that I can still join a lottery 45 minutes later and at least have a chance. That system works for the majority of working, busy Americans who can't drop everything at exactly noon to make a purchase. It doesn't work for Moss, so you just whine about it.

What mass produced hobby product with seemingly little demand and 9 figures worth of boxes could someone that wanted it not get on Topps website? Also, what EQL does is it gets people that normally wouldn't be interested to see if they are EQLing this it probably has good resale value.

2 minutes on Topps website with no glitches is an eternity. I've mentioned it countless times that system is not the one I want or even in the top couple. So stop acting like Im the champion of it. But it's better than EQL. Anything else is.

You couldn't buy all you wanted on the Bowman's Best presale. You could buy 2 cases and 10 boxes. Which I did. If they would have not had an order limit I would have bought probably just about as many cases as I could. There have been many other products in the past that the bots didn't want and didn't seem like huge resale value. Some that come to mind are the previous 2 years Ginter X, 2023 Bowman Chrome U Football Sapphire, and 2023 Topps WBC hobby boxes. All had low limits and were available for in this situation essentially forever. Thanks to Topps you can only buy a little though. Heck, some of those were available for several days! Bowman U it was so bad they took down the boxes and cases and sent them to their buddies. But we all get capped at whatever the low limits were.

The main reason isn't having the money tied up. It's taking a risk is the issue. It's why the people that are against auctions are against the auctions. They don't want to take a risk. They want to buy from Topps at a guaranteed profit price. You think they would care about having a few thousand tied up for 2 months if they knew the second it was received in hand it was worth way more than they paid? Of course not.

Based on the EQL feedback you can few online what you're stating is not true. Are the percentages I gave that far off if not accurate? Do you know anyone that has entered say 15 EQL and won more than half from Topps? Anyone that has entered 10+ and won cases on 3 or more? Because I couldn't show you 1 single non bot that has.

What do you have to say for people that have won EQL but don't get the order? There are people that have won but their card either denies the transaction or flags it as fraud. Topps won't let you even have an hour to use that payment method or another. It's just automatically declined but counts as a "win". You have to use a credit card or possibly a debit card. Not sure on if you can use a debit card. No Paypal, bank account, or Apple Pay. I have cards that with Paypal it goes right through but even a $100 purchase just using the same card online gets sent a fraud alert.

Are the systems I want better for the vast majority or all the way up to 99% of people? Yes. Do I fall in that percentile? Yes. That doesn't mean Im wrong. You act like my main choice and all the other ones I have offered that it wouldn't help the average person. Please poke holes into this and show me how anything Topps does is better for the average buyer.

The fairest system is a blind bid auction system. Everyone has the same chance. You can't say no one doesn't have the time because they would have 24-48 hours. Much longer than the hour of EQL. People can put in for however much they want. Although I guess you could cap it per address at a very high limit. Just 1 of several way better than EQL. Of course, people will complain because if Topps runs this system the way they should, making you pay what you bid and not the aggregate lowest number, people are taking a risk. Many would rather have the guarantee that Topps has provided for the entire last year and in all previous years until right when Fanatics took over. They did try running the one where everyone paid the lowest price one which Im sure they don't want to do now but it's what most would complain about them not doing with this system.

EQL is bad now. Wait until Topps gets basketball and football licensed products and see what the odds are. Between all the people that don't even know about the system now and all the football and basketball people your odds will be a fraction of what they have been. That or the limits will be so low it will be winning 1 or 2 boxes. Good luck having part of your income you can rely on still existing then.

[auctionjmm]

There has to be a reason that auctions aren't widely used for in-demand products. I don't know the reasons, but if it were viable at scale I would think many businesses would want to use it, wouldn't you? This goes beyond cards. What if you auctioned tickets? Taylor Swift, Wrestlemania, The Super Bowl, The Masters at Augusta, Men's NCAA Final Four...all these events (some of which use a lottery similar to EQL) could in theory use an auction system. Nike could use it for limited release shoes. Sony/Microsoft could use it for whatever the next big video game product is. There is loads of money out there for all of these businesses if they simply auctioned everything using your method. There must be a reason it hasn't been done.

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

What mass produced hobby product with seemingly little demand and 9 figures worth of boxes could someone that wanted it not get on Topps website? Also, what EQL does is it gets people that normally wouldn't be interested to see if they are EQLing this it probably has good resale value.

2 minutes on Topps website with no glitches is an eternity. I've mentioned it countless times that system is not the one I want or even in the top couple. So stop acting like Im the champion of it. But it's better than EQL. Anything else is.

You couldn't buy all you wanted on the Bowman's Best presale. You could buy 2 cases and 10 boxes. Which I did. If they would have not had an order limit I would have bought probably just about as many cases as I could. There have been many other products in the past that the bots didn't want and didn't seem like huge resale value. Some that come to mind are the previous 2 years Ginter X, 2023 Bowman Chrome U Football Sapphire, and 2023 Topps WBC hobby boxes. All had low limits and were available for in this situation essentially forever. Thanks to Topps you can only buy a little though. Heck, some of those were available for several days! Bowman U it was so bad they took down the boxes and cases and sent them to their buddies. But we all get capped at whatever the low limits were.

The main reason isn't having the money tied up. It's taking a risk is the issue. It's why the people that are against auctions are against the auctions. They don't want to take a risk. They want to buy from Topps at a guaranteed profit price. You think they would care about having a few thousand tied up for 2 months if they knew the second it was received in hand it was worth way more than they paid? Of course not.

Based on the EQL feedback you can few online what you're stating is not true. Are the percentages I gave that far off if not accurate? Do you know anyone that has entered say 15 EQL and won more than half from Topps? Anyone that has entered 10+ and won cases on 3 or more? Because I couldn't show you 1 single non bot that has.

What do you have to say for people that have won EQL but don't get the order? There are people that have won but their card either denies the transaction or flags it as fraud. Topps won't let you even have an hour to use that payment method or another. It's just automatically declined but counts as a "win". You have to use a credit card or possibly a debit card. Not sure on if you can use a debit card. No Paypal, bank account, or Apple Pay. I have cards that with Paypal it goes right through but even a $100 purchase just using the same card online gets sent a fraud alert.

Are the systems I want better for the vast majority or all the way up to 99% of people? Yes. Do I fall in that percentile? Yes. That doesn't mean Im wrong. You act like my main choice and all the other ones I have offered that it wouldn't help the average person. Please poke holes into this and show me how anything Topps does is better for the average buyer.

The fairest system is a blind bid auction system. Everyone has the same chance. You can't say no one doesn't have the time because they would have 24-48 hours. Much longer than the hour of EQL. People can put in for however much they want. Although I guess you could cap it per address at a very high limit. Just 1 of several way better than EQL. Of course, people will complain because if Topps runs this system the way they should, making you pay what you bid and not the aggregate lowest number, people are taking a risk. Many would rather have the guarantee that Topps has provided for the entire last year and in all previous years until right when Fanatics took over. They did try running the one where everyone paid the lowest price one which Im sure they don't want to do now but it's what most would complain about them not doing with this system.

EQL is bad now. Wait until Topps gets basketball and football licensed products and see what the odds are. Between all the people that don't even know about the system now and all the football and basketball people your odds will be a fraction of what they have been. That or the limits will be so low it will be winning 1 or 2 boxes. Good luck having part of your income you can rely on still existing then.

I’m not reading all of this insanity but I hope you’re solvent.