Collectors are sleeping on Lamar Jackson

[notfast]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Yeah. OK.



Circumstances. Vick never had a team with a champions mentality like the Ravens. Who knows what Vick would have turned into if he had an organization like the Ravens who instead of saying "You're our hope for a Super Bowl" instead says "You're great, now this is what you need to do to win a Super Bowl"
I think the coaching of L Jack is 60% of his success. His leaps have been insane. That does not just happen because of coaching and does not just happen because of a player. But without the right coaching, he falters. That goes to not only off the field and his development, but the play calling, games plans, and teammates they surround him with.
I still stand by the idea that Vick was a better QB talent than L Jack was, and his 2010 Philly year, after several years off of a football field at age 30, prove that. Athletes who are commentators often say "the right thing" so Vick making that proclamation doesnt surprise me, nor sway my opinion of what I see on the field.
Derrick Henry is also a huge portion to add into the equation of this football season. As Lamar has had the best year of his career, his peak is being timed with the greatest RB of this generation joining the team.
Look at Jalen Hurts adding Barkley. All his metrics are up. TD%, INT%, QBR, QB rating. All while throwing 5-8 less passes a game. A great back makes it a lot easier on a QB.
I still think it will be difficult for Lamar Jackson to win a Super Bowl on his own, which I am constantly reminded on as the reason a QB is valuable or a great investment, which is what this thread was about to begin with. And for a QB to have a top 3 defense for 5 of his 7 seasons, top 10 for 6 out of 7, he should be looking at a Super Bowl appearance by now. Lamar will have a great shot this season, but it will be interesting to watch the Chiefs defense and how they handle him should they meet.

You should look up Vick’s stats. I think people remember him as something he wasn’t.

Dudes most accurate year as a passer would be basically equal to Lamar’s worst as a starter.

Vick vs Lamar first 6 years (prior to Vick going to jail and Lamar prior to this year) and there isn’t anything comparable. Lamar dominates in every category and it’s not even close.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by notfast

You should look up Vick’s stats. I think people remember him as something he wasn’t.

Dudes most accurate year as a passer would be basically equal to Lamar’s worst as a starter.

Vick vs Lamar first 6 years (prior to Vick going to jail and Lamar prior to this year) and there isn’t anything comparable. Lamar dominates in every category and it’s not even close.

I don't get the comparisons to Vick either other than they both had the ability to run.

Their impact on a game are not equal.

[Mikeh6480]

Originally Posted by daveyou

was browsing through ebay app for my past purchases (records go back years!) and damn, wish i had this back! it was a bgs 9.5

Untitled by davemhyou, on Flickr

Think I payed $120 for a Gold Lamar XRC in May of 2018

[boxbuster7]

Pretty Crazy Lamar Jackson and Josh Allens legacys are going to come down to one playoff game

More so Allen I'd say - he loses this game and he is a fraud

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Pretty Crazy Lamar Jackson and Josh Allens legacys are going to come down to one playoff game

More so Allen I'd say - he loses this game and he is a fraud

Take the QB away and one team has 8 pro bowlers while the other has 1. You really think it's that outrageous for the team with 1 to lose? And it's somehow the QB's fault

[PooleParty]

https://www.fanaticscollect.com/week...o-20-165-psa-9

This is my card starting on Thursday, ending on the 2nd, if anyone is interested.

Timing could be insane if he gets past Allen and Mahomes haha.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by PooleParty

https://www.fanaticscollect.com/week...o-20-165-psa-9

This is my card starting on Thursday, ending on the 2nd, if anyone is interested.

Timing could be insane if he gets past Allen and Mahomes haha.

GLWS. Hope it works out for you

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Take the QB away and one team has 8 pro bowlers while the other has 1. You really think it's that outrageous for the team with 1 to lose? And it's somehow the QB's fault

we're really using pro bowls as a measure of success...

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Pretty Crazy Lamar Jackson and Josh Allens legacys are going to come down to one playoff game

More so Allen I'd say - he loses this game and he is a fraud

I think it depends on if either can beat mahomes

Lamar is so close to being an all time great

If he wins a 3rd mvp and does not win Super Bowl.

[boxbuster7]

True...

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

we're really using pro bowls as a measure of success...

Ole dude is already starting to introduce the excuses for Josh Allen. “Yeah, they lost. But pro bowlers!!!!”

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

Ole dude is already starting to introduce the excuses for Josh Allen. “Yeah, they lost. But pro bowlers!!!!”

No excuses, not even 70m dead cap Bills have. I'm just stating a fact that excluding QB Ravens have 8 times more pro bolwers

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

we're really using pro bowls as a measure of success...

So, what do you want to use? All pro? Cause Bills also only have allen on the list, tell me how many Ravens have

[boxbuster7]

nice pfp

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by Delta5

No excuses, not even 70m dead cap Bills have. I'm just stating a fact that excluding QB Ravens have 8 times more pro bolwers

Sure guy. You wouldn’t have brought the “dead cap space” up if you didn’t want that to be a part of the conversation. Already crab walking.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Delta5

No excuses, not even 70m dead cap Bills have. I'm just stating a fact that excluding QB Ravens have 8 times more pro bolwers

So how did the Bills win more games?

[Mikeh6480]

Gameday has arrived.. will Lamar be able to handle terrible ball conditions? He has always struggled fumbling in wet conditions.. Ravens hopefully 24-20

[kyle1707]

Would love to see bills play Kermit

But I just think ravens are best team right now

I will feel bad for who ever loses.

Just anyone but Kermit Kelce tay tay and CC

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by notfast

You should look up Vick’s stats. I think people remember him as something he wasn’t.

Dudes most accurate year as a passer would be basically equal to Lamar’s worst as a starter.

Vick vs Lamar first 6 years (prior to Vick going to jail and Lamar prior to this year) and there isn’t anything comparable. Lamar dominates in every category and it’s not even close.

A LOT has changed in NFL football rules between now and then. The offenses also have adapted majorly because of these rule changes. Vick was a much better passer than Jackson is. He also had a lot less weapons than Jackson has. Football is played on a field, not in numbers on a piece of paper.

[Delta5]

Playoff choker. Never beating the allegation

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by notfast

So how did the Bills win more games?

Cause rhe man behind the Center. Proven it again today

[davidantx]

long ride home for Mark Andrews, he pretty much single handidly blew it for them. Why do you not give the 2 point conversion to your first ballot hof RB who is having a beast year?

[Siberian13]

Same Lamar, maybe next year.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Same Lamar, maybe next year.

James Harden of NFL

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by davidantx

long ride home for Mark Andrews, he pretty much single handidly blew it for them. Why do you not give the 2 point conversion to your first ballot hof RB who is having a beast year?

Lamar and Andrews can ride together. Tough game for Andrews