Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[Kobefan]

So I came back to the shop to buy another 3 boxes. I bought those 3 boxes from the same case as the one I pulled the Nomad orange and the elektra pmg blue, so that was a bad decision but I was thinking that there might be a pmg red in there. The only notable card I pulled was an archangel seismic gold. I then proceeded to irrationally buy a case of the product. I don't know what got into me, I'm normally able to hold myself back, since my attachment to this hobby was to the early 90s cards and I have not bought any modern sealed marvel products, aside from this, since 2015 retro boxes. Anyway, I way overspend and will probably need to recuperate somehow; these are my hits: IMG_9496 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/144733631@N03/]

Btw, I have been trying to trade some lower end parallels here, but nobody seems to be interested, is there a reason why? Will I have a better success at other sites?

[Spacemanspif]

nice, two PMGs in a case is awesome! I would buy or trade for the Wolverine, PM me with whatever else you need as I've been stockpiling quite a bit of singles

[ddilts399]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Have anybody ever opened a box with multiple packs and every pack has one of the same card? I have. Talking about collation, every pack in about 2 boxes of this product, I pulled an adam warlock card in the last card slot, and in other boxes, I pulled an adam warlock card at around 75% of the packs, at the same slot. So, either UD made alot more of Adam Warlock cards or some you folks are going to be seeing fewer of his cards pulled, cause they're here: IMG_9500 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/144733631@N03/]

Now, where is the option to combine them?

I'd try reaching out to upper deck on this. Cards cost to much these days to get something like that. Wouldnt hurt, they might actually send you something worth your while.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

So I came back to the shop to buy another 3 boxes. I bought those 3 boxes from the same case as the one I pulled the Nomad orange and the elektra pmg blue, so that was a bad decision but I was thinking that there might be a pmg red in there. The only notable card I pulled was an archangel seismic gold. I then proceeded to irrationally buy a case of the product. I don't know what got into me, I'm normally able to hold myself back, since my attachment to this hobby was to the early 90s cards and I have not bought any modern sealed marvel products, aside from this, since 2015 retro boxes. Anyway, I way overspend and will probably need to recuperate somehow; these are my hits: IMG_9496 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/144733631@N03/]

Btw, I have been trying to trade some lower end parallels here, but nobody seems to be interested, is there a reason why? Will I have a better success at other sites?

Even if it took a whole case, getting a Wolverine on the PMG is really quite remarkable. Man….I needed some of your luck in this set.

With all you opened that must be fun making big dents in the parallel sets. I’ve been doing my lower sets the boring way, cherry picking them on comc. Talking like the canvas, clear cuts, blue Traxx etc.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

nice, two PMGs in a case is awesome! I would buy or trade for the Wolverine, PM me with whatever else you need as I've been stockpiling quite a bit of singles

Pm you.

Originally Posted by ddilts399

I'd try reaching out to upper deck on this. Cards cost to much these days to get something like that. Wouldnt hurt, they might actually send you something worth your while.

Thanks, I'll look into it.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Even if it took a whole case, getting a Wolverine on the PMG is really quite remarkable. Man….I needed some of your luck in this set.

With all you opened that must be fun making big dents in the parallel sets. I’ve been doing my lower sets the boring way, cherry picking them on comc. Talking like the canvas, clear cuts, blue Traxx etc.

Thanks, but I don't think you want my luck, you want something better, since I'm nowhere near breaking even on any of the box openings. What you need is PrinceVegeta's luck, opening Spiderman PMG blue and Green Goblin green surge in a single case. As for making sets, I don't know if my route is a lot a lot of fun, but I'm no where near completing any of the sets I'm looking to build. If trading is really dead, then the only route is Comc, but I will need to wait till I'm completely sure that I'm done with box openings, cause I don't want duplicates, unless it's an expensive card or one that I collect. Here's my current set completion ratio:

Blue Traxx: 60/100, Blue Traxx Cover Variant: 24/100, Lenticular: 40/100, Holofoil: 20/100, Rainbow: 62/100, Rainbow Cover Variant: 39/100, Corner Box Rainbow: 8/20, Fantastic Cover rainbow: 3/10, Battle Spectre rainbow: 4/5

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Thanks, but I don't think you want my luck, you want something better, since I'm nowhere near breaking even on any of the box openings. What you need is PrinceVegeta's luck, opening Spiderman PMG blue and Green Goblin green surge in a single case. As for making sets, I don't know if my route is a lot a lot of fun, but I'm no where near completing any of the sets I'm looking to build. If trading is really dead, then the only route is Comc, but I will need to wait till I'm completely sure that I'm done with box openings, cause I don't want duplicates, unless it's an expensive card or one that I collect.

I get that about not breaking even, but to even be in the vicinity of even in this product is quite rare, given the massive print run. You have to take into account most boxes and cases of this have value in the near gutter. Like your case could have been what you got but instead of a PMG red Wolverine, a PMG red Mojo. In my boxes I paid $950 for basically 4 pink lasers and a common red prism. With your golden treasure, PMGs pulls etc, heck I’d consider that a pretty good win, even if not totally breaking even!

Of course I saw in a Reddit post someone bought two hobby boxes and out pops a green PMG Thor. Seemed like a new collector too. Now that’s killing the odds, on a lottery-level.

Here's my current set completion ratio:

Blue Traxx: 60/100, Blue Traxx Cover Variant: 24/100, Lenticular: 40/100, Holofoil: 20/100, Rainbow: 62/100, Rainbow Cover Variant: 39/100, Corner Box Rainbow: 8/20, Fantastic Cover rainbow: 3/10, Battle Spectre rainbow: 4/5

Solid numbers, shouldn’t be hard to complete on comc if you do finally go that route. Getting that Holofoil number high from physical will be nice because any of the rest from comc will be all jacked up centering.

I’ve got some ambitious goals with this set (complete numbered parallel sets etc) but we’ll see how it goes. The basic purple crystal set from blasters though was a must and I think I’m almost finally finished with it (98/100 or something like that)…those prices have come down a bit. This set is a blast to collect (even the cherry picking off comc, that’s kinda fun and I enjoy it).

[Fenian95]

My newest pickups.

I traded my Epack holofoil Wolverine and a /35 Allure card for a lenticular Spidey and a Black Cat plexi.

Much better options than a damaged holo IMHO.

[sysco28]

Looking for help to get 3 more Hulk Mini Boxes Parallel to finish the Kaleidoscope. All my cards are available for trade.

Sysco28 is my epack name

Thanks

[DynaEtch]

It’s amazing how many posts I see on like Reddit of a newish collector opening a box, and out comes a big hit. Just recently saw one- 1 hobby box, 1 gold seismic variant Venom.

I don’t think many are aware just how low the expected value of an average box is…if you’re watching a lot case breaks etc…then you know.

[Kobefan]

I think the demand for opening sealed boxes have cratered. Not only has the amount of high end parallels listed on ebay has decreased, yesterday, I was in 2 breaks simultaneously, one on phone, the other on PC (was kind of crazy), I noticed that lots of spots were going for very low prices, $5 or less and a breaker has stated that this will be his last break for this set because he's losing money on it. Furthermore, on What Not, there's only one foreseeable character break for this set, while there are many for 2024 masterpieces, matriarch, and renditions.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It’s amazing how many posts I see on like Reddit of a newish collector opening a box, and out comes a big hit. Just recently saw one- 1 hobby box, 1 gold seismic variant Venom.

I don’t think many are aware just how low the expected value of an average box is…if you’re watching a lot case breaks etc…then you know.

Is there a trading community there?

[PumpnDumpling]

Just looked at comc and seems the 2nd and 3rd tier mini boxes parallels are now going for or trending towards peanuts, while a ghost rider just did a hair under $30 on ebay a day or so ago

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Is there a trading community there?

You see trade/sale posts sometimes on there, sure. It’s Reddit though…trading sounds like it’d be a hassle. Just have to hope they send the cards etc.

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Just looked at comc and seems the 2nd and 3rd tier mini boxes parallels are now going for or trending towards peanuts, while a ghost rider just did a hair under $30 on ebay a day or so ago

One thought is the only people buying up a common Mini box like Mojo (my go-to example of a common in this set, hah) or Mole Man are doing so because they are collecting the set. I think once set collectors get theirs, they are done with it and move past it. Whereas a Ghost Rider or Spidey will always have action from a wider demand. Although even those I expect to fall some, as many people get theirs and so don’t need it anymore. The print run of the mini-boxes is pretty large.

You see a similar effect with vip blacks, the lowest are going for almost peanuts whereas the highest are going for big amounts. That’s complicated by the drastically different print runs though.

I’m surprised how high the metallurgies have stayed. Only 1 per case I guess the reason. But these aren’t the metallurgies of yesteryear. 95ish vs 25 from previous years.

[DynaEtch]

A small sampling of some colorful pickups.



The card that never made it into ePack for some reason:


One of my fav arts in the set


Nothing big here, but huge fan of the Surfer in this set. Looks nice in the blue

[DynaEtch]

Also picked up this one. Some might call it a risky pickup for these kind of amounts and it’s not even numbered. But I’m pretty sure I’ve seen just like 3 total redeemed to this point.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

You see trade/sale posts sometimes on there, sure. It’s Reddit though…trading sounds like it’d be a hassle. Just have to hope they send the cards etc.



One thought is the only people buying up a common Mini box like Mojo (my go-to example of a common in this set, hah) or Mole Man are doing so because they are collecting the set. I think once set collectors get theirs, they are done with it and move past it. Whereas a Ghost Rider or Spidey will always have action from a wider demand. Although even those I expect to fall some, as many people get theirs and so don’t need it anymore. The print run of the mini-boxes is pretty large.

You see a similar effect with vip blacks, the lowest are going for almost peanuts whereas the highest are going for big amounts. That’s complicated by the drastically different print runs though.

I’m surprised how high the metallurgies have stayed. Only 1 per case I guess the reason. But these aren’t the metallurgies of yesteryear. 95ish vs 25 from previous years.

Makes sense, is there a rough estimate for how many mini boxes/kaleidoscope/vip black rewards?

I always loved the ghost rider imagery from early marvel sets, masterpieces being one of the top. Being one of the characters on the packs prbly doesn't hurt. I'd like to think his popularity would be so much greater if the Ghost Rider movies weren't so ridiculously bad.

Seems fairly obvious the strength of the MCU (while it has wained recently) has been one of the main drivers in creating a larger marvel audience

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Makes sense, is there a rough estimate for how many mini boxes/kaleidoscope/vip black rewards?

I always loved the ghost rider imagery from early marvel sets, masterpieces being one of the top. Being one of the characters on the packs prbly doesn't hurt. I'd like to think his popularity would be so much greater if the Ghost Rider movies weren't so ridiculously bad.

Seems fairly obvious the strength of the MCU (while it has wained recently) has been one of the main drivers in creating a larger marvel audience

Yea Ghost Rider I’d put upper, but not top tier in this. I made a “tiers list” of the character values in this set at one point but I retracted it since it’s somewhat subjective. The best way to gauge the character hierarchy is probably to just go on COMC and find a parallel that is solid but not *too* rare (because you want to avoid flukes and comc monopolies) and sort the list of that parallel by highest price, then go down the list- and go off the highest lowest price in each bucket (not the highest price in each bucket since some people have abnormal high prices and never adjusted them). Do this for like Holofoils- that will give a good sorting of character values.

What makes Ghost Rider higher here is the art imo. Looking at that GR card above, it’s pretty bad*** art. What generally makes character values high in marvel is either 1)classicly “top” character like Spidey, wolvie, etc….2)attractive female characters….3)characters associated with cool looking art. Ghost Rider is largely #3 imo. Not a majorly popular character from MCU, not a female, not traditionally associated with major teams like X-Men (and thus the old X-Men 90s cartoon). He’s just an awesome looking character, and popular from comics in the 70s-80s.

[DynaEtch]

The print runs of the combinables/achievements is nuanced. I have a question for anyone doing this on ePack: when you combine 5 base to make a mini box, do you keep the digital base (I assume not?). What does it show on the marketplace then? What about when you make a kaleidoscope from 10 mini boxes, what happens to the mini boxes?

There are multiple questions that can be asked about print runs of achievements:

1. In a total utopia, from the very start with perfect trading and no one taking anything off ePack, what’s the max that can be made?

2. What’s the max that be made from this moment on, if trading is perfect, given what’s available at this moment/what has been redeemed.

3. What is a likely effective print run of the achievement in time (because trading is not perfect in reality) by estimation. The print run can always go up, but as more time passes it should change a lot less…and is also capped by #1 and #2.

For example, using the Wolverine VIP-24 black, which required a full set of red prisms:

#1. We estimated the overall epack print run was like 6% of the hobby run. Red Prisms are /492. 6% of 492 is like 30. That’s our “utopia” number for the Wolverine VIP-24…/30. It’s obviously an overestimation, because reality isn’t utopia.

#2. It appears 3 Wolverines VIP-24’s have been redeemed. I’m basing this off the in any red prism ePack bucket, there seems to be a max of 3 red prisms showing redeemed. On avg there are like 14 per character red prisms but some like spidey and venom only show having 8. We want to go with the lowest number, as that’s what’s left to combine into the achievement. (Actually only 6 non-redeemed for spidey). But there will be some locked from the marketplace too. Let’s generously add like 10 to the 3, and say /13 is the practical limit for the Wolverine VIP-24 from this moment going forward, with perfect trading. This is lower than the /30 utopia number since many red prisms have simply been moved off ePack since release.

#3. Since trading is not perfect…and more will be moved off ePack in time…an estimated practical print run of the Wolverine VIP-24 (capped at maybe /10 or /13ish) could be /5-/7ish, way down the road? If it even goes above the /3 at this point (trading seems to exponentially go down at this point).

Basically the lowest VIP blacks look to be into the hundreds…the highest ones are pretty much /10 or less, the middle-ish ones are into the few 10s.

[DynaEtch]

If we do use the 6% ePack breakdown, that would be a utopia mini box number of like /500 (and kaleidoscope /50). It is interesting to track where exactly the digital base are going in this.

-each digital base has an average of maybe 600 on the ePack marketplace
-avg of like 90 mini boxes per character on the epack marketplace
-avg of like 5 kaleidoscope per character on the epack marketplace
-like 30 mini-box showing in a common character COMC bucket between active and sold.
-like 2 kaleidoscope per character in each comc bucket between active and sold.

Now I’m still not sure exactly how the mini box thing works on ePack, whether digital base go away once redeemed etc, but from the above, that’s like 120+90+50+30+20, which comes out to like 310 mini boxes accounted for (if trading is perfect). If there were supposed to be 500, where’s the unaccounted for mini boxes hiding? That would be the ones locked on epack, transferred home off ePack, or transferred to comc and sitting unlisted in a comc account.

If anyone wants to estimate the practical number out of for mini-boxes from that, I’m all ears. Minimum would be /190ish. I think over time it’ll be like /400 mini box per character or so.

Kaleidoscope would be less than a tenth of that. Minimum like /7ish. In time maybe like /20? /25?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Also picked up this one. Some might call it a risky pickup for these kind of amounts and it’s not even numbered. But I’m pretty sure I’ve seen just like 3 total redeemed to this point.

Awesome pick-up -- congrats, Dyna.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Awesome pick-up -- congrats, Dyna.

Thanks- I’ll admit it could be considered darn right irrational getting a card like this without a serial number. But I do like the way vip blacks pop and the rainbow foil effect on the black.

I just don’t wanna know how much $ the person who redeemed it spent on this product. It required a Venom and Wolvie vip, or in other words a complete Plexi and red prism set. Must be some epack whales out there.

[js0000001]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Also picked up this one. Some might call it a risky pickup for these kind of amounts and it’s not even numbered. But I’m pretty sure I’ve seen just like 3 total redeemed to this point.

I have been working on a similarly difficult achievement from a different set. So I can appreciate the work that went into a card like that. Obviously, some cards are not serial numbered end up being rarer that some serial numbered cards. Great pickup

[GFD18]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

If we do use the 6% ePack breakdown, that would be a utopia mini box number of like /500 (and kaleidoscope /50). It is interesting to track where exactly the digital base are going in this.

-each digital base has an average of maybe 600 on the ePack marketplace
-avg of like 90 mini boxes per character on the epack marketplace
-avg of like 5 kaleidoscope per character on the epack marketplace
-like 30 mini-box showing in a common character COMC bucket between active and sold.
-like 2 kaleidoscope per character in each comc bucket between active and sold.

Now I’m still not sure exactly how the mini box thing works on ePack, whether digital base go away once redeemed etc, but from the above, that’s like 120+90+50+30+20, which comes out to like 310 mini boxes accounted for (if trading is perfect). If there were supposed to be 500, where’s the unaccounted for mini boxes hiding? That would be the ones locked on epack, transferred home off ePack, or transferred to comc and sitting unlisted in a comc account.

If anyone wants to estimate the practical number out of for mini-boxes from that, I’m all ears. Minimum would be /190ish. I think over time it’ll be like /400 mini box per character or so.

Kaleidoscope would be less than a tenth of that. Minimum like /7ish. In time maybe like /20? /25?

The digital base are consumed in the combine process. Same with the mini boxes when making a kaleidoscope. Aka every kaleidoscope made, removes 10 mini boxes from existence.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Also picked up this one. Some might call it a risky pickup for these kind of amounts and it’s not even numbered. But I’m pretty sure I’ve seen just like 3 total redeemed to this point.

Great card, must have spend a fortune or you got a steal. It's probably as rare, if not more, than a kaleidoscope. Too bad they don't have one for the surfer.

[Xiarmadillo]

Originally Posted by GFD18

The digital base are consumed in the combine process. Same with the mini boxes when making a kaleidoscope. Aka every kaleidoscope made, removes 10 mini boxes from existence.

Correct when theorycrafting. So with theorycrafting if you assume ~ 6% released on epack and max ~ 500 mini boxes/50 kaleidoscope. The reality is those are the upperbound for each craftable thru epack, however crafting marginal copies of either reduce the possibility of the other (so theoretically if 50/50 bases are used to craft either the hypothetical availability of either is 250/25)

However the caveat is, in reality the physical cards of both are printed IN ADVANCE in anticipation of combines....This means that most likely they printed at least close to the upper bound of both just to cover bases (I have never heard of a case where the epack combine was not able to be fulfilled physically)
There is no way they go do an on demand print as it would be way to costly, especially given the relative small print run.

So we can theorycraft all we want but it is anyone's guess really how many there are of these (or other combine cards). The excess inventory may eventually be destroyed, or possibly backdoored who knows, given the lack of serial.

[Spacemanspif]

Congrats Dyna on the pickup! I have been going back and forth on if I want to try and collect that parallel set, as it's pretty expensive (and that's saying something for someone who has dropped a ton of money on this release) and some of the cards are basically impossible to find at this point.



I have a lot of stuff in transit and a bunch of others I'm still trying to find, but wanted to share this one as it marked the end of my run with ripping hobby boxes. Kind of funny that I only opened enough boxes to hit 6 PMGs, and 3 of them happened to be the same character (and all 3 parallels at that). This in my estimation is probably in the top 1% of cards in the entire set, and I'd be really pressing to hit anything better, which is why I'm comfortable to say I'm done ripping personals.