Patrick Mahomes Prices

[imbluestreak23]

I love Patty

I don't understand why any of you would question his greatness.

That said, Kelce is a tool. WTF was he wearing into the arena?

Has the woke hive mind gotten to him? Probably, and that's not good for Chiefs W's. Noah Gray all the way.

[boxbuster7]

so they said it is

Mahomes first 3 game losing streak since 2016
Chiefs first 0-2 start since 2014

pretty wild

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

If Kelce catches that TD, the takes in here and by the media would be wildly different.

I'm in wait and see mode here. Like, my Niners are 2-0 but do I think they are good? No. It's early.

At the same time, Kelce not catching that TD is like so many games where if one thing happened, the outcome would be different. They don't get a "what if" pass in my book.

Like Mark Andrews dropping that pass last year against Buffalo. Or going OLD school, Jackie Smith against Pittsburgh.

History remembers winners.

Prices-wise, I would like to think people will be patient.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I'm in wait and see mode here. Like, my Niners are 2-0 but do I think they are good? No. It's early.

At the same time, Kelce not catching that TD is like so many games where if one thing happened, the outcome would be different. They don't get a "what if" pass in my book.

Like Mark Andrews dropping that pass last year against Buffalo. Or going OLD school, Jackie Smith against Pittsburgh.

History remembers winners.

Prices-wise, I would like to think people will be patient.

David Tyree

/point

[dantheman514]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I love Patty

I don't understand why any of you would question his greatness.

That said, Kelce is a tool. WTF was he wearing into the arena?

Has the woke hive mind gotten to him? Probably, and that's not good for Chiefs W's. Noah Gray all the way.

As great as Kelce was and how much he helped the franchise in the past, it's over Johnny. You could easily make an argument that he cost the Chiefs each of the first two games. In game one, he takes out Worthy on a poorly run route, which he admitted on his pod. In game two, in addition to Worthy still being out, he drops that pass near the goal line. Even though Mahomes took the blame, that is a catchable ball that hit him in the hands.

[sethc1020]

Their schedule is no cake walk especially the 1st half, I foresee a great Patty buying opportunity happening this year and into next year. The Chiefs have to reset and get younger. They need to vastly improve the O-Line & at RB then get healthy at WR. Kelce is a shell of himself. I have no doubt they will retool and Patty will bounce back similar to Brady. The next 2 years might be tough on Pattys prices but great for buying and stashing.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by dantheman514

As great as Kelce was and how much he helped the franchise in the past, it's over Johnny. You could easily make an argument that he cost the Chiefs each of the first two games. In game one, he takes out Worthy on a poorly run route, which he admitted on his pod. In game two, in addition to Worthy still being out, he drops that pass near the goal line. Even though Mahomes took the blame, that is a catchable ball that hit him in the hands.

This is true...

Where I can't point the finger at Kelce as much is the fact that he had to play 77% of the snaps yesterday. A soon to be 36 year old Tight End should not be leading all skill players in snaps.

But this is the situation the Chiefs are stuck in with Worthy and Rice (and their 5th WR, Royals) all out. They're forced to rely on Kelce way too much.

The other most concerning figure I could find is this:




The receiver lack of production is excusable considering they are playing two guys who were roster cuts from the Patriots (Juju and Thorton), but the running back lack of production is sorry to see.

[KardsC1]

Wish they would have drafted a better RB this season…James cook and king Henry are huge in those teams …

Chiefs needs:
RB, pass rushers, new TE…then we will be primed again …this year may be a wash if we don’t turn it around soon

[TSonn]

Do they panic and make some sort of move now or wait until they've got Worthy and Rice back to see what things look like?

I don't mind the Ls if it forces the team to make a move.

The offense is a house of cards right now where if one thing goes wrong on a 15 play drive the next possession is even more daunting knowing they have to do it all again.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I love Patty

I don't understand why any of you would question his greatness.

That said, Kelce is a tool. WTF was he wearing into the arena?

Has the woke hive mind gotten to him? Probably, and that's not good for Chiefs W's. Noah Gray all the way.

Kelce doesn’t play in an Arena

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Can you imagine Michael Jordan or Tom Brady missing the playoffs in their prime? Hell, Peyton Manning didn't miss the playoffs in his prime.

If you want to be a Goat you shouldn't be missing the playoffs like this. I think we are all seeing who the true cog was in the KC offense and it's exactly as I stated in this thread a while back. It's Travis Kelce. I said when he declines, Patrick won't be the same anymore and as we've seen the past couple years and into this year so far, that has played out exactly that way.

Next up, aging Big Russ and the Giants on the road. With the Ravens after that, this is a must win.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Can you imagine Michael Jordan or Tom Brady missing the playoffs in their prime? Hell, Peyton Manning didn't miss the playoffs in his prime.

If you want to be a Goat you shouldn't be missing the playoffs like this. I think we are all seeing who the true cog was in the KC offense and it's exactly as I stated in this thread a while back. It's Travis Kelce. I said when he declines, Patrick won't be the same anymore and as we've seen the past couple years and into this year so far, that has played out exactly that way.

Next up, aging Big Russ and the Giants on the road. With the Ravens after that, this is a must win.

Uhh..it's 2 weeks into the season.


You remind me of all the folks who celebrated the Chiefs downfall when they traded Tyreek. You should go back and read some of those comments.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Uhh..it's 2 weeks into the season.


You remind me of all the folks who celebrated the Chiefs downfall when they traded Tyreek. You should go back and read some of those comments.

The odds are not good for any team that starts the season 0-2. Not to mention the tough schedule and the fact that the AFC West is much stronger this year with every team being led by a good coach.

As great as Tyreek was, and he was certainly a weapon, Kelce is Mahomes 3rd down, 4th down safety valve. Kelce is one of the best, if not the best TE ever to be able to get open which is helped by the fact that he was a former quarterback and can read coverages. As much as he's a punk, and as much as I don't like him, I'm not going to withhold the fact that he's a savant at running routes.

Brady took a bunch of scrub wide receivers to the AFC championship in 2006 against the Colts. The only time he missed the playoffs was in 2002, his second year starting and even then he had a winning record. Having a losing record and missing the playoffs in his prime would really put a dent in Mahomes GOAT aspirations.

[TSonn]

I didn't realize the playoffs started week 3 now? What are we talking about?

[TheCrow]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I didn't realize the playoffs started week 3 now? What are we talking about?

Yeah, I think some people are being a little too quick to stick a fork in the Chiefs after just two games. If the Giants beat them (which they won't), THEN I will seriously start to worry.

[KardsC1]

RELAX!!!!!

Big picture: a lot of AFC teams are pretty bad…being top 7 in the conference is almost a shoe in.
Browns, dolphins, patriots, jets, now bengals , colts, jags, titans are unlikely going to get in..leaves a lot of wiggle room for teams with 10 Ws.:I think chiefs can get to 10 Ws as long as mahomes is at the helm

[blackbears86]

I think TJ made a good point: The running game is an absolute mess.

I'm starting to think Pacheco is not the answer and they need to go back to the drawing board.


Obviously, the Giants game is a must win.

[chompie99]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm starting to think Pacheco is not the answer and they need to go back to the drawing board.

He hasn’t had the same burst he had before the fracture last year. Wonder if he ever will.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

Their division is gonna be tight, Chiefs Chargers and Broncos beating on each other all season long.

I don't think there's one clear cut favorite, could see a bunch of 1-1s in the division to keep the Chiefs alive.

Plus they have 17 games to figure it out instead of 16...

If they can get to their bye week at 5-4, I think they still have a shot at the playoffs.

11% chance- The Bengals did it in 2022 and the Texans did in 2023 Given the Mahomes/Reid combo I still think they can accomplish it Big task though

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I didn't realize the playoffs started week 3 now? What are we talking about?

IMO, the Chiefs' first playoff game is this week - week 3. If they lose to the Giants, I don't see a path to the playoffs for them, considering their schedule.

Also, to go back to my QBR rant from last week - thank you, TJ and others, for specifying what QBR takes into account, but it's still making no sense to me. I understand the premise behind it, but it's weighted too heavily (IMO) in QB scrambling. And, yes, Mahomes is one of the best scramblers there is, but it's giving him too many "positive points" to situations I wouldn't (see point #2).

Example: It's pretty clear that KC has two schemes it uses to keep the game close and keep their offense moving, and Reid continues to use them brilliantly even as the team's talent is not great anymore.

1) Short dink and dunk passing, a 'la Brady and the Pats. Get small chunks of yards, keep it 3rd and short, and bleed the clock - this is partially why they're in so many close games - it's by design. They believe in these scenarios that their game plan, mixed with their defense, and Patty's abilities, will be the deciding factor, and it's been working these past 2+ years. Now it's not.

2) Send everyone out of the "zone" to open up easy running lanes for Mahomes. Ever wonder why Mahomes seems to scramble and there's no LB (or any other defender) close by? It's by design and ties into point #1. Keep the chains moving, milk the clock, keep the game on a razor's edge. In this area, they continue to succeed, but when you scheme up game plans in this manner, you're playing with fire. This year it's not working.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

IMO, the Chiefs' first playoff game is this week - week 3. If they lose to the Giants, I don't see a path to the playoffs for them, considering their schedule.

Also, to go back to my QBR rant from last week - thank you, TJ and others, for specifying what QBR takes into account, but it's still making no sense to me. I understand the premise behind it, but it's weighted too heavily (IMO) in QB scrambling. And, yes, Mahomes is one of the best scramblers there is, but it's giving him too many "positive points" to situations I wouldn't (see point #2).

Example: It's pretty clear that KC has two schemes it uses to keep the game close and keep their offense moving, and Reid continues to use them brilliantly even as the team's talent is not great anymore.

1) Short dink and dunk passing, a 'la Brady and the Pats. Get small chunks of yards, keep it 3rd and short, and bleed the clock - this is partially why they're in so many close games - it's by design. They believe in these scenarios that their game plan, mixed with their defense, and Patty's abilities, will be the deciding factor, and it's been working these past 2+ years. Now it's not.

2) Send everyone out of the "zone" to open up easy running lanes for Mahomes. Ever wonder why Mahomes seems to scramble and there's no LB (or any other defender) close by? It's by design and ties into point #1. Keep the chains moving, milk the clock, keep the game on a razor's edge. In this area, they continue to succeed, but when you scheme up game plans in this manner, you're playing with fire. This year it's not working.

So long story short, what you are saying is Mahomes has earned the title of Game Manager and he is simply a product of Andy Reid’s system?

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

So long story short, what you are saying is Mahomes has earned the title of Game Manager and he is simply a product of Andy Reid’s system?

Always has been, for the past 3 years tbh

[Earlsnake07]

LOLOL....I love all this clown show BS that is the PM hate on BO. People who ACTUALLY WATCH FOOTBALL AND UNDERSTAND are few and far between in this thread.

I guess about 50% of you just look at scores and stats and say "yep....this dude sucks, and this dude is GREAT - INVESTTTTTTTT"

The goal always has and always will be to win the west, get into the tournament and HOST playoff games.

KC has TONS they need to clean up, but anyone who thinks the season is over in week 3 has clearly not watched this version of the Chiefs. They have played very poorly....yet have had a chance in both games to win.

Absolutely agree the AFC west is much better than it has been in the past....but still a long way to go in that division.

[Bosoxfan5990]

This may be their "we're on to Cincinnati" moment this year.

[BennyA]

As someone with no rooting interest in either side this is one of my favorite threads every year as you have the same guys popping in every time Patrick throws a pick, the Chiefs lose a single game or he has a wet fart and try to dance on his and the Chiefs' graves. This appears to be a combo group of true fans of other teams he has not allowed a super bowl win and those who are just sour they missed out on the money made on him or are holding other heavy QB bags.

Then you have the same extreme defenders every year who just CANNOT ignore these folks and have to respond with the same stats and arguments about his greatness or why it's largely the rest of the teams fault when they lose. This appears to be a combo group of true Chiefs diehards and also others who are holding heavy Mahomes bags and might be starting to feel pressure he may not get those 6-8 rings the prices appear to have baked in.

Then in the middle of all that shrapnel flying back and forth there are actually a few guys trying to have a relevant discussion of performance and team needs and you are the unsung heroes. It is all a very entertaining show that repeats every single season.