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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2025 AL MVP?
Aaron Judge 165 59.78%
Cal Raleigh 111 40.22%
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Old 09-25-2025, 04:06 PM   #276
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Others in this thread have already proven Raleigh is a barely above average catcher this season.
But he was Diamond/Platinum/Plutonium level last year!!!
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Old 09-25-2025, 04:09 PM   #277
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Is there a site that you can plugs names into to compare players. just quickly looking feel like cals having a better season. From a Quick Look cal has him in runs hr rbi sb ops ops+and slug

Posey gets the edge in batting avg obp doubles and war for now but still 4 games to go and the bwar diff is .4
Pretty darn comparable!

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Old 09-25-2025, 04:09 PM   #278
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The 4 main categories savant tracks on the player page he's 11th, 73rd, 93rd, and 38th percentile.

The best defensive catcher is probably Kirk who is 100th, 63rd, 98th, 51st percentiles.

Cal is good at some things and bad at other things as a catcher so bit of a mixed bag.
I don't know why you keep ignoring fielding run value but want to push pop up times.....

Also from fangraphs he's 16.4 runs above average for fielding above average which is 5th overall for catchers. Let's save the talk that he isn't great defensively. He's not a world beater popping up to throw out runners. The horror!
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Old 09-25-2025, 04:10 PM   #279
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But he was Diamond/Platinum/Plutonium level last year!!!
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Old 09-25-2025, 04:13 PM   #280
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I'm coming around to Raleigh winning it.

As I look back, it reminds me of the 1961 season when Maris (breaking the record) won it over a more deserving Mantle.
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I don't know why you keep ignoring fielding run value but want to push pop up times.....

Also from fangraphs he's 16.4 runs above average for fielding above average which is 5th overall for catchers. Let's save the talk that he isn't great defensively. He's not a world beater popping up to throw out runners. The horror!
He's 8th overall for mlb and his value of 7 is as far from Kirk as Francisco Alvarez is from him. I'm not saying he's a bad catcher, I'm saying its a bit of mixed bag and he clearly should not be winning the gold/platinum/whatever material you want to make it out of glove. Judge is 78th percentile for fielding run value. Its not like he's Soto out there.
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I'm coming around to Raleigh winning it.

As I look back, it reminds me of the 1961 season when Maris (breaking the record) won it over a more deserving Mantle.
That vote was a lot closer than I thought. Total points was 202 to 198.
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That vote was a lot closer than I thought. Total points was 202 to 198.
I think 1 first place vote separated them.
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Old 09-25-2025, 05:16 PM   #284
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....nobody has proven that because it's not true LOL.
Just because you don't want to believe the statistics provided doesn't mean it's not true. Just like I admitted early on, I wasn't a defensive stats guy and was just looking up some defensive stats to disprove the platinum glove this year arguments. Others have provided many more stats and rankings to disprove people's thoughts.
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Old 09-25-2025, 05:18 PM   #285
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I think 1 first place vote separated them.
Judge will probably lose the Boston writers votes this year.
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Old 09-25-2025, 05:37 PM   #286
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Judge will probably lose the Boston writers votes this year.
Well, Boston is the most educated baseball town, so you're probably right. Because Raleigh deserves it.
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Old 09-25-2025, 05:59 PM   #287
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Givem co mvps.....2 historic seasons.

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Old 09-25-2025, 06:00 PM   #288
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Well, Boston is the most educated baseball town, so you're probably right. Because Raleigh deserves it.
I hear it's just a college town with a fishing pier.
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Old 09-25-2025, 06:01 PM   #289
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Old 09-25-2025, 06:01 PM   #290
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I actually don't hate this idea. Is a split vote possible?
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I don't consider a Platinum Glove to be an award worth using to determine someone's value being greater.

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Anything that includes a fan vote isn't a metric to say he was the best defensive player. Gold Glove catcher is fine. But Platinum Glove includes a popularity contest
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I actually don't hate this idea. Is a split vote possible?
What is criteria for co-MVP? Equal # of votes for both?
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Anybody good with stats and know how to look up wrc+ and ops in clutch moments curious where judge and cal sit there
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I actually don't hate this idea. Is a split vote possible?
Look up the 1979 NL MVP
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Old 09-25-2025, 06:26 PM   #295
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I don't consider a Platinum Glove to be an award worth using to determine someone's value being greater.



Anything that includes a fan vote isn't a metric to say he was the best defensive player. Gold Glove catcher is fine. But Platinum Glove includes a popularity contest
I think you may not quite understand how gold glove winners are chosen.
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Old 09-25-2025, 06:35 PM   #296
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Anybody good with stats and know how to look up wrc+ and ops in clutch moments curious where judge and cal sit there
Raleigh in 2025 high leverage per Fangraphs: WRC+ 161 OPS 1.030

Judge in 2025 high leverage per Fangraphs WRC+ 95 OPS .852
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Raleigh in 2025 high leverage per Fangraphs: WRC+ 161 OPS 1.030

Judge in 2025 high leverage per Fangraphs WRC+ 95 OPS .852

Wow, those are pretty telling!
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Wow, those are pretty telling!
Judge gets walked in those situations.

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Judge gets walked in those situations.

Another IBB just now.
An historic record no less. Just broke the tie with Ted Williams for most intentional walks in the American League.
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Your obsession Chad is concerning. Seek help.
Stay on topic. Almost time for work, eh?
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