Rolling 2013 Bowman Chrome Autograph Checklist Thread

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But see ... you're not taking it the necessary next step. For a product to be successful in the short term and the long term, it needs to have appeal at all times. The problem with 2013 Bowman Chrome is not the potential, it's the now.

And when the now sucks, breakers simply won't break (or they'll break this year, lose big, and not break next year). So while you say "who cares if there's no value", I say "I care, because it's gonna be very hard for me to find the singles I want, since thousands of Bowman Chrome cases will go unopened"

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Or they will break and hold until it's worth selling. That is my plan for my 3 cases. I keep seeing some good stuff pop up, above average prospects in decent markets so I have no problem busting it, selling the inserts and holding the auto's. Unless I hit a monster that it's just worth selling immediately. People need to define their role in this hobby before they go on rants. I like to do a little of it all, but I am also not bitching about the auto's.

Also, look at the people that are saying it's gonna be low valued cards. maybe they are just trying to build that perception so they can buy in cheap and make a larger profit :/.

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But see ... you're not taking it the necessary next step. For a product to be successful in the short term and the long term, it needs to have appeal at all times. The problem with 2013 Bowman Chrome is not the potential, it's the now.

And when the now sucks, breakers simply won't break (or they'll break this year, lose big, and not break next year). So while you say "who cares if there's no value", I say "I care, because it's gonna be very hard for me to find the singles I want, since thousands of Bowman Chrome cases will go unopened"

The now will be Puig. He is in TC, he will be in BC - people are freaking out over nothing, but like they did with Topps Chrome. Everyone pooping a brick when the "Chrome Update" release came out, and canceled cases, pestering Topps, etc. and then voila! Puig is included and now people are clamoring for more cases at higher prices.

Product will get opened - the mass appeal of "Chrome" nowadays makes it almost irrelevant that someone only breaks 5 cases this year as opposed to 20 last year. Whether it is a single huge breaker or multiple smaller breakers, singles will be available on the market.

I never said I didn't care if there was not value, so I'm not sure where you pulled that statement from. I have 2 cases coming in, so I want the product to have value. I'm just saying that people are making a much bigger deal of this "weak" checklist than it really is. The expectations for Chrome every year should be lower than Bowman or Draft, and anyone on this board (or who is involved in the hobby enough) should know that.

[NeedChapmans]

But to respond to both of you ... big breakers do not hold anything. I'm not talking about the casual collectors that open a case here or two cases there ... I'm talking about the guys that break 5, 10, 20 cases. The guys that break cases by selling teams and names on eBay. That's where a majority of singles come from.

And again, if Puig is an auto in this set, he'll be very short-printed (1 in 20 cases would be about right)

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But to respond to both of you ... big breakers do not hold anything. I'm not talking about the casual collectors that open a case here or two cases there ... I'm talking about the guys that break 5, 10, 20 cases. The guys that break cases by selling teams and names on eBay. That's where a majority of singles come from.

And again, if Puig is an auto in this set, he'll be very short-printed (1 in 20 cases would be about right)

What makes you such an expert? You opened a ton of cases of 1 product and now you are an expert on what they will do? 1 per 20 cases of a puig base auto? Really? C'mon man. If people believe that, I have some swamp land to sell them.

[Andrew Jones]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

What makes you such an expert? You opened a ton of cases of 1 product and now you are an expert on what they will do? 1 per 20 cases of a puig base auto? Really? C'mon man. If people believe that, I have some swamp land to sell them.

If I open 20 cases, how many Puig autos will I receive? Thanks in advance.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

What makes you such an expert? You opened a ton of cases of 1 product and now you are an expert on what they will do? 1 per 20 cases of a puig base auto? Really? C'mon man. If people believe that, I have some swamp land to sell them.

Never said I'm an expert, simply relaying what I've heard straight from Topps ... Puig will have an SP auto in 2013 Bowman Chrome, and they hope it's a live one (this back in July).

And you own no swamp land. Don't pretend you do.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Never said I'm an expert, simply relaying what I've heard straight from Topps ... Puig will have an SP auto in 2012 Bowman Chrome, and they hope it's a live one (this back in July).

And you own no swamp land. Don't pretend you do.

Did their announcement state he'd be shortprinted? I don't remember seeing that, if so. Link?

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Never said I'm an expert, simply relaying what I've heard straight from Topps ... Puig will have an SP auto in 2012 Bowman Chrome, and they hope it's a live one (this back in July).

And you own no swamp land. Don't pretend you do.

Too late on that edit, Mr. Expert.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Did their announcement state he'd be shortprinted? I don't remember seeing that, if so. Link?

No no ... no link or online confirmation of any kind. This was in my discussion with a Topps rep back in July when we talked redemptions and all that.

It was in my essay if you recall back in the day! The smart money is for Puig to have an RC auto (not a prospect auto), which will fall rarely.

[jewcer2k5]

And even if it's SP. It will probably be like Buxton and Correa, much more than 1 per 20 cases!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Too late on that edit, Mr. Expert.

So I made a typo of one number. You got me.

When shall we schedule the hanging?

[metsplaya123]

THE PRODUCT STINKS FOR CASE BREAKERS, GOOD FOR PROSPECTORS. End of discussion people !!

[jewcer2k5]

I'll stop pretending I own swamp land when you stop pretending you know everything about this hobby. Deal?

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by metsplaya123

THE PRODUCT STINKS FOR CASE BREAKERS, GOOD FOR PROSPECTORS. End of discussion people !!

If the case breaker also likes to prospect it's fine. Inserts will determine if it is bearable for case breakers.

[thebrett]

This is a very angry thread

Sometimes a product is a winner and sometimes it is a loser

Everyone will be fine

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

And even if it's SP. It will probably be like Buxton and Correa, much more than 1 per 20 cases!

Do you realize that RC autos in 2012 Bowman Chrome fell one in 6 cases last year ... meaning that a Harper RC auto was 1 per 24 cases?

You think all of a sudden because it's Puig Topps is gonna say "Let's make it super easy this year ... how bout a RC auto every case"?

No. The odds of a RC auto are going to be the same and the likely scenario is that Puig has an RC auto. And if he has a prospect auto, it will be SP'ed., it's just that simple.

[jewcer2k5]

Thats fine. They don't have a prospect auto of him so they should make one at some point. If they SP it thats fine too. Just raises the value of it more and more, especially without a prospect auto out there.

If its a prospect auto it won't be 1 in 20 cases.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Do you realize that RC autos in 2012 Bowman Chrome fell one in 6 cases last year ... meaning that a Harper RC auto was 1 per 24 cases?

You think all of a sudden because it's Puig Topps is gonna say "Let's make it super easy this year ... how bout a RC auto every case"?

No. The odds of a RC auto are going to be the same and the likely scenario is that Puig has an RC auto. And if he has a prospect auto, it will be SP'ed., it's just that simple.

[natbornkiller]

still waiting for the wow factor

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Thats fine. They don't have a prospect auto of him so they should make one at some point. If they SP it thats fine too. Just raises the value of it more and more, especially without a prospect auto out there.

If its a prospect auto it won't be 1 in 20 cases.

Well I've got you from "No way in hell will it be 1 in 20 cases" to "It's fine".

A victory. Keep the names comin'

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well I've got you from "No way in hell will it be 1 in 20 cases" to "It's fine".

A victory. Keep the names comin'

No way in hell if it's a prospect auto. You are like a jewish woman (im jewish and married to one) twisting everything anyone says so it is exactly what you want to hear.

[Jaypers]

Already announced, but here's a closeup of Eduardo Rodriguez's card.

Not digging that wacky auto too much, which covers most of the card.

But more importantly, they've now announced 10/2 will be the official street date.

[Andrew Jones]

BGS is going to have a fun time with those bad boys.

Also, still waiting to hear how many Puig autos I should get in a 20 case break from the guy who suggested 1 was incorrect.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

BGS is going to have a fun time with those bad boys.

Also, still waiting to hear how many Puig autos I should get in a 20 case break from the guy who suggested 1 was incorrect.

From me? No freaking clue. If it's a RC less than if it's a prospect. I don't know enough about how they SP cards like that to make a prediction. I'd say look at the 140-160 cases broken of 2013 Bowman and it will be close to the Buxton ratio. Also depends if you get Hobby or Jumbo. there are a lot of if's.

[Andrew Jones]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

From me? No freaking clue. If it's a RC less than if it's a prospect. I don't know enough about how they SP cards like that to make a prediction. I'd say look at the 140-160 cases broken of 2013 Bowman and it will be close to the Buxton ratio. Also depends if you get Hobby or Jumbo. there are a lot of if's.

My bad. I thought since you were saying anyone who believed NC's guess of 1 per 20 cases was stupid enough to buy swampland that you had some actual knowledge of how common or rare the Puig autos would be.

[NeedChapmans]

Sean Nolin had a prospect auto in '12 chrome and it fell 1 per 27 cases. Seeing how SPed Puig has been in releases so far ... I think 1 in 20 is a very fair assertation.

No twisting of words. Just the way it is.