Official 2017 Mike Trout Thread

[moosetequila]

Was looking at some past sells...

I am thinking this card could be in grave danger if ever attempted to be removed going from past experiences of card squish and stickage!

[mattglet]

I just bought another 2011 Update and a big handful of some various 2012s... how can you not get caught up in the hype train, even in 2017?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I just bought another 2011 Update and a big handful of some various 2012s... how can you not get caught up in the hype train, even in 2017?

AMEN!

[ThoseBackPages]

Love that Flagship PSA 9s are in the 150 area now

[ThoseBackPages]

this copy is ROUGH!

MIKE TROUT 2013 TOPPS HERITAGE #430 ALL STAR ROOKIE WALMART BLUE BORDER SP | eBay

[nomarkj]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I just bought another 2011 Update and a big handful of some various 2012s... how can you not get caught up in the hype train, even in 2017?

I feel the same way. Whether we are all buying in low or we are buying at the peak the fact remains we are buying a generational talent and his cards will always be an easy sell should the need arrive. It's not like we would need to undercut a sale and doing a quick sale on the BST forum. Just throw it up at auction or BIN and most likely will get a good value back.

[ThoseBackPages]

Never too late to join the Trout PARTAY!

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by nomarkj

I feel the same way. Whether we are all buying in low or we are buying at the peak the fact remains we are buying a generational talent and his cards will always be an easy sell should the need arrive. It's not like we would need to undercut a sale and doing a quick sale on the BST forum. Just throw it up at auction or BIN and most likely will get a good value back.

I honestly can't see his prices going down anytime soon, other than:
1) He gets suspended/banned for PEDs or some sort of domestic violence.
2) The card market on the whole tanks.
3) I was thinking some sort of career ending injury might hurt his prices a little bit but it certainly wouldn't completely kill his card values.

There's a large "Bryant/Trout ceiling" thread already so I apologize for hijacking this one, but there is no way any intelligent and able person should pass up getting at least one 2011 Update, even today at these prices.

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I honestly can't see his prices going down anytime soon, other than:
1) He gets suspended/banned for PEDs or some sort of domestic violence.
2) The card market on the whole tanks.
3) I was thinking some sort of career ending injury might hurt his prices a little bit but it certainly wouldn't completely kill his card values.

There's a large "Bryant/Trout ceiling" thread already so I apologize for hijacking this one, but there is no way any intelligent and able person should pass up getting at least one 2011 Update, even today at these prices.

Unless I can buy a cognac update, or a sparkly one, I cannot get myself to even think of the base update... just way too many produced, and graded (PSA-3,234 & Beckett 3,132) not counting all the raw paper versions of these still floating around) I will take a auto RC first, especially a ser # one... This frenzy for the base update just doesn't seem sustainable and could easily turn into a blood bath. Maybe I have been gone to long from this insane hobby, but my numb brain just cannot get these numbers to make sense for a high volume production paper RC...

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

Unless I can buy a cognac update, or a sparkly one, I cannot get myself to even think of the base update... just way too many produced, and graded (PSA-3,234 & Beckett 3,132) not counting all the raw paper versions of these still floating around) I will take a auto RC first, especially a ser # one... This frenzy for the base update just doesn't seem sustainable and could easily turn into a blood bath. Maybe I have been gone to long from this insane hobby, but my numb brain just cannot get these numbers to make sense for a high volume production paper RC...

i see this often. where is the "high volume" that is spoken of?

i am in no way saying the card is rare (either is the 1952 topps Mantle).

the thing to keep in mind with this trout is that it is only available in packs.

there are no factory sets made

2011 Update came a year after Strausmania and a year before the Harper production ramp-up

again, i am not saying it is rare, but its not all over the place available wise, like your average run of the mill flagship card

[kyle1707]

buy a psa 10 update .. only 2295 of those.. maybe someday it makes it 3000 total psa 10

value will only go up.. that is a very small amount...

This card has hit legendary status... If he stays healthy and continues this for next decade

psa 10 will be 1000 dollars imo...

Trout is in a different and very small class of recent players like brady and lebron..

Just look at some of those players non auto psa 10 rc cards go for...

This card has a ton of room to go up if trout stays on same path through his 20's

[tchronis24]

I think a lot of the spike is a result of him looking so good to win the MVP award this year. If something happens and he doesn't win it I think there'll be a drop in prices.

[kyleuk21]

Alright Trout guys, what is a solid trout auto that could be had in the $300-400 range? Is Tribute the prime example of good-looking auto cards? I'm strictly an A&G wood mini guy, so not much insight on other products. I was just perusing sold listings and he has a ton of different autos.

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

buy a psa 10 update .. only 2295 of those.. maybe someday it makes it 3000 total psa 10

value will only go up.. that is a very small amount...

This card has hit legendary status... If he stays healthy and continues this for next decade

psa 10 will be 1000 dollars imo...

Trout is in a different and very small class of recent players like brady and lebron..

Just look at some of those players non auto psa 10 rc cards go for...

This card has a ton of room to go up if trout stays on same path through his 20's

I agree with Trout being so very special... never an argument there, so let's remove that from the equation and look at the volume of cards produced.

No doubt Update is legendary... and scary from my point of view. Mass Hype, easy money, too much Bernie Madoff for me.

Add to this equation... BGS 9.5 = 2,224 + BGS 10 = 144 (2,368)

2368 + 2295 = 4,663 BASE MINT grades or better so far Just too many MINT cards available... I would have to lean towards the BGS 10 if I were to buy one, or the parallels graded.

Almost 6,400 have been submitted for grading, so saying that there were at least 10,000 made is not a stretch at all (and easily double that)... there wouldn't be much of a give a damn for these if they were numbered to 10,000.

Using the 6,400 vs. 4,663 that means you have almost a 73% of getting a high grade if you submit this card for grading. Way too easy... and that is were the high volume comes into play.

I just cannot drink this Kool aid... everyone is saying how great this card is, the numbers do not support this paper RC IMO... so maybe I miss out, I would much rather spend my money on a short ser# RC auto than a mass produced paper RC. I won't start on the counterfeiting possibilities

Don't blast me too hard for having a diff opinion

[seabass97166]

Originally Posted by tchronis24

I think a lot of the spike is a result of him looking so good to win the MVP award this year. If something happens and he doesn't win it I think there'll be a drop in prices.

[rcearley]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

I agree with Trout being so very special... never an argument there, so let's remove that from the equation and look at the volume of cards produced.

No doubt Update is legendary... and scary from my point of view. Mass Hype, easy money, too much Bernie Madoff for me.

Add to this equation... BGS 9.5 = 2,224 + BGS 10 = 144 (2,368)

2368 + 2295 = 4,663 BASE MINT grades or better so far Just too many MINT cards available... I would have to lean towards the BGS 10 if I were to buy one, or the parallels graded.

Almost 6,400 have been submitted for grading, so saying that there were at least 10,000 made is not a stretch at all (and easily double that)... there wouldn't be much of a give a damn for these if they were numbered to 10,000.

Using the 6,400 vs. 4,663 that means you have almost a 73% of getting a high grade if you submit this card for grading. Way too easy... and that is were the high volume comes into play.

I just cannot drink this Kool aid... everyone is saying how great this card is, the numbers do not support this paper RC IMO... so maybe I miss out, I would much rather spend my money on a short ser# RC auto than a mass produced paper RC. I won't start on the counterfeiting possibilities

Don't blast me too hard for having a diff opinion

Honestly the same thing was said about Michael Jordan Fleer RC's and look at the value on those. Roughly the population of the US is 326,173,618 people. To put it in perspective 4,663 is 0.0014% of the entire US population. It's the type of card that the casual collector will buy to stash away, plus the hard core collectors. The reality is there are not enough to go around in my opinion as the popularity continues to grow. That's just my perspective on it.

[rcearley]

Originally Posted by kyleuk21

Alright Trout guys, what is a solid trout auto that could be had in the $300-400 range? Is Tribute the prime example of good-looking auto cards? I'm strictly an A&G wood mini guy, so not much insight on other products. I was just perusing sold listings and he has a ton of different autos.

I think Topps Dynasty Patch Autographs are the best money spent for that price range. A very close second to Heritage autos (blue ink) from 2016 & 2017 and then 2015 & 2016 Topps Archives. If you can find a Museum framed auto for that price, then that's another quality one and there are ones from each year starting in 2013.

[tchronis24]

Originally Posted by seabass97166

Care to be an adult and elaborate?

[webb_jr]

Originally Posted by moosetequila

I agree with Trout being so very special... never an argument there, so let's remove that from the equation and look at the volume of cards produced.

No doubt Update is legendary... and scary from my point of view. Mass Hype, easy money, too much Bernie Madoff for me.

Add to this equation... BGS 9.5 = 2,224 + BGS 10 = 144 (2,368)

2368 + 2295 = 4,663 BASE MINT grades or better so far Just too many MINT cards available... I would have to lean towards the BGS 10 if I were to buy one, or the parallels graded.

Almost 6,400 have been submitted for grading, so saying that there were at least 10,000 made is not a stretch at all (and easily double that)... there wouldn't be much of a give a damn for these if they were numbered to 10,000.

Using the 6,400 vs. 4,663 that means you have almost a 73% of getting a high grade if you submit this card for grading. Way too easy... and that is were the high volume comes into play.

I just cannot drink this Kool aid... everyone is saying how great this card is, the numbers do not support this paper RC IMO... so maybe I miss out, I would much rather spend my money on a short ser# RC auto than a mass produced paper RC. I won't start on the counterfeiting possibilities

Don't blast me too hard for having a diff opinion

I think your biggest mistake in your calculation is just how many baseball fans there are. The number of Trout RC (graded or otherwise) is a tiny percentage of the number of baseball junkies and collectors. Hence, this logic fails to incorporate a most important variable - the number of collectors. I don't have just 1 Mike Trout update, I've got 4 or 5 maybe more. I would wager that a lot of others have the same. Plus every year, new collectors come into the hobby. Not to mention Baseball is a America's Pastime and it's got a pretty sophisticated marketing machine in place. As someone who has a child playing "travel ball" you get a pretty good look into just how popular the sport is and the numbers are strong. Think millions here, not thousands. On any given weekend we go to tournaments that have 60-100 teams in them across all ages / divisions. That's in just one area of Nor Cal. These tourneys are happening ALL OVER THE USA. Baseball participation is very strong and I expect that to continue.

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by rcearley

Honestly the same thing was said about Michael Jordan Fleer RC's and look at the value on those. Roughly the population of the US is 326,173,618 people. To put it in perspective 4,663 is 0.0014% of the entire US population. It's the type of card that the casual collector will buy to stash away, plus the hard core collectors. The reality is there are not enough to go around in my opinion as the popularity continues to grow. That's just my perspective on it.

Tell me how many other Licensed RC's there were for MJ outside of that one Fleer?

[BlueMerle406]

To contribute to this discussion, I admit I just bought a Trout Update PSA 10 yesterday for over $300. I have owned a BGS 9.5 for some time but have regretted not owning a PSA 10 for months. Honestly didn't really care that much that I paid double what they were a couple months ago. That's the appeal Trout has on people, I am actually seriously debating buying a couple more just for the fun of it.

I got the MLB package this year and for the first time am watching Trout play almost everyday. I am awestruck at the things he does every game.

[seabass97166]

Originally Posted by tchronis24

Care to be an adult and elaborate?

When has his cards ever dropped in price?

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by webb_jr

I think your biggest mistake in your calculation is just how many baseball fans there are. The number of Trout RC (graded or otherwise) is a tiny percentage of the number of baseball junkies and collectors. Hence, this logic fails to incorporate a most important variable - the number of collectors. I don't have just 1 Mike Trout update, I've got 4 or 5 maybe more. I would wager that a lot of others have the same. Plus every year, new collectors come into the hobby. Not to mention Baseball is a America's Pastime and it's got a pretty sophisticated marketing machine in place. As someone who has a child playing "travel ball" you get a pretty good look into just how popular the sport is and the numbers are strong. Think millions here, not thousands. On any given weekend we go to tournaments that have 60-100 teams in them across all ages / divisions. That's in just one area of Nor Cal. These tourneys are happening ALL OVER THE USA. Baseball participation is very strong and I expect that to continue.

I see your point... but I am looking at rarity more than anything, and my comment about preferring an RC auto that is ser#.

The MINT update is definitely a cheaper entry point then what I mentioned above, but dayummm... that is getting crazy too. Someone mentioned in here somewhere (sorry I cannot remember who) that other RC's will soon be picking up the slack, and it definitely is already.

All is good in the Trout World... still lamenting I ever sold the two autos I pulled...along with some harpers

[tchronis24]

Originally Posted by seabass97166

When has his cards ever dropped in price?

So that means they are immune to dropping in price in the future? Because basically what you're saying is that because they have never dropped in price in the past, they will never drop in price in the future.

[moosetequila]

Originally Posted by BlueMerle406

To contribute to this discussion, I admit I just bought a Trout Update PSA 10 yesterday for over $300. I have owned a BGS 9.5 for some time but have regretted not owning a PSA 10 for months. Honestly didn't really care that much that I paid double what they were a couple months ago. That's the appeal Trout has on people, I am actually seriously debating buying a couple more just for the fun of it.

I got the MLB package this year and for the first time am watching Trout play almost everyday. I am awestruck at the things he does every game.

Awesome doesn't quite cover it... does it?