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[superdan49]

2007-08 Topps Variations Gold Kevin Durant BGS 9

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[superdan49]

2011 Topps Update Black JD Martinez 03/60 BGS 9.5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-.../382785170821?






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[discostu]

1. PSA and BGS are not experts, they have simply marketed themselves as experts. For the love of the hobby...crucify PSA and BGS. These two entities all but crafted this facade of "investment" groups who are propped up by cozy deals, scams like trimming and sketchy market manipulation.

2. Regardless of who trimmed the cards...some outfits (and I use it with the utmost respect to Capone) curiously seem to deal in a lot of trimmed cards. Cards that they seem to have been submitted with their vast relationships with grading companies...but never a clue who is trimming the cards. Weird.

3. You can sue anyone for anything. If this Billy John Bobby John Whatever wants to sue someone for libel and when no libel occurred...he can. And a lawsuit may be enough to scare people, but facts are often a cold, cold maiden.

Word to the wise...they sell trimmed cards, so maybe consider giving money to some other entity who isn't so "superior."

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by discostu

1. PSA and BGS are not experts, they have simply marketed themselves as experts. For the love of the hobby...crucify PSA and BGS. These two entities all but crafted this facade of "investment" groups who are propped up by cozy deals, scams like trimming and sketchy market manipulation.

2. Regardless of who trimmed the cards...some outfits (and I use it with the utmost respect to Capone) curiously seem to deal in a lot of trimmed cards. Cards that they seem to have been submitted with their vast relationships with grading companies...but never a clue who is trimming the cards. Weird.

3. You can sue anyone for anything. If this Billy John Bobby John Whatever wants to sue someone for libel and when no libel occurred...he can. And a lawsuit may be enough to scare people, but facts are often a cold, cold maiden.

Word to the wise...they sell trimmed cards, so maybe consider giving money to some other entity who isn't so "superior."

My overall goal is to provoke change in the way BGS and PSA grade cards. Third-party grading needs a Reformation. My consumer protection work on Blowout are my 95 Theses.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by superdan49

My overall goal is to provoke change in the way BGS and PSA grade cards. Third-party grading needs a Reformation. My consumer protection work on Blowout are my 95 Theses.

After the chart that was posted from the industry summit, this hole is a lot deeper than many of us will ever know. The fact that all of those guys from Beckett were rubbing elbows with some of their biggest submitters speaks volumes about what may go on behind closed doors.
Beckett is need of some serious change in my opinion.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by superdan49

My overall goal is to provoke change in the way BGS and PSA grade cards. Third-party grading needs a Reformation. My consumer protection work on Blowout are my 95 Theses.

Excellent work by the way.

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by superdan49

My overall goal is to provoke change in the way BGS and PSA grade cards. Third-party grading needs a Reformation. My consumer protection work on Blowout are my 95 Theses.

Not looking to criticize you or bring you down, but I do not think you will accomplish changes in the way cards are graded. You have to respectfully realize this is nothing new and has been going on for nearly two decades. There are known trimmers in the industry, just that people would not post their names on forums, etc. It always has amazed me how some people never could get elite grades on unopened material they opened themselves but unsuspectingly were so happy to pay top dollar for someone else's high grade. Other than perhaps tracking serial numbered cards they graded, I do not anticipate grading companies changing anything. And even if they track serial numbered cards, who is to say a card was not altered the first time it was sent in for grading? It has been said over and over for years, grading companies cannot detect well trimmed cards. That will never change (perhaps they should acknowledge that). Some of the suggestions on here are already done. Cards are measured. Does not mean the trimmed cards do not measure properly. The other impact I see is trimmers sending more serial numbered out for consignment and perhaps other cards as well as they do not want to list their own cards - more boom of consignments. And if the companies become more cautious then more non-trimmed cards will get kicked as trimmed when in doubt. Yes, there might be technology measuring centering, etc., but that will not help detect trims.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

Not looking to criticize you or bring you down, but I do not think you will accomplish changes in the way cards are graded. You have to respectfully realize this is nothing new and has been going on for nearly two decades. There are known trimmers in the industry, just that people would not post their names on forums, etc. It always has amazed me how some people never could get elite grades on unopened material they opened themselves but unsuspectingly were so happy to pay top dollar for someone else's high grade. Other than perhaps tracking serial numbered cards they graded, I do not anticipate grading companies changing anything. And even if they track serial numbered cards, who is to say a card was not altered the first time it was sent in for grading? It has been said over and over for years, grading companies cannot detect well trimmed cards. That will never change. Some of the suggestions on here are already done. Cards are measured. Does not mean the trimmed cards do not measure properly. The other impact I see is trimmers sending more serial numbered out for consignment and perhaps other cards as well as they do not want to list their own cards - more boom of consignments.

It's definitely a cat-and-mouse game, but recording serial numbers and scanning every card over a certain value and making that image database public would be a major reform. If that gets accomplished, that would be a huge step forward IMO.

I am just doing my small part in combating fraud in the marketplace. The BO and Net54 communities though are definitely agents for positive change, and I know for a fact the grading companies read this boards.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

After the chart that was posted from the industry summit, this hole is a lot deeper than many of us will ever know. The fact that all of those guys from Beckett were rubbing elbows with some of their biggest submitters speaks volumes about what may go on behind closed doors.
Beckett is need of some serious change in my opinion.

Originally Posted by I only pull for

Excellent work by the way.

Thanks for the positive words. For those who did not understand this reference, here is the chart I Only Pull For was referring to. Kudos to BO member 3124508 for finding these links and chart:

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

This guy was at the 2018 industry summit. Gotta love it.

http://theindustrysummit.com/whos-attending

Linking name and business:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...n-burge-update

[pejc300]

This thread is so good. Per the usual, everyone saw it coming a mile away. These trimmers have only two options: come in guns blazing and go on the offensive to try to silence the truth (and threaten law suites) or go completely silent. In this case, the trimmer has done both. Caught red-handed. No more proof even needed.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by pejc300

This thread is so good. Per the usual, everyone saw it coming a mile away. These trimmers have only two options: come in guns blazing and go on the offensive to try to silence the truth (and threaten law suites) or go completely silent. In this case, the trimmer has done both. Caught red-handed. No more proof even needed.

More might not be needed, but we have smoking guns. Just waiting on some confirmations from third parties in the next few days. Stay tuned.

[3124508 on COMC]

Time to dot i's, cross t's, and wrap this one up.

An equally good and bad day for the hobby, I'm afraid.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by superdan49

More might not be needed, but we have smoking guns. Just waiting on some confirmations from third parties in the next few days. Stay tuned.

Oh not doubt, I say the more evidence the merrier!!

[ThoseBackPages]

yes, BGS & PSA need to start documenting serial numbered cards. i know that means a couple more months turnaround, but it is something that must be done

as for un-numbered cards, not sure what they can do. if a card measures up, its going to be slabbed

[cking]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Working on image composites as we speak. I have much more. As in more than I've ever found in a single seller's inventory.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by superdan49

2011 Topps Update Black JD Martinez 03/60 BGS 9.5

2011 Topps Update Black JD Martinez 03/60 BGS 9.5
BGS #0010666828

Beckett supposedly follows these threads.
Well here you go Beckett - the card was purchased raw on June 14, 2018 and graded by you 15 days later on June 29, 2018.
You have the records and you can confirm who the trimmer is. If you truly want to clean up this hobby the ball is in your court.

The proof of alteration is right there in post #228 of this thread.

Who submitted this card for grading???

Great work Superdan!

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by corndog

2011 Topps Update Black JD Martinez 03/60 BGS 9.5
BGS #0010666828

Beckett supposedly follows these threads.
Well here you go Beckett - the card was purchased raw on June 14, 2018 and graded by you 15 days later on June 29, 2018.
You have the records and you can confirm who the trimmer is. If you truly want to clean up this hobby the ball is in your court.

The proof of alteration is right there in post #228 of this thread.

Who submitted this card for grading???

Great work Superdan!

This is a critical move on BGS's part—let's assume (although as we know only Beckett can provide proof) that Sliheet is the submitter of the Martinez Update Black card. He is undoubtedly a significant customer. He even admits that he is there "every single day of the week" at BGS headquarters!





So again, as corndog says, the ball is in your court Beckett. If Sliheet is the submitter of this card, then you have a binary choice: his money or your company's integrity. Choose wisely.

[ThoseBackPages]

do we know what that black JD Martinez sold for raw?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

do we know what that black JD Martinez sold for raw?

$338.22

[pejc300]

I am no detective (well, actually I am), but here is what I found:

The J.D. Martinez is Beckett serial # 00010666828. We know when it was bought and when it was sold. I searched the cards by serial # that were graded before and after this one or close to it. The card 3 cards before this one is:

00010666825 - 2014 Topps Stadium Club Mookie Betts Auto BGS 9.5.



I don't have a worthpoint access, but I can search it and found that this card was sold on 7/21/18 (and then 7/30/18) by none other than....marketplacessi (look at the language in the listing regarding graded cards - it is identical to marketplacessi's current listings.



So, this card was for sure was graded in the same batch as the Martinez and it was also sold by marketplacessi shortly after grading. Where there is smoke...

[wegoingsizzler]

Not trying to take this thread in another direction, but as pointed out in this thread and many other threads, what is the point of buying graded cards? or even pay a premium on better grades. It has been proven time and time again that both BGS and PSA cannot certified 100% the cards they grade are real or altered. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to ensure their grades actually means something.

Right now, I don't believe their grades mean squat to me. Until there is a transparent process stating how they are preventing and punishing the offenders I will NEVER believe anything they say.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by pejc300

So, this card was for sure was graded in the same batch as the Martinez and it was also sold by marketplacessi shortly after grading. Where there is smoke...."

Should I pass you the shovel so you can dig your hole like me?

Edited to protect the innocent.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

Should I pass you the shovel so you can dig your hole like me?

Lol, I thought I had nailed him 100% air tight, but there is a .001% loophole that I didn't see, so I edited that part. But, he knows he's been caught, hence the silence.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by pejc300

I am no detective (well, actually I am), but here is what I found:

The J.D. Martinez is Beckett serial # 00010666828. We know when it was bought and when it was sold. I searched the cards by serial # that were graded before and after this one or close to it. The card 3 cards before this one is:

00010666825 - 2014 Topps Stadium Club Mookie Betts Auto BGS 9.5.



I don't have a worthpoint access, but I can search it and found that this card was sold on 7/21/18 (and then 7/30/18) by none other than....marketplacessi (look at the language in the listing regarding graded cards - it is identical to marketplacessi's current listings.



So, this card was for sure was graded in the same batch as the Martinez and it was also sold by marketplacessi shortly after grading. Where there is smoke...

Great find! We can now say conclusively, independent of Beckett's confirmation (it's a forgone conclusion at this point), that Bill Sliheet / Superior Sports Investments is the submitter for grading of the JD Martinez Update Black BGS 9.5 which is proven altered.

The most disgusting thing about his response is how he tried to leverage his brother's (not his own!) military service to lend credibility to his narrative.

I was not exaggerating when I stated before— we have it all.