2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Man Trump is just really getting after it on twitter, follow his dumb comments about Bubba Wallace with dumb comments in regards to sports team names.

The conspiracy theorists that think he's trying to self sabotage himself in the election must be having a field day.

He wants ravenous fans. That's more important than anything else. Adoration from the anonymous.

He's already built up a strategy to counter a loss if he loses the election, which only be slightly different than if he wins in November.

Never forget, billionaire presidents can be victims too.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Man Trump is just really getting after it on twitter, follow his dumb comments about Bubba Wallace with dumb comments in regards to sports team names.

The conspiracy theorists that think he's trying to self sabotage himself in the election must be having a field day.

Did Wallace not originally say he never saw the noose? And then later went on with Don Lemon and talked about how he had visual proof of the noose?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

For as immoral a man (and as moronic a man) as Trump, he does excel in certain areas and this is one of them.

Hey, maybe we can be friends one day after all!

Originally Posted by marl1220

My favorite part of what he says is listening to his press secretary tell us "what he meant to say."

That job has to be a nightmare.

I can't even imagine....

Originally Posted by discostu

He wants ravenous fans. That's more important than anything else. Adoration from the anonymous.

He's already built up a strategy to counter a loss if he loses the election, which only be slightly different than if he wins in November.

Never forget, billionaire presidents can be victims too.

Sure, but like 90% of the population is looking at him like he's the biggest dummy out there.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

Did Wallace not originally say he never saw the noose? And then later went on with Don Lemon and talked about how he had visual proof of the noose?

I don't watch CNN and/or Don Lemon. We saw the pictures, it's totally a noose. It was reported by a crew member. From what I had read right now the drivers aren't even going in the garage area (maybe that part is wrong, I recall reading that) they are going from their RVs to the cars.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by rman112

Did Wallace not originally say he never saw the noose? And then later went on with Don Lemon and talked about how he had visual proof of the noose?

Did he actually say he saw the visual evidence, or was he just saying there is visual evidence of the "noose"? I don't know one way or the other. I'm just wondering.

[NeedChapmans]

JV - Do you not see how controlled you are?

Trump starts talking about Bubba, so you start talking about Bubba. Trump starts talking about baseball team names, so you start talking about baseball team names. You're his puppet. Don't you understand that? Even when you mock the things he says, he doesn't care. He drives the conversation ... that's the value.

Look at this forum. Conversation was on COVID, you interjected w/ a Trump tweet, and the conversation turned on a dime.

That's white power. (LOL)

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

JV - Do you not see how controlled you are?

Trump starts talking about Bubba, so you start talking about Bubba. Trump starts talking about baseball team names, so you start talking about baseball team names. You're his puppet. Don't you understand that? Even when you mock the things he says, he doesn't care. He drives the conversation ... that's the value.

Look at this forum. Conversation was on COVID, you interjected w/ a Trump tweet, and the conversation turned on a dime.

That's white power. (LOL)

Triggered I think would be a better term I suppose. If you (or rather he) thinks any publicity is good, I would disagree. At the end of the day his opinions/stances etc are why I would never vote for him.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Triggered I think would be a better term I suppose. If you (or rather he) thinks any publicity is good, I would disagree. At the end of the day his opinions/stances etc are why I would never vote for him.

It's not about publicity. It's about the narrative. Trump isn't going for publicity when he brings up Bubba or sports teams or any of the other things from last week, last month he talks about. What he does is drive the narrative; so that you and your friends and the people around you talk about the things he wants you to.

And it goes exactly the way it went today. You open with a tweet from Trump, highlighting the absurdity of X or Y, but then the conversation continues into the actual substance of it. Was it a noose? Was there an apology? Are the names of these teams really racist? Is this all so stupid and so on. And without realizing it, you do exactly what he wants you to do. You focus on something else ... not him.

An election focused on Donald Trump only, is one he is certain to lose. However, when he can get you talking about almost ANYTHING else, he wins. And he does this, easily, by Tweeting crazy stuff all day long that the media just loooooooves to talk about.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm going to show how kind I am to everyone by politely declining the vial with my name on it. Decline my children's as well.

But the latter is a pipe dream. The second schools make it mandatory, which they will ... you can pump my kids with whatever drugs you want. GET THEM THE *@#&! OUT OF THIS HOUSE!

God I love my kids.

This is what I am waiting for, making a vaccine mandatory for school. Luckily my kids have graduated high school and I do not have to worry. My wife and I have already decided to flip the bills for private schools when we have grand children. I will not allow them to be indoctrinated to what is going on in our country currently.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's not about publicity. It's about the narrative. Trump isn't going for publicity when he brings up Bubba or sports teams or any of the other things from last week, last month he talks about. What he does is drive the narrative; so that you and your friends and the people around you talk about the things he wants you to.

And it goes exactly the way it went today. You open with a tweet from Trump, highlighting the absurdity of X or Y, but then the conversation continues into the actual substance of it. Was it a noose? Was there an apology? Are the names of these teams really racist? Is this all so stupid and so on. And without realizing it, you do exactly what he wants you to do. You focus on something else ... not him.

An election focused on Donald Trump only, is one he is certain to lose. However, when he can get you talking about almost ANYTHING else, he wins. And he does this, easily, by Tweeting crazy stuff all day long that the media just loooooooves to talk about.

I'm not versed in the science of politics, obviously, but are you sure that people won't see/hear the things he says, say to themselves 'This guy is a complete moron", then vote against him?

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

This is what I am waiting for, making a vaccine mandatory for school. Luckily my kids have graduated high school and I do not have to worry. My wife and I have already decided to flip the bills for private schools when we have grand children. I will not allow them to be indoctrinated to what is going on in our country currently.

In NY public schools you either get the shots or you don't go. NY also doesn't accept religious or personal beliefs as exemptions.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's not about publicity. It's about the narrative. Trump isn't going for publicity when he brings up Bubba or sports teams or any of the other things from last week, last month he talks about. What he does is drive the narrative; so that you and your friends and the people around you talk about the things he wants you to.

And it goes exactly the way it went today. You open with a tweet from Trump, highlighting the absurdity of X or Y, but then the conversation continues into the actual substance of it. Was it a noose? Was there an apology? Are the names of these teams really racist? Is this all so stupid and so on. And without realizing it, you do exactly what he wants you to do. You focus on something else ... not him.

An election focused on Donald Trump only, is one he is certain to lose. However, when he can get you talking about almost ANYTHING else, he wins. And he does this, easily, by Tweeting crazy stuff all day long that the media just loooooooves to talk about.

What you're saying has a lot of fair validity to it, but at least for me, obviously my opinion of him isn't changing and he's not getting my vote (Joe Biden for the record is also 100% not getting my vote), but I can see his supporters or goalpost movers being able to take the heat off him by moving past the initial point.

Thanks for bringing that up, I hadn't really thought of it like that previously.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by marl1220

I'm not versed in the science of politics, obviously, but are you sure that people won't see/hear the things he says, say to themselves 'This guy is a complete moron", then vote against him?

You're talking about the President of the United States.

I'm pretty sure he's already proven the concept to work!

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I don't watch CNN and/or Don Lemon. We saw the pictures, it's totally a noose. It was reported by a crew member. From what I had read right now the drivers aren't even going in the garage area (maybe that part is wrong, I recall reading that) they are going from their RVs to the cars.

Originally Posted by marl1220

Did he actually say he saw the visual evidence, or was he just saying there is visual evidence of the "noose"? I don't know one way or the other. I'm just wondering.

https://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/sta...20027597828102

Make of this what you will.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

This is what I am waiting for, making a vaccine mandatory for school. Luckily my kids have graduated high school and I do not have to worry. My wife and I have already decided to flip the bills for private schools when we have grand children. I will not allow them to be indoctrinated to what is going on in our country currently.

The thing I am confused about, isn't the percentage of school age children who have gotten COVID super low? Maybe I am misremembering what I had read previously, but I swear that was the case.

[rman112]

When it comes to school, can anyone imagine how fun it would be to try and get all the kids to keep their masks on all day?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

That's white power. (LOL)

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

The thing I am confused about, isn't the percentage of school age children who have gotten COVID super low? Maybe I am misremembering what I had read previously, but I swear that was the case.

It is, but that will not matter.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

https://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/sta...20027597828102

Make of this what you will.

Initially (as I mentioned previously) I don't believe drivers are going into the garage area right now, so it would make sense he didn't see it, and that a crew member did and reported it. NASCAR eventually did make a public photo of it (It's definitely a noose), so again seems to make sense that he had 'proof' of seeing it.

Honestly it seems like you're reaching here.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rman112

When it comes to school, can anyone imagine how fun it would be to try and get all the kids to keep their masks on all day?

That was probably my first thought. Children can't sit still to begin with, now you expect them to wear a mask all day?

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by marl1220

In NY public schools you either get the shots or you don't go. NY also doesn't accept religious or personal beliefs as exemptions.

I have lived in California, Oregon, Washington State, Maryland, Georgia and Florida. Never leaving the south again. People are friendly here.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by rman112

When it comes to school, can anyone imagine how fun it would be to try and get all the kids to keep their masks on all day?

Middle and high school, yes. K-2nd grade. No. The concept of social distancing, or any kind of distancing, doesn't exist for these kids.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I have lived in California, Oregon, Washington State, Maryland, Georgia and Florida. Never leaving the south again. People are friendly here.

You've lived in some beautiful, nature wise, places. I've always wanted to take a trip up/down the Pacific Highway.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Initially (as I mentioned previously) I don't believe drivers are going into the garage area right now, so it would make sense he didn't see it, and that a crew member did and reported it. NASCAR eventually did make a public photo of it (It's definitely a noose), so again seems to make sense that he had 'proof' of seeing it.

Honestly it seems like you're reaching here.

Really? He also said it was hanging 'over his car'. I don't see any proof of that. Where's that picture?

For Wallace to still be adamant about the racial overtones, after realizing it was there since last year, is a load of crap. And I don't know much about NASCAR, but apparently you go into the stall based on where you are in the points standings. So Bubba ending up there was essentially completely random.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

What you're saying has a lot of fair validity to it, but at least for me, obviously my opinion of him isn't changing and he's not getting my vote (Joe Biden for the record is also 100% not getting my vote), but I can see his supporters or goalpost movers being able to take the heat off him by moving past the initial point.

Thanks for bringing that up, I hadn't really thought of it like that previously.

Think of Russia. Russia was the counter narrative to the Trump presidency for the first 3+ years. Everywhere you looked, news organizations would attempt to sway the narrative from what Trump wanted to what they wanted; talking about Russia. Russia. Was. Everywhere.

Has anything been proven about the Trump campaign and Russia. No. There's a lot of narrative though, and for three years, he's been bogged down day in and day about about Russia. "His campaign is Russian, he's in the pocket of Putin, Russia has a tape, Russia has dirt, Trump owes money to Russia ..."

Just as you believe people will see Trump as a moron for tweeting stupid things, others see the media as morons for continuing to push the Trump is Russia narrative. Yet, the narrative was incredibly effective at hurting Trump and helping blue elections in 2018. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, doesn't matter if there's really a tape of Trump in Russia w/ hookers in the room (among other things) ... all that matters is that it's in the air everywhere you look.