**Official Luka Doncic Thread** - Page 1014

RogerGodahell · 05-05-2022, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

So every point guard who is an elite scorer only gets his because he controls the ball on every play? I dont understand the logic. The guy moves the ball around plenty. He also crashes the boards a lot for a guy playing the 1 or 2 every game.

Get better players around the guy and he is going to win championships.

Because according to some he should average 20 assists a game as well as 34 points and 9 boards. I don't know about 20 but he could probably get 12-15 if he had someone like Ayton or Embiid to lob the ball in to for 5-10 bunnies a night. Powell is not that guy.

KhalDrogo · 05-05-2022, 02:19 PM

Luka and Embiid would be crazy together. Make it happen Morey!

Randallk34 · 05-05-2022, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Luka and Embiid would be crazy together. Make it happen Morey!

Embiid cant stay on the court. Luka would be by himself again

Onepocketj · 05-05-2022, 02:41 PM

I'm really glad I have a lot of these guys blocked. Some of these quotes are just beyond idiotic.

Ferg1945 · 05-05-2022, 02:46 PM

Tell me you take a message board SUPER serious, without telling you take a message board SUPER serious.

You go first:

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Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I'm really glad I have a lot of these guys blocked. Some of these quotes are just beyond idiotic.

TSonn · 05-05-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

You always have all the answers. You'll complain when nothing happens. More blame for everyone not named Luka.

He's being exposed... sure.. he'll get his... because he controls the ball on every possession. Easiest decision... ohhh... I'll take the shot... I have the ball... duh!!

You do see the wide open looks Luka gets for his teammates, right? Too often he resorts to passing when he probably should take a shot.

2010GBPackers · 05-05-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

So every point guard who is an elite scorer only gets his because he controls the ball on every play? I dont understand the logic. The guy moves the ball around plenty. He also crashes the boards a lot for a guy playing the 1 or 2 every game.

Get better players around the guy and he is going to win championships.

I could name a veteran player who would fit this exact description who has no rings, but I'm not trying to start a war on BO.

sethc1020 · 05-05-2022, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

You always have all the answers. You'll complain when nothing happens. More blame for everyone not named Luka.

He's being exposed... sure.. he'll get his... because he controls the ball on every possession. Easiest decision... ohhh... I'll take the shot... I have the ball... duh!!

That theory doesn't support all the triple doubles he gets. Seems like he does a lot more than just take the shot because he as the ball in his hands and thats the easiest thing to do . Definitely needs to put in the effort to get his body in shape and come in ready to go next year. That should help it some on D, he's still only 23 and has a lot to learn on how to be a professional in the NBA. He still needs help around him also, like others have said you can be the best player of all time but it doesn't matter if you have no help. Just ask MJ

Ferg1945 · 05-05-2022, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sethc1020

That theory doesn't support all the triple doubles he gets. Seems like he does a lot more than just take the shot because he as the ball in his hands and thats the easiest thing to do . Definitely needs to put in the effort to get his body in shape and come in ready to go next year. That should help it some on D, he's still only 23 and has a lot to learn on how to be a professional in the NBA. He still needs help around him also, like others have said you can be the best player of all time but it doesn't matter if you have no help. Just ask MJ

Russell Westbrook is the king of triple doubles... how'd that work for him this season in LA?

Who hasn't won being a ball dominant player:

James Harden
Russell Westbrook

A few young guys are trending in that direction... Luka and Trae to name a few.

SandStoneSports · 05-05-2022, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Russell Westbrook is the king of triple doubles... how'd that work for him this season in LA?

Who hasn't won being a ball dominant player:

James Harden
Russell Westbrook

A few young guys are trending in that direction... Luka and Trae to name a few.

Westbrook is 33 years old and likely washed so using him as an example is a little odd. Not to mention he has had to seasons in his entire career that compare with the ones Luka and Trae had just this year at 23 years old.

Harden is a different story. Outside of being a bit of a malcontent the guy has been elite. I think Trae or Luka would be lucky to have his career. They are on pace to finish their careers 9th and 10th in scoring. I dont think anyone here said Luka was MJ or Lebron but if he gets some help he could easily have the career Kobe had. Yoi failed to mention him. Pretty sure she shot a hell.of a lot too.

tjforce · 05-05-2022, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

Westbrook is 33 years old and likely washed so using him as an example is a little odd. Not to mention he has had to seasons in his entire career that compare with the ones Luka and Trae had just this year at 23 years old.

Harden is a different story. Outside of being a bit of a malcontent the guy has been elite. I think Trae or Luka would be lucky to have his career. They are on pace to finish their careers 9th and 10th in scoring. I dont think anyone here said Luka was MJ or Lebron but if he gets some help he could easily have the career Kobe had. Yoi failed to mention him. Pretty sure she shot a hell.of a lot too.

Man, I think people are really downplaying how tough it is to win 5 titles.

RogerGodahell · 05-05-2022, 06:03 PM

All he needs is another future HOFer like Gasol or Shaq and he'll be good. At least another perennial all-star would be a good start. If you look at the best teams of all time they had at least 2 sometimes 3 or 4. Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, etc. We love to give credit to one player for winning those champions all by themselves but that wasn't the case.

Who will be remembered on this Dallas roster 20 years from now besides Luka? Probably no one atm. Even Dirk had Jason Kidd.

blackbears86 · 05-05-2022, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I could name a veteran player who would fit this exact description who has no rings, but I'm not trying to start a war on BO.

Well, at least I gave you a thoughtful argument for/against Luka that no one else commented on.

Bottom line: Luke has flaws, but he's still a young player and the positives outweigh the negatives.

blackbears86 · 05-05-2022, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

Man, I think people are really downplaying how tough it is to win 5 titles.

agree. It's incredibly difficult to win that many titles.

I think the Patty fans are starting to figure that out.

tjforce · 05-05-2022, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

agree. It's incredibly difficult to win that many titles.

I think the Patty fans are starting to figure that out.

But hey, at least he has one to start.

Luka will get his eventually. But a lot of things need to go right to get 3+. All it takes is one dynasty like Golden State or Chicago to pop up during the wrong window to take away those opportunities.

Kobefan · 05-05-2022, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

Westbrook is 33 years old and likely washed so using him as an example is a little odd. Not to mention he has had to seasons in his entire career that compare with the ones Luka and Trae had just this year at 23 years old.

Harden is a different story. Outside of being a bit of a malcontent the guy has been elite. I think Trae or Luka would be lucky to have his career. They are on pace to finish their careers 9th and 10th in scoring. I dont think anyone here said Luka was MJ or Lebron but if he gets some help he could easily have the career Kobe had. Yoi failed to mention him. Pretty sure she shot a hell.of a lot too.

Luka has a chance to have a better career than Lebron. Just follow his footsteps or even take it to the next level, by forming super teams, just depends on how far he's willing to take to win trophies. Btw, the guy you quoted says ball dominant, and he's likely referring to active players, so I'm not sure why the jab at Kobe, cause Lebron is as much ball dominant player as Kobe. Being ball dominant doesn't mean taking most of the shots, just means that most of the plays go through the player, whether it's shooting the ball or handling the ball till you decides to pass it for an assists.

blackbears86 · 05-05-2022, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobefan;18164637[B

]Luka has a chance to have a better career than Lebron. [/B]Just follow his footsteps or even take it to the next level, by forming super teams, just depends on how far he's willing to take to win trophies. Btw, the guy you quoted says ball dominant, and he's likely referring to active players, so I'm not sure why the jab at Kobe, cause Lebron is as much ball dominant player as Kobe. Being ball dominant doesn't mean taking most of the shots, just means that most of the plays go through the player, whether it's shooting the ball or handling the ball till you decides to pass it for an assists.

Your argument lost me with this comment.

Let's take a step back and see if Luka can even come CLOSE to the NBA finals just once, much less multiple times like Lebron.

Then we can discuss his career/legacy.

Kobefan · 05-05-2022, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Your argument lost me with this comment.

Let's take a step back and see if Luka can even come CLOSE to the NBA finals just once, much less multiple times like Lebron.

Then we can discuss his career/legacy.

I didn't say he's better, but simply a chance at being better, a simple jab. If Luka continues his dominant play for at least a decade and wants to have a potentially better achievements, he can do what Lebron started and even take it to the next level. For example, after his contract ends, he can jump around the league, signing a one year contract with teams to form super teams.

blackbears86 · 05-05-2022, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobefan

I didn't say he's better, but simply a chance at being better, a simple jab. If Luka continues his dominant play for at least a decade and wants to have a potentially better achievements, he can do what Lebron started and even take it to the next level. For example, after his contract ends, he can jump around the league, signing a one year contract with teams to form super teams.

When you put it that way sure, anyone could do what your saying. Luka, Tatum, Trae, etc...

Does that make it a reality? No.

And I don't think Luka is the type of guy to jump around and sign one year contracts, but who knows, maybe this will become much more common in the future.

Asian62150 · 05-05-2022, 08:54 PM

Of all the active players that have zero rings and zero MVPs, Luka is clearly the best and has the best potential to get both over the course of his career, pending good health and the Mavs being able to put a good team together.

As we've discussed over the years, that incredible potential eventually needs to turn into results. If it does, he'll be remembered as one of the greats and will probably maintain hobby stardom on the same path as Curry and LeBron. If not, his star will fade and he'll fall into a similar category with Harden and Westbrook.

Currently yes...Luka is no Bron, MJ, Curry, Durant, (insert All-Star champion here) etc...

But Luka just turned 23. MJ won his 1st championship at 27. LeBron - 27 (and we felt like it took him forever). Steph - 27.

Let's see what Luka has accomplished in 4-5 years. He might have won MVP and at least been in the discussion if it wasn't for the early season weight narrative (which was 100% his fault).

Kobefan · 05-05-2022, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

When you put it that way sure, anyone could do what your saying. Luka, Tatum, Trae, etc...

Does that make it a reality? No.

And I don't think Luka is the type of guy to jump around and sign one year contracts, but who knows, maybe this will become much more common in the future.

Not every young stars can do that, only those who are so good that even if they jump ship and form a super team, they'll still be the alpha player in the team.

Grizzkid12 · 05-05-2022, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

*Any Luka hate right now is sour grapes.

*Any Luka hate right now is because of his fan club in here. The most insufferable posters on these boards, with president Khal, VP Onepocket (I block everyone who disagrees with me) and then all the rest of their cabinet who act like no other young stars in the NBA are good.

GOATcards · 05-05-2022, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzkid12

*Any Luka hate right now is because of his fan club in here. The most insufferable posters on these boards, with president Khal, VP Onepocket (I block everyone who disagrees with me) and then all the rest of their cabinet who act like no other young stars in the NBA are good.

If we're talking like under 24, then isn't it
Luka
Ja
Trae
Zion maybe?
LaMelo

the 1st three were non-reserve all-stars this past season right?

GOATcards · 05-05-2022, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

All he needs is another future HOFer like Gasol or Shaq and he'll be good. At least another perennial all-star would be a good start. If you look at the best teams of all time they had at least 2 sometimes 3 or 4. Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, etc. We love to give credit to one player for winning those champions all by themselves but that wasn't the case.

Who will be remembered on this Dallas roster 20 years from now besides Luka? Probably no one atm. Even Dirk had Jason Kidd.

So do Joker and Luka need to team up or something? Joker has indicated his intentions to sign a supermax contract with Denver, so does Luka have to come over to Denver in a trade-plus for Murray or something?

GOATcards · 05-05-2022, 11:38 PM

MJ and Bron were MVPs by like age 24 but they also didn't have the likes of Joker+Giannis with whom to tussle it out for MVP honors/share, either, best as I can recall. Well, Larry was #2 in voting and Magic #3 when MJ won his first MVP ('88), and in Bron's case ('09), #2 was Kobe and #3 was D-Wade. So, uh, so there?

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Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,540 Asian62150	Of all the active players that have zero rings and zero MVPs, Luka is clearly the best and has the best potential to get both over the course of his career, pending good health and the Mavs being able to put a good team together. As we've discussed over the years, that incredible potential eventually needs to turn into results. If it does, he'll be remembered as one of the greats and will probably maintain hobby stardom on the same path as Curry and LeBron. If not, his star will fade and he'll fall into a similar category with Harden and Westbrook. Currently yes...Luka is no Bron, MJ, Curry, Durant, (insert All-Star champion here) etc... But Luka just turned 23. MJ won his 1st championship at 27. LeBron - 27 (and we felt like it took him forever). Steph - 27. Let's see what Luka has accomplished in 4-5 years. He might have won MVP and at least been in the discussion if it wasn't for the early season weight narrative (which was 100% his fault). __________________ IG: Asian62150

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Onepocketj Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 22,651 jeflave-0 onepocketj	I'm really glad I have a lot of these guys blocked. Some of these quotes are just beyond idiotic.

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RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	All he needs is another future HOFer like Gasol or Shaq and he'll be good. At least another perennial all-star would be a good start. If you look at the best teams of all time they had at least 2 sometimes 3 or 4. Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, Pistons, etc. We love to give credit to one player for winning those champions all by themselves but that wasn't the case. Who will be remembered on this Dallas roster 20 years from now besides Luka? Probably no one atm. Even Dirk had Jason Kidd.

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GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	MJ and Bron were MVPs by like age 24 but they also didn't have the likes of Joker+Giannis with whom to tussle it out for MVP honors/share, either, best as I can recall. Well, Larry was #2 in voting and Magic #3 when MJ won his first MVP ('88), and in Bron's case ('09), #2 was Kobe and #3 was D-Wade. So, uh, so there?