Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by pejc300

He looks so off. I don't like it. Congrats to the D for this amazing run. Thankfully the Chiefs have 5 more game to figure out the offense. If the D can keep playing like this and the offense can operate at even 80% of where they have been in the past, they will be a tough out. Rough watching dozens of QBs throw for 3 or 4 TDs in a game (Zach Wilson?) and Mahomes has gone multiple games without a TD or maybe 1 TD. I don't even remember the last time he threw a "bomb" for TD. He ain't right and I don't like it.

I will say, the Chiefs have gotten to play some horrible offenses here during their win streak.

Giants are bottom of the league
Packers without Rodgers was a dumpster fire
Broncos have a bottom defense
Raiders and Cowboys they held up well, although Cowboys were basically without their receivers

Mahomes had an okay game, you can say there were drops, but the passes weren't exactly perfect. The interception was a high throw that would've been a difficult catch when it should have been an easy throw.

Luckily they played the incompetent Broncos offense with checkdown Teddy at the helm.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by pejc300

He looks so off. I don't like it. Congrats to the D for this amazing run. Thankfully the Chiefs have 5 more game to figure out the offense. If the D can keep playing like this and the offense can operate at even 80% of where they have been in the past, they will be a tough out. Rough watching dozens of QBs throw for 3 or 4 TDs in a game (Zach Wilson?) and Mahomes has gone multiple games without a TD or maybe 1 TD. I don't even remember the last time he threw a "bomb" for TD. He ain't right and I don't like it.

There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is. My best guess is he is struggling mentally with how he has to play now. Every time I have watched a Chiefs game after ~week 5, the announcing crew mentions that during their player interviews that week Mahomes brings up the fact that, essentially, he knows he's going to have to dink and dunk it but can't wait to get back to slinging it all over the field. What if those days don't come back, though?

As much as I absolutely hate how some people complain after every dropped pass or tipped ball leading to an interception, damn, his receivers are dropping a TON of balls. BUT, like Collinsworth said last night, perhaps going back to the basics of QBing would be in his best interest. I brought up that point when in week 3 he threw a no-look pass to a wide-open Marcus Kemp, that was thrown decently behind him, caromed off his back shoulder, and was intercepted. It's just not necessary. Of course, I was dismissed for a "bad take" but that narrative is now turning into reality.

In order to gain some context, I looked back at his college stats and I can see why he feels like a mustang who's trying to be tamed - he averaged 50 pass attempts per game in college. And get this, in a game vs. OU and Baker Mayfield he attempted 88 passes - eighty-eight! With that type of background and early success in the NFL doing the same thing, I can see why he's struggling through this adjustment. In the end, who knows how the Chiefs will retool after this year, but for right now, Mahomes has to play like Brady did in his first few years in NE. I'm just not getting the indication that he wants to. Which is fine for now because they're winning.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is. My best guess is he is struggling mentally with how he has to play now. Every time I have watched a Chiefs game after ~week 5, the announcing crew mentions that during their player interviews that week Mahomes brings up the fact that, essentially, he knows he's going to have to dink and dunk it but can't wait to get back to slinging it all over the field. What if those days don't come back, though?

As much as I absolutely hate how some people complain after every dropped pass or tipped ball leading to an interception, damn, his receivers are dropping a TON of balls. BUT, like Collinsworth said last night, perhaps going back to the basics of QBing would be in his best interest. I brought up that point when in week 3 he through a no-look pass to a wide-open Marcus Kemp, that was thrown decently behind him, caromed off his back shoulder, and was intercepted. It's just not necessary. Of course, I was dismissed for a "bad take" but that narrative is now turning into reality.

In order to gain some context, I looked back at his college stats and I can see why he feels like a mustang who's trying to be tamed - he averaged 50 pass attempts per game in college. And get this, in a game vs. OU and Baker Mayfield he attempted 88 passes - eighty-eight! With that type of background and early success in the NFL doing the same thing, I can see why he's struggling through this adjustment. In the end, who knows how the Chiefs will retool after this year, but for right now, Mahomes has to play like Brady did in his first few years in NE. I'm just not getting the indication that he wants to. Which is fine for now because they're winning.

Good take.


They are winning and being carried by the defense I never thought EVER that the Chiefs defense would carry this team but this is clearly the case right now.



In regards to Patty, I don't know what to think. They had a great first drive last night that was 6+ minutes/12 plays 72 yards. They dinked and dunked and looked great. Then they just seemed to revert back to their old ways.



Patty's night? 15-29, 184 yards, 1 INT, passer rating 57.2


His total QBR over the last 6 games is 41.7---that's 20th in the NFL in that span.

[KhalDrogo]

Thought last night was the worst offensive performance they’ve had this year. For them to come up with that off an Andy Reid bye week is just shocking.

I’d like to see how Mahomes would fare without so many drops. Had some absolute drive killers last night. It’s like watching the Mavs miss wide open threes off a Luka pass, and then it turn into easy points in transition. Very frustrating.

[Selanne00008]

I think I’m a bit less concerned than others. It’s a win and you take it and move on.

Denvers D held the Chargers to just 13 points last week. This week and the week before that Denver W, the chargers put up 40+ points in each game.


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[imbluestreak23]

KCs defense is now allowing the 8th fewest points in the NFL, all while allowing the 7th most yards on defense.

Defense allowed 404 yards last night including a 14 min drive in the second quarter where the Broncos converted two fourth downs. This looked awfully similar to the TN game and if the Broncos converted that final 4th and 2, the game had a different complexion. Fortunately we also won the TO battle. Can’t score points with the D on the field giving up big drives unless the opposing QB pulls a Brady and throws you a pick 6.

Again, great chance to pull off this #1 seed. These types of wins are how you eventually win in the playoffs, so good to see KC grinding out ugly Ws including developing a semi reasonable running game, all against a top 5-6 defense

[arod305]

PM15 was definitely frustrated last night. I think a combination of the drops, a few misses, and the conservative play calling. I believe he was pissed off at EB for just chewing clock on the last drive. Which was probably a trickle down of what I thought was the most bizzare thing of the evening of them not being aggressive before half time? I still don't understand why with a minute+ left and two timeouts they just ran out the half.

I don't believe that has ever happened in the Mahomes era and found it very odd. Not sure if it was actually the windy conditions or what, but I am sure that on top of the killing clock at the end was the frustruation by Pat.

Like I said last night, I was very dissapointed in the offense given they were off a bye week. I do believe Denver is a better team than some think so a win is a win. They're in a much better spot than I anticipated they would be after the Titans debacle. They will continue to be favored in every game down the stretch (I don't expect them to win out) @ cincy and @ LA will be tough games. However, to still be in contention for the #1 seed after the season started is very very fortunate.

If and a big IF, the D keeps playing like this and the offense gets hot. This will without be the most complete team under the Mahomes era.

They're still the leaders in the clubhouse IMO in the AFC. Mahomes has never lost a playoff game to an opposing QB not named Tom Brady.

1. Mac Jones- Rookie, never played a playoff game

2. Ryan Tannehill- Enough Said here. I think they struggle to even keep pace without AB/Henry

3. Lamar Jackson- Looks awful throwing the football

4. PM15- Most experience of any QB in the hunt.

5. Josh Allen- Has some games under his belt, been a mixed bag in playoff games. I do think they're the biggest threat to the Chiefs. I am not sold on the Patriots as much as everyone else However, Buffalo has a rough schedule with NE twice and Bucs. If Buffalo can get hot and get the #1 seed that would be a tough place to play a title game. Just have to see which buffalo team shows up over the next few weeks

6. Justin Herbert- I don't see them overtaking the Chiefs for the West. First playoff game on the road who knows.

7. Joe Burrow- Will be lucky to hold this position, Cincy will be happy to make the playoffs.


This is why I am not worried about the Chiefs. We will see what happens with NE/Buffalo the next few weeks, but I am not sure I really fear anyone else in the AFC in the playoffs. The issue is that the Chiefs tiebreakers are just awful. I do think they have to win out to get the #1 seed. They will need to be one game better than everyone else I believe.

[Kingofkings1281]

Not for one second did I ever think I’d be sitting here saying the KC defense would be carrying this team. Even my die hard Chiefs friends are completely thrown off by this. I really do like Mahomes and have a few nice cards of him, but damn he looks terrible this year minus a game or two. And his receivers aren’t doing him any favors either.

[MyckKabongo]

* Play calling is an issue. There are a lot of whispers in the fanbase about Bienemy. Many would gladly swap him out for Matt Nagy. I get the strong sense that Mahomes feels the coaches have overreacted to Cover 2 and are putting him in an unnecessarily difficult position. TBH, I think he's probably right.

* Personell is an issue given the change in play calling. Mahomes badly needs his Welker/Edelman crafty posession receiver. In theory Kelce should be that guy but at this point it seems clear that Kelce is starting to decline.

[dantheman514]

Did anyone see the graphic shared early in the game last night that showed Mahomes stats at home vs. stats on the road this season? I tried to find it online, but haven't found it yet. Anyway, he has been markedly better statistically on the road this season. I was shocked when I saw it, and it made me think they may be better off as a Wild Card team that has to play three road games to get to the Super Bowl. Please share the graphic with the group if you have it. If no one shares it, you can check out his split stats here (look under By Home/Away) : https://www.footballdb.com/players/p...more%20rows%20

[gottagitdemjs]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Good take.


They are winning and being carried by the defense I never thought EVER that the Chiefs defense would carry this team but this is clearly the case right now.



In regards to Patty, I don't know what to think. They had a great first drive last night that was 6+ minutes/12 plays 72 yards. They dinked and dunked and looked great. Then they just seemed to revert back to their old ways.



Patty's night? 15-29, 184 yards, 1 INT, passer rating 57.2


His total QBR over the last 6 games is 41.7---that's 20th in the NFL in that span.

I think Andy scripts the first drive of each game, then Bienemy takes over after that.

[TSonn]

I watched the whole game last night and was surprised when they showed his QB rating on the screen near the end of the game. He didn't play poorly; he also didn't need to play well. It was a weird game where it seemed like KC coaching staff wanted to make sure to keep things conservative all game.

KC offense only played 3 quarters (basically no 2nd quarter) and they clearly had the game on cruise control in the 4th. So the offensive stats look more like a half game than a full game. If Hill catches the crosser in the 3rd he easily takes that to the house and then there'd be no tipped INT on the next play.

Got the win - they're 8-4 and I have zero doubts they can turn up the offense when they want/need to. I think Reid has a few new wrinkles that he's purposely keeping in the playbook and off tape for the big games down the road which makes these types of games a bit more conservative/boring.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I watched the whole game last night and was surprised when they showed his QB rating on the screen near the end of the game. He didn't play poorly; he also didn't need to play well. It was a weird game where it seemed like KC coaching staff wanted to make sure to keep things conservative all game.

KC offense only played 3 quarters (basically no 2nd quarter) and they clearly had the game on cruise control in the 4th. So the offensive stats look more like a half game than a full game. If Hill catches the crosser in the 3rd he easily takes that to the house and then there'd be no tipped INT on the next play.

Got the win - they're 8-4 and I have zero doubts they can turn up the offense when they want/need to. I think Reid has a few new wrinkles that he's purposely keeping in the playbook and off tape for the big games down the road which makes these types of games a bit more conservative/boring.

I do not share your confidence at all.


Besides the one good TD drive last night, the offense was a mess.


You could see the frustration mounting on Mahomes/Kelce's face last night as the game went on.


This team has 5 games to get right before the playoffs.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is.

Oh you know what it is.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I do not share your confidence at all.


Besides the one good TD drive last night, the offense was a mess.


You could see the frustration mounting on Mahomes/Kelce's face last night as the game went on.


This team has 5 games to get right before the playoffs.

I suppose I could be looking at it from an optimistic perspective...
but when I see players upset on the sideline when they are up 20 points I think it has to do with the coaching staff essentially putting a governor / restricting the offense and the players are upset because want to play and put up stats.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I do not share your confidence at all.


Besides the one good TD drive last night, the offense was a mess.


You could see the frustration mounting on Mahomes/Kelce's face last night as the game went on.


This team has 5 games to get right before the playoffs.

I've seen this a few times this year...

1st drive starts off looking great. But pretty soon there is a major mistake: dropped pass, fumble, etc... and the rhythm gets thrown off. They don't recover or recover too late.

Teams are making them dink, dunk, and execute. Between the drops, fumbles, and penalties, they haven't been able to make the defense pay consistently the way the Bucs have this year.

[Rabs]

Ironic how when he was putting up stats they were losing. Now he’s playing worse and they are winning.

I think he’ll take the wins. But the offense needs to get it going to make another deep run.

[BosPats1980]

When he was playing great the defense sucked, now he is doing just enough to win and the defense looks great. I think both sides will have it figured out by playoff time

[janton79]

Just in case this thread is still about cards, this is my latest pickup. Such an ugly card, but can’t beat the pop report.

I’ve generally been selling Mahomes since the summer, but buying here and there.


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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by janton79

Just in case this thread is still about cards, this is my latest pickup. Such an ugly card, but can’t beat the pop report.

I’ve generally been selling Mahomes since the summer, but buying here and there.


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Nice!

I still have my Silver PSA 10 and Gold PSA 9.

[mcb0419]

What’s everyone’s opinion on the projection for the base Optic RC? I am in trade talks to trade my raw copy away and it’s very hard for me to decide if it’s currently undervalued, overvalued, or right where it should be. Was going for $450 raw when I acquired it but definitely seen a tumble this season. Looks to be a PSA 9 with an outside shot at a 10 to me


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[randino101]

Originally Posted by janton79

Just in case this thread is still about cards, this is my latest pickup. Such an ugly card, but can’t beat the pop report.

I’ve generally been selling Mahomes since the summer, but buying here and there.


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Nice card indeed There's another one ending on eBay in about 15 minutes...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373814717885

PSA 9's have been going for close to $2k & a PSA 10 sold recently from PC Sportscards for $6.6k. That's a slight drop from their earlier highs, but they've still held their values pretty well since they're so SSP.

[BosPats1980]

I'll take more Super Bowl Wins and a few less touchdowns any day of the week, but I grew up a Pats fan

I think every person would gladly take that as well

Originally Posted by Rabs

Ironic how when he was putting up stats they were losing. Now he’s playing worse and they are winning.

I think he’ll take the wins. But the offense needs to get it going to make another deep run.

[arod305]

Great pickup on the Silver!

I can look a head, but sure hope the Chiefs don't look past the Raiders. However, Chiefs opened as 3 point favorites over LAC. Looks like the line may drop tho as they're even money at -3.

Going to be a huge game. Crazy how a W/L swings their fortunes in that game. A W and they imo take control of the AFC. I have 0 confidence in Tenn or Baltimore. I don't believe the Patriots will win out with @ Indy, Buffalo, and @ Miami on the schedule left.

A L and the Chargers have control of the division with the toughest games remaining of Denver at Home and Raiders in Vegas to end the year.

Can't wait! But yes, lets win on Sunday first.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by arod305

Great pickup on the Silver!

I can look a head, but sure hope the Chiefs don't look past the Raiders. However, Chiefs opened as 3 point favorites over LAC. Looks like the line may drop tho as they're even money at -3.

Going to be a huge game. Crazy how a W/L swings their fortunes in that game. A W and they imo take control of the AFC. I have 0 confidence in Tenn or Baltimore. I don't believe the Patriots will win out with @ Indy, Buffalo, and @ Miami on the schedule left.

A L and the Chargers have control of the division with the toughest games remaining of Denver at Home and Raiders in Vegas to end the year.

Can't wait! But yes, lets win on Sunday first.

Waller still didn't practice yesterday. Drake to IR. Not sure the Raiders are going to have the offensive firepower to keep up/

Ravens are decimated by injuries and Lamar looks shook. Titans have a legit shot of finishing 10-7 and not making the playoffs. The toughest lookin opponents right now are probably the Pats, the Bills and the Colts. Maybe the Chargers, we'll have to see. Home field advantage against the Pats or Bills would be huge.