**Official 2015 Minnesota Twins Thread** - Page 106

Eckstein197 · 10-04-2015, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood42

More than that, he's just bad. At least Hughes was good last year. Nolasco has just been bad

He's been bad since we signed him. I don't even know why we had signed him for so much

Hollywood42 · 10-04-2015, 04:34 PM

He was a decent pitcher for the Dodgers, but since we got him, he's been awful and hurt all the time. Cut ties with him please

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

He's been bad since we signed him. I don't even know why we had signed him for so much

Twinsfan33 · 10-04-2015, 09:59 PM

Well the season is officially over. The Twins will end up the the 17th pick in the 2016 draft. I kept on telling myself through the whole season that it wouldn't last and just enjoy the ride. I did that up until the end when I really thought we could make the playoffs. When we ended up short I was pretty depressed. Then I had to remind myself that the Twins weren't expected to be near this position at all at the start of the season. Overall I'm pretty happy with where the team is going.

This offseason is going to be huge for the trajectory of the team for the next 5-10 years. There is alot for Terry Ryan to do to make this ballclub a perennial contender. I think looking at moving Plouffe and or Gibson for a good young Catcher would be huge. Getting out of the Nolasco contract would be nice too. Building a solid bullpen should be one of the top priorities for TR this offseason. As we could see this season the bullpen blew quite a few games. That can't happen if we want to be contenders.

This is kinda off-topic but I just wanted to hear what you guys thought about this. Is there any chance that Mauer gets into the HOF? Would him getting to 3000 hits lock it up? What about hitting 600 doubles? He's currently at 1697 hits and 343 doubles (We'll say 1700 hits and 350 doubles just to make caluations easier.) For him to get to 3000 hits he would have to get 143 hits over the next 9 years to reach that milestone. To get to 600 doubles he would have to get 32 doubles over the next 8 years to reach 600. I would LOVE for him to finish his career here but for him to accomplish these goals I think he would have to be on another team. What in your guys' mind would get him over that hump to get him into the HOF?

HOFAutoRookies · 10-04-2015, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinsfan33

Well the season is officially over. The Twins will end up the the 17th pick in the 2016 draft. I kept on telling myself through the whole season that it wouldn't last and just enjoy the ride. I did that up until the end when I really thought we could make the playoffs. When we ended up short I was pretty depressed. Then I had to remind myself that the Twins weren't expected to be near this position at all at the start of the season. Overall I'm pretty happy with where the team is going.

This offseason is going to be huge for the trajectory of the team for the next 5-10 years. There is alot for Terry Ryan to do to make this ballclub a perennial contender. I think looking at moving Plouffe and or Gibson for a good young Catcher would be huge. Getting out of the Nolasco contract would be nice too. Building a solid bullpen should be one of the top priorities for TR this offseason. As we could see this season the bullpen blew quite a few games. That can't happen if we want to be contenders.

This is kinda off-topic but I just wanted to hear what you guys thought about this. Is there any chance that Mauer gets into the HOF? Would him getting to 3000 hits lock it up? What about hitting 600 doubles? He's currently at 1697 hits and 343 doubles (We'll say 1700 hits and 350 doubles just to make caluations easier.) For him to get to 3000 hits he would have to get 143 hits over the next 9 years to reach that milestone. To get to 600 doubles he would have to get 32 doubles over the next 8 years to reach 600. I would LOVE for him to finish his career here but for him to accomplish these goals I think he would have to be on another team. What in your guys' mind would get him over that hump to get him into the HOF?

Mauer will get in based on what he did for 10 years as a catcher. The compilation will just help his case. He needs to get back to a high average and OBP. But regardless, he will get in from his catching days.

razorsharp · 10-04-2015, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

Mauer will get in based on what he did for 10 years as a catcher. The compilation will just help his case. He needs to get back to a high average and OBP. But regardless, he will get in from his catching days.

Mauer has absolutely not shot at getting into the Hall.

Again, it's all about longevity. He wasn't elite for a long enough period of time. He racked up less than 1500 hits as a catcher. Since the move from catcher he's been a below league average player at his new position. His drop off has been so dramatic that he can't even be a compiler anymore since he is without a position. His career is over as soon as his contract is up.

Athey49 · 10-04-2015, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinsfan33

Well the season is officially over. The Twins will end up the the 17th pick in the 2016 draft. I kept on telling myself through the whole season that it wouldn't last and just enjoy the ride. I did that up until the end when I really thought we could make the playoffs. When we ended up short I was pretty depressed. Then I had to remind myself that the Twins weren't expected to be near this position at all at the start of the season. Overall I'm pretty happy with where the team is going.

This offseason is going to be huge for the trajectory of the team for the next 5-10 years. There is alot for Terry Ryan to do to make this ballclub a perennial contender. I think looking at moving Plouffe and or Gibson for a good young Catcher would be huge. Getting out of the Nolasco contract would be nice too. Building a solid bullpen should be one of the top priorities for TR this offseason. As we could see this season the bullpen blew quite a few games. That can't happen if we want to be contenders.

This is kinda off-topic but I just wanted to hear what you guys thought about this. Is there any chance that Mauer gets into the HOF? Would him getting to 3000 hits lock it up? What about hitting 600 doubles? He's currently at 1697 hits and 343 doubles (We'll say 1700 hits and 350 doubles just to make caluations easier.) For him to get to 3000 hits he would have to get 143 hits over the next 9 years to reach that milestone. To get to 600 doubles he would have to get 32 doubles over the next 8 years to reach 600. I would LOVE for him to finish his career here but for him to accomplish these goals I think he would have to be on another team. What in your guys' mind would get him over that hump to get him into the HOF?

The guy needs to take a pay cut or we let him go. As much as I like Mauer, that salary is hurting us

Twinsfan33 · 10-04-2015, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Athey49

The guy needs to take a pay cut or we let him go. As much as I like Mauer, that salary is hurting us

See I would usually agree with this but it's not like his $23 million is really financially tieing there hands behind there proverbial backs. I could see using that excuse back in the early 00's but now, not so much. If they want to spend money the can, they just decide not to go after the right people. They have to overpay to get people to come. Now if they want to go after a top-flight FA this offseason they can, but they won't. They still treat the club as a small market club.

Twinsfan33 · 10-04-2015, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

Mauer has absolutely not shot at getting into the Hall.

Again, it's all about longevity. He wasn't elite for a long enough period of time. He racked up less than 1500 hits as a catcher. Since the move from catcher he's been a below league average player at his new position. His drop off has been so dramatic that he can't even be a compiler anymore since he is without a position. His career is over as soon as his contract is up.

Thank you for your contribution.

Twinsfan33 · 10-04-2015, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

Mauer will get in based on what he did for 10 years as a catcher. The compilation will just help his case. He needs to get back to a high average and OBP. But regardless, he will get in from his catching days.

I sure hope so. I think he needs to get to either 3000 hits of get close to 600 doubles to really feel comfortable about getting in.

HOFAutoRookies · 10-04-2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

Mauer has absolutely not shot at getting into the Hall.

Again, it's all about longevity. He wasn't elite for a long enough period of time. He racked up less than 1500 hits as a catcher. Since the move from catcher he's been a below league average player at his new position. His drop off has been so dramatic that he can't even be a compiler anymore since he is without a position. His career is over as soon as his contract is up.

If he's on the ballot and receives at least one vote, he has a shot

Hollywood42 · 10-05-2015, 07:38 AM

Razor once again showing he is completely incapable about posting about anything other than how much Mauer sucks

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

Mauer has absolutely not shot at getting into the Hall.

Again, it's all about longevity. He wasn't elite for a long enough period of time. He racked up less than 1500 hits as a catcher. Since the move from catcher he's been a below league average player at his new position. His drop off has been so dramatic that he can't even be a compiler anymore since he is without a position. His career is over as soon as his contract is up.

Athey49 · 10-05-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinsfan33

See I would usually agree with this but it's not like his $23 million is really financially tieing there hands behind there proverbial backs. I could see using that excuse back in the early 00's but now, not so much. If they want to spend money the can, they just decide not to go after the right people. They have to overpay to get people to come. Now if they want to go after a top-flight FA this offseason they can, but they won't. They still treat the club as a small market club.

I'm saying if there is a better option, we take it unless we can talk to Joe. I really thought this was the year he'd turn it around. Pitching comes #1 this year though, I think we can all agree on that

Eckstein197 · 10-05-2015, 08:52 AM

Pitching is first priority this offseason. I really don't want to see Plouffe or Gibson moved. I think with all of this pitching talent coming up, Gibson would be a perfect 4 in our rotation. We need to land a talented veteran to lead the rotation. If the rotation looks like this on opening day, I will be happy

Veteran ace
Duffey
Berrios/Hughes
Gibson
Ervin

(In no specific order)

Bullpen help is also needed. Jepsen turned out to be solid so I'm happy with that trade. Perkins needs to get healthy and he will be fine. They need to land some solid middle relievers and a 7th inning guy/a fireballer who can get that needed strikeout in the late innings.

If we fix all of the pitching problems and Mauer is still at 1B, I'm perfectly content with that

Ok, so who do you guys think will be gone from this team?

I'm thinking:
Nolasco
Boyer
Cotts
Pelfrey

Torii will retire but could land a spot as a clubhouse guy. Cotts might come back on a 1 year deal for like 800K

TGutta · 10-05-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

Ok, so who do you guys think will be gone from this team?

I'm thinking:
Nolasco
Boyer
Cotts
Pelfrey

Torii will retire but could land a spot as a clubhouse guy. Cotts might come back on a 1 year deal for like 800K

I would like to agree with the players that you mention being gone, but Nolasco is a nearly impossible contract to move unless you are taking on another horrible contract. I doubt that they would eat his contract and release him, but that might be the only option for having him off the team entirely. I see him as more of a long relief guy next season, as Pelfrey was supposed to be at the beginning of this season.

Pelfrey and Boyer are gone for sure. I'm pretty sure that Tonkin is out of options and he pitched better in September, so I bet he is with us on Opening Day next year.

As far as Cotts, I read somewhere that he will be looking for a similar contract this year, approximately 3 million. Not sure if that is money the Twins should spend on him, but I could see them doing it.

I also believe that from our active roster, Duensing, 1 of Fryer or Herrmann, and possibly Shane Robinson will be gone. Duensing will be too expensive and he has steadily gotten worse every year. We should look into getting another catcher to pair with Suzuki and that doesn't leave room for Fryer and Herrmann. I also think that the Twins haven't completely given up on Pinto being a Catcher moving forward. Robinson played as well as we could have asked out of a 4th OF, but we just have too much depth in the OF to justify leaving him on the roster, whether or not Torii comes back next year.

TTMMaster19 · 10-05-2015, 10:00 AM

I get the feeling Torii won't come back next year.

Here's a question:

What would be fair trade value if we traded Mauer to another team..?

Athey49 · 10-05-2015, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

Ok, so who do you guys think will be gone from this team?

I'm thinking:
Nolasco
Boyer
Cotts
Pelfrey

Torii will retire but could land a spot as a clubhouse guy. Cotts might come back on a 1 year deal for like 800K

Duensing definitely

TGutta · 10-05-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TTMMaster19

Here's a question:

What would be fair trade value if we traded Mauer to another team..?

Honestly, he doesn't have much trade value at all. He is limited to 1B and was below average with the bat this year. Couple that with the fact that his salary is so high and the negative backlash that would happen publicly from him being traded, and there is about a 2% chance of him being traded. If another team took him on it would only be seen as a salary dump for us and we wouldn't get anything worthwhile. Just my opinion.

Hollywood42 · 10-05-2015, 10:25 AM

I'll have more to share as I have time, but here's my thoughts on what should be our #1 priority this offseason, starting pitching-

We will never be true postseason contenders until we have a rotation that can truly compete with any MLB team. Right now, we don't have anybody that is more than a #2 starter at best, and I think saying #3 would be more accurate. We found that Tyler Duffey has the stuff to be a MLB pitcher, and I think he works his way into the rotation at the start of next year. He has a nasty curve, and can strike people out. We don't have many guys like that right now. We also need Berrios in the MLB, and we need him to be the ace that everyone predicts he can be. I'm not expecting him to break spring training with the team and win 20 games, there will likely be an adjustment period. But we need him to be the ace we don't have. Next, we need to get rid of Nolasco and Pelfrey. Nolasco has NEVER given us anything on the field since we signed him, and while I like Pelfrey as a person, he gives up way too many runs and has had far too many chances with the team. It's time to cut him loose. I think we keep Trevor May in the bullpen, he did really well from the pen after being moved there. One guy I'm not sure what we do with yet is Alex Meyer. He didn't really have many chances this year, but didn't do well at all in the chances he had. Wouldn't be surprised if he starts out of the bullpen, with the chance at moving into the rotation if a slot opens up. My wish for our rotation next year: 1. Jose Berrios. 2. Ervin Santana. 3. Phil Hughes. 4. Tyler Duffey. 5. Kyle Gibson. I think that rotation, where everyone is pitching to their potential, could bring the Twins a lot of success. That being said, I would still love for us to go after a big name free agent. Don't know who is available this offseason off the top of my head, and I know we would have to pay big money for them, but I'd love to see one of the league aces in a Twins uniform.

Eckstein197 · 10-05-2015, 11:27 AM

I know it's impossible but just imagine if Greinke or Price signed with the Twins.

razorsharp · 10-05-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TGutta

Honestly, he doesn't have much trade value at all. He is limited to 1B and was below average with the bat this year. Couple that with the fact that his salary is so high and the negative backlash that would happen publicly from him being traded, and there is about a 2% chance of him being traded. If another team took him on it would only be seen as a salary dump for us and we wouldn't get anything worthwhile. Just my opinion.

1st of all, no team in baseball would trade for Mauer unless the Twins ate at least 75% of the remaining contract.

2nd of all, negative backlash? Do you live with your head in the sand? Do you realize the majority of Twins fans would be thrilled if Mauer got traded?

If you could (which you can't) dump Mauer for nothing it would be a huge win for the Twins. That would open up an additional $23 mill a year that the Twins could spend on legitimate player(s) for the next 3 years.

razorsharp · 10-05-2015, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Razor once again showing he is completely incapable about posting about anything other than how much Mauer sucks

What did I say in that post that isn't true?

A guy said he will get in the HOF. I disagreed and brought up nothing but facts.

Hollywood42 · 10-05-2015, 01:11 PM

I can always count on you to ignore my point and talk about Mauer being awful

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

What did I say in that post that isn't true?

A guy said he will get in the HOF. I disagreed and brought up nothing but facts.

HOFAutoRookies · 10-05-2015, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

What did I say in that post that isn't true?

A guy said he will get in the HOF. I disagreed and brought up nothing but facts.

You're "facts" are questionable at best.

Mauer did things at catcher no one has ever done before. First batting title ever in AL, let alone to win 3. Only catcher EVER to lead the league in average, OBP, and slugging percentage (sabermetric triple crown), highest batting average in a season for a catcher in over 100 years, finished 3rd (2010), 4th (2012) and 2nd (2013) for other batting titles and finished with the 5th highest WAR total ever for a catcher through their age-30 season.

So, if you ask me, he's already established himself as an all-time great at a catcher. Easily top-10.

His concussion ruined him.

concussion.

Pre-concussion
AVG. OBP. SLG. SO%. BB%. ISO
.323. .405. .468. 11.2. 12.2. .146

Pre-concussion
.272. .348. .366. 17.6. 10.5. .095

Yes, we know he's not the same now, but you can't ignore the past and what he did as a catcher.

razorsharp · 10-05-2015, 01:17 PM

Thurman Munson isn't in the Hall of fame. How can you justify Mauer getting in if Munson isn't in?

As a catcher they have almost the same exact WAR.

Munson has more career hits and HR's.

Again, Mauer isn't getting in because he wasn't elite for a long enough period of time.

HOFAutoRookies · 10-06-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

Thurman Munson isn't in the Hall of fame. How can you justify Mauer getting in if Munson isn't in?

As a catcher they have almost the same exact WAR.

Munson has more career hits and HR's.

Again, Mauer isn't getting in because he wasn't elite for a long enough period of time.

If you think Munson was better than Mauer, you are so off base my friend.

Because Mauer was better. Simple as that.

Munson barely beats out Mauer in RBI's, Hits and HR's, and not by much. And that's with Munson having over 700 more plate appearances during that span. Mauer more runs, embarrasses him in doubles, same steals believe it or not, struck out more but almost doubles his walk total, and then Mauer beats him out in the rest of the line like OBP, SLG, OPS and so on.

So, looks to me that Mauer was a superior hitter, with more power (power isn't just hr's), better plate discipline and was more valuable as a hitter.

This is comparing Munson's 10 year career vs Mauer's 9 (didn't play in '04 hardly and half a season in '11).

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10-04-2015, 09:59 PM	#2628
Twinsfan33 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 4,251 twinsfan33	Well the season is officially over. The Twins will end up the the 17th pick in the 2016 draft. I kept on telling myself through the whole season that it wouldn't last and just enjoy the ride. I did that up until the end when I really thought we could make the playoffs. When we ended up short I was pretty depressed. Then I had to remind myself that the Twins weren't expected to be near this position at all at the start of the season. Overall I'm pretty happy with where the team is going. This offseason is going to be huge for the trajectory of the team for the next 5-10 years. There is alot for Terry Ryan to do to make this ballclub a perennial contender. I think looking at moving Plouffe and or Gibson for a good young Catcher would be huge. Getting out of the Nolasco contract would be nice too. Building a solid bullpen should be one of the top priorities for TR this offseason. As we could see this season the bullpen blew quite a few games. That can't happen if we want to be contenders. This is kinda off-topic but I just wanted to hear what you guys thought about this. Is there any chance that Mauer gets into the HOF? Would him getting to 3000 hits lock it up? What about hitting 600 doubles? He's currently at 1697 hits and 343 doubles (We'll say 1700 hits and 350 doubles just to make caluations easier.) For him to get to 3000 hits he would have to get 143 hits over the next 9 years to reach that milestone. To get to 600 doubles he would have to get 32 doubles over the next 8 years to reach 600. I would LOVE for him to finish his career here but for him to accomplish these goals I think he would have to be on another team. What in your guys' mind would get him over that hump to get him into the HOF? __________________ HUGE Minnesota sports fan! PC-Joe Mauer,Twins,Twins Prospects,Vikings, Some T-Wolves and anything that catches my eye

10-05-2015, 08:52 AM	#2638
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,792 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	Pitching is first priority this offseason. I really don't want to see Plouffe or Gibson moved. I think with all of this pitching talent coming up, Gibson would be a perfect 4 in our rotation. We need to land a talented veteran to lead the rotation. If the rotation looks like this on opening day, I will be happy Veteran ace Duffey Berrios/Hughes Gibson Ervin (In no specific order) Bullpen help is also needed. Jepsen turned out to be solid so I'm happy with that trade. Perkins needs to get healthy and he will be fine. They need to land some solid middle relievers and a 7th inning guy/a fireballer who can get that needed strikeout in the late innings. If we fix all of the pitching problems and Mauer is still at 1B, I'm perfectly content with that Ok, so who do you guys think will be gone from this team? I'm thinking: Nolasco Boyer Cotts Pelfrey Torii will retire but could land a spot as a clubhouse guy. Cotts might come back on a 1 year deal for like 800K __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

10-05-2015, 10:00 AM	#2640
TTMMaster19 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: ............ Posts: 2,564 ..........	I get the feeling Torii won't come back next year. Here's a question: What would be fair trade value if we traded Mauer to another team..? __________________ 2013 Bowman Draft Set: 128/130- 98.46% 2016 Topps Pro Debut Set: 66/200-33%

10-05-2015, 10:25 AM	#2643
Hollywood42 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Minnesota Posts: 39,478 Hollywood42	I'll have more to share as I have time, but here's my thoughts on what should be our #1 priority this offseason, starting pitching- We will never be true postseason contenders until we have a rotation that can truly compete with any MLB team. Right now, we don't have anybody that is more than a #2 starter at best, and I think saying #3 would be more accurate. We found that Tyler Duffey has the stuff to be a MLB pitcher, and I think he works his way into the rotation at the start of next year. He has a nasty curve, and can strike people out. We don't have many guys like that right now. We also need Berrios in the MLB, and we need him to be the ace that everyone predicts he can be. I'm not expecting him to break spring training with the team and win 20 games, there will likely be an adjustment period. But we need him to be the ace we don't have. Next, we need to get rid of Nolasco and Pelfrey. Nolasco has NEVER given us anything on the field since we signed him, and while I like Pelfrey as a person, he gives up way too many runs and has had far too many chances with the team. It's time to cut him loose. I think we keep Trevor May in the bullpen, he did really well from the pen after being moved there. One guy I'm not sure what we do with yet is Alex Meyer. He didn't really have many chances this year, but didn't do well at all in the chances he had. Wouldn't be surprised if he starts out of the bullpen, with the chance at moving into the rotation if a slot opens up. My wish for our rotation next year: 1. Jose Berrios. 2. Ervin Santana. 3. Phil Hughes. 4. Tyler Duffey. 5. Kyle Gibson. I think that rotation, where everyone is pitching to their potential, could bring the Twins a lot of success. That being said, I would still love for us to go after a big name free agent. Don't know who is available this offseason off the top of my head, and I know we would have to pay big money for them, but I'd love to see one of the league aces in a Twins uniform. __________________ Collecting the Twins All my PC wants/haves available at hollywood42cards.com

10-05-2015, 11:27 AM	#2644
Eckstein197 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 14,792 pmwrestler220 Eckstein184	I know it's impossible but just imagine if Greinke or Price signed with the Twins. __________________ Favorite teams: TB Bucs, MIN Twins, DET Red Wings PC's: Kyle Snyder, Alstott, Tristan Wirfs, Hasek, Moritz Seider, OL/K/P/FB Contenders Autos, Red Wings Young Guns, Vintage Pokémon, NCAA Bowl Patches

10-05-2015, 01:17 PM	#2649
razorsharp Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,238	Thurman Munson isn't in the Hall of fame. How can you justify Mauer getting in if Munson isn't in? As a catcher they have almost the same exact WAR. Munson has more career hits and HR's. Again, Mauer isn't getting in because he wasn't elite for a long enough period of time.