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Old 01-08-2021, 03:18 PM   #2651
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The only reason Collins and that team has any value is because of Trae. Be careful not to bit the hand that feeds you John....hope he is a quick learner
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Old 01-08-2021, 03:19 PM   #2652
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The only reason Collins and that team has any value is because of Trae. Be careful not to bit the hand that feeds you John....hope he is a quick learner
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Old 01-08-2021, 03:28 PM   #2653
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I attended a few hawk's games last season and noticed Trae visibly frustrated with teammates.... I wonder if this feud dates back to last season.

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I’m pretty sure this is connected. This also explains his disinterest and lack of shots in the last game. Maybe he’s having his Kobe moment when Kobe decided not to shoot the ball an entire half ����#@♂️
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Old 01-08-2021, 03:54 PM   #2654
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This is what happens when you loose 3 games in a row that you should have won and your team is shooting horrible.
But the truth of the matter is that as much as I love Trae, he has to stop shooting 31 foot 3 pointers on fast breaks. This is stupid. It does not stretch the court. He tram doesn't even have time to get into rebounding position. Many times he could pass it off lower in the key for a layup or dunk. Collins said it right that they need to run more sets rather than take those stupid shots. Deep 3s are getting out of control...
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Old 01-08-2021, 04:51 PM   #2655
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ATL is not even in the discussion without Trae. Maybe he should just be a distributor and see how far they go. He would be called selfish and whatnot, but he can show them better than he can tell them.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:56 PM   #2656
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I’m pretty sure this is connected. This also explains his disinterest and lack of shots in the last game. Maybe he’s having his Kobe moment when Kobe decided not to shoot the ball an entire half ����#@♂️
Kobe played defense.

Also Kobe had multiple rings at this point. Trae hasn't earned the right to "have a kobe moment" yet.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:56 PM   #2657
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Kobe played defense.

Also Kobe had multiple rings at this point. Trae hasn't earned the right to "have a kobe moment" yet.
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Old 01-08-2021, 07:05 PM   #2658
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Kobe played defense.



Also Kobe had multiple rings at this point. Trae hasn't earned the right to "have a kobe moment" yet.
It could be a false memory, but didn't he have some conflict with teammates while at Oklahoma?

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Old 01-08-2021, 07:11 PM   #2659
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This is why you have a coaching staff, time to go to work.
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Old 01-08-2021, 09:34 PM   #2660
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ATL is not even in the discussion without Trae. Maybe he should just be a distributor and see how far they go. He would be called selfish and whatnot, but he can show them better than he can tell them.
Being selfish and acting petulantly is not the answer.
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Old 01-08-2021, 11:00 PM   #2661
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Being selfish and acting petulantly is not the answer.
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This is what happens when you loose 3 games in a row that you should have won and your team is shooting horrible.
But the truth of the matter is that as much as I love Trae, he has to stop shooting 31 foot 3 pointers on fast breaks. This is stupid. It does not stretch the court. He tram doesn't even have time to get into rebounding position. Many times he could pass it off lower in the key for a layup or dunk. Collins said it right that they need to run more sets rather than take those stupid shots. Deep 3s are getting out of control...


^^ this guy is one of the biggest Trae fan/collectors on this board. Refreshing to see takes like this. We all know Trae is a superstar. That does not make him without his faults.

John Collins has been super under-utilized this season so far, so maybe JC was speaking out with a motive, but nonetheless he was right. Also, this kinda stuff happens on every team from pros to church league. You just don’t hear about it much. Locker room leak is the real issue.


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Old 01-08-2021, 11:07 PM   #2662
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I’m pretty sure this is connected. This also explains his disinterest and lack of shots in the last game. Maybe he’s having his Kobe moment when Kobe decided not to shoot the ball an entire half ����#@♂️
What Kobe moment? Kobe did not shoot the ball in order to help out with the ball movement early on. He was trying to get his teammates involved. Trae didn't seem to try shooting or facilitating much in that game.
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Old 01-08-2021, 11:29 PM   #2663
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What Kobe moment? Kobe did not shoot the ball in order to help out with the ball movement early on. He was trying to get his teammates involved. Trae didn't seem to try shooting or facilitating much in that game.

This. If you watched that Lakers Suns game he was totally into it. His teammates were inept in the second half of that game with turnovers and missed layups. Also they lost to the Suns multiple times that season where he had big scoring games so that isn’t always the answer. The Suns also shot over 60% in that game 7 if I remember correctly. Trae doesn’t have the equity to do what some think Kobe did.


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Old 01-08-2021, 11:40 PM   #2664
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What Kobe moment? Kobe did not shoot the ball in order to help out with the ball movement early on. He was trying to get his teammates involved. Trae didn't seem to try shooting or facilitating much in that game.
2006 1st round, Lakers vs Suns;
Lakers were up 3-1 in the series, Suns tie it up 3-3.
Then Game 7 came...

"Attempting to finish one of the greatest upsets in Laker history in Game 7, Bryant scored 23 points in the first half, yet the Lakers trailed 60-45. It was clear then that Bryant just didn't have enough help. He was burdened with Kwame Brown's slowness, Smush Parker's foolishness, and other pieces that just didn't fit.

In the second half, a frustrated Bryant seemingly made this point when he stopped shooting and, some say, stopped playing. He took only three shots in the half, scored but one point, and the Lakers lost the game, 121-90."

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Old 01-09-2021, 12:04 AM   #2665
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Kobe’s game vs Suns was approximately 10000x weirder, and it’s amazing that the narrative has changed, even for some, to Kobe desperately trying to get his teammates involved..
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:16 PM   #2666
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Trae with 3 very quick assists to start the game.

I bet him to score big this game so we'll see if it opens up for him.
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:19 PM   #2667
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Being selfish and acting petulantly is not the answer.
Probably not. Reminds me of DK mad because he not getting the ball. They try and pick 6
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Old 01-09-2021, 07:44 PM   #2668
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Trae looks broken. Not sure what is going on.
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Old 01-09-2021, 08:35 PM   #2669
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Kobe’s game vs Suns was approximately 10000x weirder, and it’s amazing that the narrative has changed, even for some, to Kobe desperately trying to get his teammates involved..
Cause he had been doing that many times in that season, trying to get his teammates reengage into the game. If that was a one time thing and there were no precedent, you might be right. But since he had been doing that throughout the season, sometimes with a win and double digit assists, I wouldn't doubt his intention.
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Old 01-09-2021, 08:48 PM   #2670
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Trae looks broken. Not sure what is going on.
He's not getting to the line. He's not trying to milk those fouls. No idea what changed because that kept their score ticking over.

Their depth just isn't there with Gallo, Dunn, Rondo and now Bogie out.

They still need more Trae/Collins pick and roll.

We might see a coach firing here.
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Old 01-09-2021, 09:17 PM   #2671
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Seems Trae is lost after the issue with Collins, feel frustrate at all. He is not having his confidence to shoot and distracted. The management has to do something in quick.
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Old 01-09-2021, 09:28 PM   #2672
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Old 01-09-2021, 10:04 PM   #2673
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Haven’t watched the hawks since they last won. Good thing I didn’t sell any Trae when he was on fire. I’d be eating them eBay fees on returns.
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Amazing to me how many people have never heard of such a thing as a slump or an off game. You all must have been quite the athletes in your days!


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Amazing to me how many people have never heard of such a thing as a slump or an off game. You all must have been quite the athletes in your days!


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Me and my 4.7 ppg senior year never went into a slump...

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