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[whodatbeastly16]

Lol at the sad little Dame fan in here who's still salty over the sweep 3 years ago. We get it dude, Dame's underrated. We've been hearing that for years. Facts: For being a premier player in the league, Damian Lillard has vastly underperformed. He has never won anything, yet you want to come in here and clown on Zion 50 games in? What has Damian Lillard done since he's so underrated?

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Some good deals right now for the money that will do well in the long term IMO:

Revolution parallels (Cosmic and Impact)

Premium Chromium Chronicles serials (Esp. Phoenix/Crusade maybe flux)

Net Marvels

Select Silver

Random question, how do you guys think Chronicles Phoenix and Crusade silvers will fare in the long term? They are really affordable right now and don’t seem like bad bargain buys.


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For what it’s worth, I’m staying away from the Chronicles silvers. There seems....to be a ton of them. Honestly I’ll probably stay away from silvers out of any set moving forward. They aren’t very rare anymore.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

For what it’s worth, I’m staying away from the Chronicles silvers. There seems....to be a ton of them. Honestly I’ll probably stay away from silvers out of any set moving forward. They aren’t very rare anymore.

I’ll admit I’m generally not a silver fan, but I think these look pretty sweet for 100 bucks. Also select silvers between 3 and 400 dollars seem like a great buy as well.

I generally like lower pop stuff as well, but I don’t think the hobby is going to forget about the shiny stuff just yet. I mean they are essentially just Panini refractors.


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[Wade Mulroy]

Ugh, BI was a brick wall in the Pels offense coming down the stretch last night. How do you not force the ball to Zion the last possession and let him make a decision?

Anyone still arguing Zion isn’t the best player on this team?

I love BI, but him catching the ball and calling for a clear-out 90% of the time drives me absolutely insane.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

I’ll admit I’m generally not a silver fan, but I think these look pretty sweet for 100 bucks. Also select silvers between 3 and 400 dollars seem like a great buy as well.

I generally like lower pop stuff as well, but I don’t think the hobby is going to forget about the shiny stuff just yet. I mean they are essentially just Panini refractors.


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Don’t get me wrong. I love the look of silvers but theyre just everywhere now. But they are still liquid. I’m just buying numbered stuff from here on out mainly because it’s damn near impossible to keep up with all the parallels now.

I’ve also thrown my cardboard money into collectible gifs the past couple months so my opinion probably shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Ugh, BI was a brick wall in the Pels offense coming down the stretch last night. How do you not force the ball to Zion the last possession and let him make a decision?

Anyone still arguing Zion isn’t the best player on this team?

I love BI, but him catching the ball and calling for a clear-out 90% of the time drives me absolutely insane.

I was one who was screaming that this team needs BI to give them a solid 1-2 punch. I’m changing my tune. BI is a legit offensive star but he is trying way too hard to be the alpha. I hate to say it but I don’t think BI and Zion will ever mesh well together.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I was one who was screaming that this team needs BI to give them a solid 1-2 punch. I’m changing my tune. BI is a legit offensive star but he is trying way too hard to be the alpha. I hate to say it but I don’t think BI and Zion will ever mesh well together.

BI + Zion could absolutely be devastating, but it's like BI can't accept being the #2 option.

He's so fun to watch early in games when he gets hot shooting mid-range jumpers and keeping the offense fluid. It never fails that he ultimately disappears around the 3rd quarter and then tries to make it all up playing hero ball in the 4th.

As goofy as it sounds, this Pels team is literally a handful of possessions away from being above .500 on the season, but they're unwilling to accept what will make them win.

Lonzo can't accept that he's not a premier scorer and doesn't know when to stop after he's gone cold.

BI can't accept that Zion should be the first option and allow the game to come to him, instead of forcing it.

That's why you see the 2nd unit look so good at times, because Kira, Hernangomez, JJ, Josh Hart, etc. all know their roles and how the offense should operate. The 1st squad can't get over themselves enough to realize they don't need to each be taking a minimum of 15+ shots a game. Bledsoe is guilty at times as well.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

I was one who was screaming that this team needs BI to give them a solid 1-2 punch. I’m changing my tune. BI is a legit offensive star but he is trying way too hard to be the alpha. I hate to say it but I don’t think BI and Zion will ever mesh well together.

Inclined to agree. BI is definitely talented, but I’m just surprised SVG has allowed Ingram to carry on with his alpha charade this long without reining him in. It’s insanity when you have Zion on the floor, especially in the final minutes.

They desperately need three point shooting and defense, not an iso guy to complement Zion. Maybe they could find a team who needs an alpha and get the assets they need to become a contender.

I think Ingram is talented too, but I also think that in his own mind he’s Kobe. I like confidence, but unless you have a proven track record of hitting contested daggers, give the ball up.


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[DiamondDonovan]

Ingram is still finding his place; what he's doing this year and last is what Lakers fan expected from him when he got drafted. He never fit into their offense and now we are seeing the fitment issues with his style and Zion's.

Zion was unstoppable last night and they had time to set up a play to allow Zion to take it to the hoop. Instead not sure what SVG drew up and was thinking for the last play. Either way, yesterday's game was a typical Pelicans loss. Build up a lead in the 2nd half, start missing everything in 3rd quarter and blow the lead to eventually lose the game.

[beavers]

He is 14th in ppg and 41st in shots per game. He should be taking 20+ shots per game. You don’t have to know much about basketball to know he needs to take more shots.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by beavers

He is 14th in ppg and 41st in shots per game. He should be taking 20+ shots per game. You don’t have to know much about basketball to know he needs to take more shots.

Not until Ingram, Lonzo, and Bled each get their 15+ first. Fatboi needs to learn his place and make sure the superstar veterans eat first.

Elton "Z-Bo" Oden 2.0 isn't even 21 years old yet, so until he stops walking funny, SVG is gonna make him waddle his booty over to the corner to clear-out for iso-ball so the ex-Lakers can bring back Showtime to New Orleans.

[Durantula]

I really like what I’m seeing from Zion! Lives up to the hype and will only get better

[rifleman69]

3 words: Stan Van Gundy

One horrible coach

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by rifleman69

3 words: Stan Van Gundy

One horrible coach

SVG is actually a great coach who revolutionized the 3 ball (which became even more emphasized by Curry). I wish he was still coaching in Orlando.

But he might not be a great fit for NO since they are a pretty terrible 3 point team?

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by whodatbeastly16

Lol at the sad little Dame fan in here who's still salty over the sweep 3 years ago. We get it dude, Dame's underrated. We've been hearing that for years. Facts: For being a premier player in the league, Damian Lillard has vastly underperformed. He has never won anything, yet you want to come in here and clown on Zion 50 games in? What has Damian Lillard done since he's so underrated?

You are wrong. Dame has had some amazing moments and is a winning player. Winning in the West playoffs is not easy...

[rustywest]

I tried to create a Pelicans thread with some level headed team discussion but it failed miserably. RIP to that thread. People just love the drama over here huh... I'm out.

Hopefully by seasons end Zion can be averaging 50 shots a game Ok

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by rustywest

I tried to create a Pelicans thread with some level headed team discussion but it failed miserably. RIP to that thread. People just love the drama over here huh... I'm out.

Hopefully by seasons end Zion can be averaging 50 shots a game Ok

2nd half stats last night:

Lonzo: 1-6 shooting
BI: 2-7 shooting
Zion: 7-10 shooting (along with 70% FT)

No one is wanting or expecting Zion to take your hyperbolic 50 shots per game, but down the stretch in key possessions, who else would you want?

The difference between teams that win (Portland) and teams that lose (Pelicans) is the ball was in Dame's hands every possession when it mattered at the end of the game.

What do the Pelicans do? Go away from the presence that has kept you in the game and let the two guys chuck bricks while they're laying eggs the entire 2nd half.

What's the argument against letting Zion make the decision on the last possession? I'm not even necessarily wanting him to take the last shot, but he's demonstrated that he knows when to take and when to dish. Keeping it out of his hands isn't even giving him the option of being a factor. Not to mention, neither BI or Lonzo are stone-cold killers at the end of a game to where you expect them to clutch it out.

If nothing else, let Zion touch the ball, have the defense collapse on him (as expected) and dump it to the open man. Easy.

[rustywest]

Yes its intentional hyperbole

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by rustywest

Yes its intentional hyperbole

Sorry if I misinterpreted, but it seemed as if you disagreed with a lot of our frustration at the ending of last night's game.

Just trying to make the case that it's not about Zion taking the last shot, per se; but rather him not even getting a touch.

[dunkindutchmen]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

2nd half stats last night:

Lonzo: 1-6 shooting
BI: 2-7 shooting
Zion: 7-10 shooting (along with 70% FT)

No one is wanting or expecting Zion to take your hyperbolic 50 shots per game, but down the stretch in key possessions, who else would you want?

The difference between teams that win (Portland) and teams that lose (Pelicans) is the ball was in Dame's hands every possession when it mattered at the end of the game.

What do the Pelicans do? Go away from the presence that has kept you in the game and let the two guys chuck bricks while they're laying eggs the entire 2nd half.

What's the argument against letting Zion make the decision on the last possession? I'm not even necessarily wanting him to take the last shot, but he's demonstrated that he knows when to take and when to dish. Keeping it out of his hands isn't even giving him the option of being a factor. Not to mention, neither BI or Lonzo are stone-cold killers at the end of a game to where you expect them to clutch it out.

If nothing else, let Zion touch the ball, have the defense collapse on him (as expected) and dump it to the open man. Easy.

I assume SVG and most of the players know Zion is the best player on the team, but maybe Ingram doesn't, and since he's a more complete player at this time, it's easier for him to have the higher usage at the end of the game.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

I assume SVG and most of the players know Zion is the best player on the team, but maybe Ingram doesn't, and since he's a more complete player at this time, it's easier for him to have the higher usage at the end of the game.

I don't care if BI takes the last shot, that's fine. Defenses have demonstrated time and time again they are going to collapse around Zion and will double or triple-team him, especially late in games.

Give Zion the ball and let him read the defense. Run a two-man game with he and BI. If the defense collapses, BI has an open shot to tie or win the game.

Instead, this team loves to give it to BI at the top of the key so he can become a statue while half the shot clock drains, then get a rushed, contested fade-away that falls a quarter of the time.

I don't think any defense is worried about BI driving the basketball on them. I guarantee you that 100% of the teams in the league would prefer that Zion never touches the ball with the game on the line. Giving BI his iso-ball hero moment is an absolute win for every other team. Not to mention, if it gets forced out to Lonzo, that's just the icing on top.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

I don't care if BI takes the last shot, that's fine. Defenses have demonstrated time and time again they are going to collapse around Zion and will double or triple-team him, especially late in games.

Give Zion the ball and let him read the defense. Run a two-man game with he and BI. If the defense collapses, BI has an open shot to tie or win the game.

Instead, this team loves to give it to BI at the top of the key so he can become a statue while half the shot clock drains, then get a rushed, contested fade-away that falls a quarter of the time.

I don't think any defense is worried about BI driving the basketball on them. I guarantee you that 100% of the teams in the league would prefer that Zion never touches the ball with the game on the line. Giving BI his iso-ball hero moment is an absolute win for every other team. Not to mention, if it gets forced out to Lonzo, that's just the icing on top.

yeah not to mention his free throw percentage is actually pretty respectable lately, so fouling isn't always an option to stop him, and he's become like the And1 king...he'll probably just score the basket anyhow and get fouled.

[dunkindutchmen]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

I don't care if BI takes the last shot, that's fine. Defenses have demonstrated time and time again they are going to collapse around Zion and will double or triple-team him, especially late in games.

Give Zion the ball and let him read the defense. Run a two-man game with he and BI. If the defense collapses, BI has an open shot to tie or win the game.

Instead, this team loves to give it to BI at the top of the key so he can become a statue while half the shot clock drains, then get a rushed, contested fade-away that falls a quarter of the time.

I don't think any defense is worried about BI driving the basketball on them. I guarantee you that 100% of the teams in the league would prefer that Zion never touches the ball with the game on the line. Giving BI his iso-ball hero moment is an absolute win for every other team. Not to mention, if it gets forced out to Lonzo, that's just the icing on top.

I agree with you but these things are always much more complex than they appear. BI is a max player with a big ego -- he's stated he wants to be the best in the game -- and that means he's going to want to prove himself. It's going to take BI deciding he wants to win more than validate himself in order to defer more to Zion at the end of games. Or SVG can do it the hard way and tell him how it needs to be, but that's always the more difficult, nuclear option, because it can go south, quick.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

yeah not to mention his free throw percentage is actually pretty respectable lately, so fouling isn't always an option to stop him, and he's become like the And1 king...he'll probably just score the basket anyhow and get fouled.

If the 51 games Zion has played in his NBA career have told us anything, it's that teams have absolutely no idea how to stop him from getting to the basket.

The detractors love to mention how one-dimensional his game is, yet no other NBA team can figure out how to keep him from getting 25+ points a night while shooting 65% or better.

It's absolutely mind bottling that you don't let him even touch the ball on the last possession with the game on the line. Even if you want him purely as a decoy, let him touch the ball while 3 defenders collapse on him and create an open shot for BI or whoever else you want.

Or, another crazy idea is to give him the ball and let him create. He's done a pretty good job, so far, right?

I just don't get it.

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

I agree with you but these things are always much more complex than they appear. BI is a max player with a big ego -- he's stated he wants to be the best in the game -- and that means he's going to want to prove himself. It's going to take BI deciding he wants to win more than validate himself in order to defer more to Zion at the end of games. Or SVG can do it the hard way and tell him how it needs to be, but that's always the more difficult, nuclear option, because it can go south, quick.

I agree - I completely understand BI wants to be "the guy" in that situation.

I'm just having a hard time understanding anyone that is trying to argue against Zion getting a touch in that situation. That's all.