**Official Luka Doncic Thread**

[Onepocketj]

NT 1/1 at 2.75 million with 1.5 hours to go at PWCC.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

NT 1/1 at 2.75 million with 1.5 hours to go at PWCC.

Will the seller lose over/under $1M?

[jmcca170]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Will the seller lose over/under $1M?

Is this the card that sold for 4m ??


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[al3xmac10]

Originally Posted by jmcca170

Is this the card that sold for 4m ??


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It seems it sold for $4.6M last March 2021.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by al3xmac10

It seems it sold for $4.6M last March 2021.

I don't think too many people believed that one but we'll never know.

[imbluestreak23]

Was gonna say is he now liquidating everything?

[BosPats1980]

If you look at the bill it included other items that equal $1.8 Million and he wrote the check for $4 Million. So wouldn't that actually put the Luka at $2.2 Million?? I'm sure we will actually never know for sure

[RogerGodahell]

Looks like it sold for $3.12M. We'll probably never know if the private sale was legit.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/18/luka-...llion-auction/

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by BosPats1980

If you look at the bill it included other items that equal $1.8 Million and he wrote the check for $4 Million. So wouldn't that actually put the Luka at $2.2 Million?? I'm sure we will actually never know for sure

It said 5.8 total with the other cards included at least from memory without seeing the picture.

[RogerGodahell]

NVM i'm an idiot the picture is right above. Yes 5.88M total.

[tjforce]

Luka Guys... congrats on your PC guy having one of the highest public sales of a sports card ever.

$3.1MM for a guy in this stage of his career is and INSANE amount of money. This isn't LeBron, or Brady, or Curry, who could walk away today with legacy intact. This is a guy who has everything left to prove, and the believe is so strong that someone is willing to pay over $3MM for is best card.

Awesome thing, IMO.

[byronscott4ever]

Funny how the hobby says it was a loss…and non-hobby says biggest public sale ever…and both could be right

But there’s no way to prove the private sale and it could be a sneaky comp..or it’s a fake out

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Luka Guys... congrats on your PC guy having one of the highest public sales of a sports card ever.

$3.1MM for a guy in this stage of his career is and INSANE amount of money. This isn't LeBron, or Brady, or Curry, who could walk away today with legacy intact. This is a guy who has everything left to prove, and the believe is so strong that someone is willing to pay over $3MM for is best card.

Awesome thing, IMO.

That’s a very nice way of saying he’s accomplished nothing to justify the price. I agree with you, he’s an amazing player, fun to watch, and seems like a nice guy but this is stupid money for someone that hasn’t been close to a title and best mvp finish was fourth several seasons ago.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

That’s a very nice way of saying he’s accomplished nothing to justify the price. I agree with you, he’s an amazing player, fun to watch, and seems like a nice guy but this is stupid money for someone that hasn’t been close to a title and best mvp finish was fourth several seasons ago.

I'm not going to deny that it's stupid money.

But saying "several seasons ago" when it's only Luka's only played 4 full seasons is a weird way to categorize it.

Also Luka was maybe the most accomplished rookie ever the moment he got drafted. Obviously he's gotta get many more NBA accomplishments, but aside from being drafted into a contender, there's not much more he can do than what he's shown so far - he's basically gotten the Mavs to overachieve every year.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

That’s a very nice way of saying he’s accomplished nothing to justify the price. I agree with you, he’s an amazing player, fun to watch, and seems like a nice guy but this is stupid money for someone that hasn’t been close to a title and best mvp finish was fourth several seasons ago.

I won't be that harsh.

The potential is there. He may very well be a top 5 guy all time one day, and you can't say that about most guys. He projects to be the best player on the planet in a couple years.

But you could have said that same thing 3 into Andrew Luck's career. And I don't at all expect that, but the point is that for there to be a $3MM market on a card for that kind of risk (even if low), that's a strong market.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I'm not going to deny that it's stupid money.

But saying "several seasons ago" when it's only Luka's only played 4 full seasons is a weird way to categorize it.

Also Luka was maybe the most accomplished rookie ever the moment he got drafted. Obviously he's gotta get many more NBA accomplishments, but aside from being drafted into a contender, there's not much more he can do than what he's shown so far - he's basically gotten the Mavs to overachieve every year.

I don't think it's a conversation about im not doing enough the live up to the hype yet, it's more about the fact that unforeseen things do happen, and if they did in his scenario, there's no floor of real accomplishment to catch him. Can't say the same about the more experienced guys I mentioned before. Again, I don't think it goes down that way. I think the floor to catch him is closer to if he *only* wins 1 title, 2 MVPs, and finishes as a top 20 player.

And also, Lew Alcindor is the most accomplished rookie ever, whether you are talking about what he did before he was drafted or that plus his rookie year. Let's have some respect for the history of the game

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I'm not going to deny that it's stupid money.

But saying "several seasons ago" when it's only Luka's only played 4 full seasons is a weird way to categorize it.

Also Luka was maybe the most accomplished rookie ever the moment he got drafted. Obviously he's gotta get many more NBA accomplishments, but aside from being drafted into a contender, there's not much more he can do than what he's shown so far - he's basically gotten the Mavs to overachieve every year.

thats a good point and i agree with you. still, were talking about spending millions, millions, on a basketball card featuring a player with no mvp or nba title. thats crazy to me. obviously if youre going to gamble on a player, hes the leading candidate but there are so many things that can happen over the next decade. it should be a fun journey and i wish the best for him.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

thats a good point and i agree with you. still, were talking about spending millions, millions, on a basketball card featuring a player with no mvp or nba title. thats crazy to me. obviously if youre going to gamble on a player, hes the leading candidate but there are so many things that can happen over the next decade. it should be a fun journey and i wish the best for him.

Oh for sure. Luka is my top hold right now but every so often I'm worried we'll see a Joshua Primo-style story and then it all goes to zero.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Love Luka and all but man a lot of his future success is baked into his price already.

[RogerGodahell]

People who spend that kind of money on cards live in a different world then the rest of us. Something most of us will probably never have to worry about. There's a lot of people in the world who have unfathomable wealth.

[jrnelson]

I know Luka has not won a NBA championship or the NBA MVP yet, but you compare his basketball career to 95% of basketball plays (NBA or any other league) current or past and not come close to the accomplishments he has already achieved. Its just craze what he has done at the age of only 23!

Career highlights and awards
3× NBA All-Star (2020–2022)
3× All-NBA First Team (2020–2022)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2019)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2019)
EuroLeague champion (2018)
EuroLeague MVP (2018)
EuroLeague Final Four MVP (2018)
All-EuroLeague First Team (2018)
2× EuroLeague Rising Star (2017, 2018)
EuroLeague 2010–20 All-Decade Team (2020)
Euroscar Player of the Year (2019)
3× Liga ACB champion (2015, 2016, 2018)
Liga ACB MVP (2018)
All-Liga ACB First Team (2018)
2× ACB Best Young Player (2017, 2018)
3× ACB All-Young Players Team (2016–2018)
2× Spanish King's Cup winner (2016, 2017)
2× Trofeo Costa de Sol champion (2016, 2017)
FIBA Intercontinental Cup champion (2015)
EB Next Generation Tournament champion (2015)
EB Next Generation Tournament MVP (2015)
Slovenian Sportsman of the Year (2018)

NBA achievements

Regular season
First teenager to record four career triple-doubles in NBA history.[239]
Broke Jason Kidd's Mavericks franchise record (21) of most triple-doubles with 22 in just 122 NBA games.[240]
Most triple-doubles in a season (17) before turning 22 years old (2019–20 season). Previously held by Ben Simmons (12 in 2017–18).[239]
Youngest player in NBA history to lead the league outright in triple-doubles (21 years, 168 days old). Previously held by Magic Johnson.[241]
Twenty straight games with at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists, the most since the 1976–77 ABA–NBA merger. Previously held by Michael Jordan with 18 consecutive games.[242]
First player since Tim Duncan to be selected to All-NBA First Team in a player's first or second season.[143]
Second-fewest games played to record 35 career triple-doubles(190). Previously held by Magic Johnson(204).[243]
Third-fewest games played to reach 4,000 career points since the ABA–NBA merger (Michael Jordan, Shaquille O’Neal).[142]

First player in NBA history to record:
a 30-point triple-double (35 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists) as a teenager.[244]
two triple-doubles before the age of 20.[245]
a 35-point triple-double in a game with 26 minutes or fewer played (35 points, 10 rebounds, and 11 assists in 25:30).[246]
30+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in a game with 30 minutes or fewer played (31 points, 12 rebounds, and 15 assists in 30:05).[247]
36+ points, 14+ rebounds, and 19+ assists in a game (regular season or playoffs).[239]
multiple 30-point triple-doubles in games with 30 minutes or fewer played.[248]
multiple 40-point triple-doubles before turning 21 years old.[249]
over 20 career triple-doubles at age 21 or younger.[239]
ten career 35-point triple-doubles before turning 22 years old.[239]
200+ points, 50+ rebounds, and 50+ assists through the first six games of a season.[183]

Second player in NBA history to:
average 21+ points, 7+ rebounds, and 6+ assists per game in a rookie season (Oscar Robertson).[239]
average 28 points, 9 rebounds, and 8 assists per game multiple seasons (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in 50 of their first 100 career games (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record 2,000+ points, 750+ rebounds, and 500+ assists in their first 100 career games (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record 3,000+ points, 1,100+ rebounds, and 950+ assists in the first two seasons of their career (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record 4,000+ points and 1,000+ assists before turning 22 years old (LeBron James).[239]
record at least 35 points and 19 assists in a triple-double (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record 10+ 30-point triple-doubles in the first two seasons of their career (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record a 30+ point, 20+ rebound triple-double, and a 30+ point, 20+ assist triple-double (Oscar Robertson).[239]
record 25 career triple-doubles in the first two seasons of their career (Oscar Robertson).[239]
score 30 or more points in the first eight games of a season (Wilt Chamberlain).[190]

Third player in NBA history to:
average at least 28 points, 9 rebounds, and 8 assists in a season (Oscar Robertson, Russell Westbrook).[239]
record at least 12 30-point triple-doubles in a season (Oscar Robertson, Russell Westbrook).
record 30+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 19+ assists in multiple games (Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson).[239]
record 40 triple-doubles in their first four seasons (Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson).[239]

Fourth player in NBA history to record:
at least 35 points and 19 assists in a game (Oscar Robertson, Tiny Archibald, Kevin Johnson).[239]
34+ points, 20+ rebounds, and 12+ assists in a game (Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar).[239]
30+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 20+ assists in a game (Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Russell Westbrook).[239]
35+ points, 15+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in a game (Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, James Harden).[239]
25+ points, 15+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in multiple games (Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird).[239]
at least 27 points, 7 rebounds, and 8 assists per game in multiple seasons (Oscar Robertson, LeBron James, Russell Westbrook).[250]

Fifth player in NBA history to average:
at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in a rookie season (Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Tyreke Evans).[239]
a 30-point triple-double in a ten-game span (Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Russell Westbrook, LeBron James).[251]

Youngest player in NBA history to record:
three triple-doubles.[109]
20 points, 15 rebounds, and 15 assists in a game.[239]
30 points, 10 rebounds, and 20 assists in a game (22 years, 62 days old).[239]
30 points, 20 rebounds, and 10 assists in a game (21 years, 158 days old).[239]
35 points, 10 rebounds, and 15 assists in a game (21 years, 162 days old). Previously held by Michael Jordan.[239]
35-point triple-doubles in succession, breaking Oscar Robertson's record.[252]

Playoffs
NBA record 42 points in an NBA playoff debut.[253]

First player in NBA history to record:
43+ points, 17+ rebounds, and 13+ assists in a playoff game.[239]
three triple-doubles in their first seven career playoff games.[239]
multiple 30-point triple-doubles at the age of 22 or younger.[254]
250+ points, 70+ rebounds, and 70+ assists through their first eight career playoff games.[255]

Second player in NBA history to record:
70 total points in their first two career playoff games (George Mikan, 75 points in 1949).[256]
two triple-doubles in their first four career playoff games (Magic Johnson).[153]
40+ points, and 14+ assists in a playoff game (LeBron James).[142]

Third player in NBA history to record:
40+ points, 15+ rebounds, and 10+ assists in a playoff game (Oscar Robertson, Charles Barkley).[239]
300+ points through their first nine career playoff games (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Michael Jordan).[153]
900+ points through their first 28 career playoff games (Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain).[257]

Fifth player in NBA history to:
have 40+ points and hit a buzzer-beater in a playoff game (Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, Damian Lillard).[258]
average at least 30 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assists in a playoff series (Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Russell Westbrook, LeBron James).[259]
record 44+ points, 9+ rebounds, and 9+ assists in a playoff game (Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Russell Westbrook, LeBron James).[239]

Youngest player in NBA history to:
hit a playoff buzzer-beater at 21 years and 177 days old.[260]
record a 40-point triple-double in a playoff game.[239]

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jrnelson

I know Luka has not won a NBA championship or the NBA MVP yet, but you compare his basketball career to 95% of basketball plays (NBA or any other league) current or past and not come close to the accomplishments he has already achieved. Its just craze what he has done at the age of only 23!

Absolutely... but how many other current athletes in the big 3 have a card that would do or has done even a Million?
-LeBron
-Curry
-Giannis
-Maybe Durant or Zion
-Brady
-Mahomes
-Herbert
-Burrow
-Trout

I've highlighted the names with almost no backstop if things really went sideways. Italicized the ones who's accomplishments have secured them enough to where what they do on the field from here on out doesn't really matter that much in the long run.

So the risk isn't that he isn't going to pan out to be a super star (he already is), it's the risk that things just don't go well enough to put him as a top 10 player all time. Which is probably where he'd need to be for this to work out.

[RogerGodahell]

Josh Green and C Wood need to start and play more minutes. Bullock or DFS one of them need to come off the bench along with Powell. They are straight up 3&D players with no ability to attack the basket or create a shot off the dribble. Green and Wood can do those things and give them more flexibility in their offense.

They are living and dying by the 3 ball outside of Doncic, Dinwiddie, and Wood. When Dinwiddie shoots 3-18 like last game they are dead in the water. No ability from anyone else to create. That is why they need more Green and Wood on the court until they upgrade the wing position or get a third ball handler. Missing JB is hurting them right now. Ideally you want a few 3&D guys who can also put the ball on the floor and create their own shot if need be. Other teams are trapping and doubling Luka to make other players perform and beat them and they haven't been converting often enough this year. A big reason for that is because all they always settle for 3's in those situations. Saying "the shots didn't fall tonight, better luck next time" isn't good enough. Get the guys on the court or get some better players who can take it to the basket in those 4 on 3 situations.

[GOATMJ]

And to think there has never been a Michael Jordan card sold for that much EVER is nuts.

[al3xmac10]

Big Papa Bear Saša Dončić courtside in Dallas watching his son discombobulate the Nuggets.