**Official Luka Doncic Thread** - Page 1075

TSonn · 11-22-2022, 11:26 AM

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I see a lot of parallels with luka and Lebron. Luka fan bois have resorted to blaming Lukas team success for Lukas short comings. Will luka get to half of what Lebron has earned. I doubt it. Keep paying Millions for luka gold….. Lebron got to the finals with nothing, can luka?

What are Luka's shortcomings and how are those impacting the games (especially the losses) this season?

pingbling23 · 11-22-2022, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TSonn

What are Luka's shortcomings and how are those impacting the games (especially the losses) this season?

He’s gotta figure out how to get the most out his teammates and make them better. He’s a brilliant player but only 2 playoff series wins? That’s a problem. One that can be easily fixed, he just needs to start winning.

Sirwin30 · 11-22-2022, 05:37 PM

Or needs to get out of Dallas? Haha I mean, the second best player they had last year was Brunson and they let him go. Cuban hasn’t made any moves to get him surrounded by talent. This team without Luka is comparable to Lebron Cleveland nba finals team. Maybe worse

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al3xmac10 · 11-22-2022, 11:46 PM

dkcardman · 11-23-2022, 08:40 AM

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So nice! I am so jealous! Lol

Metsfan1991 · 11-23-2022, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirwin30

Or needs to get out of Dallas? Haha I mean, the second best player they had last year was Brunson and they let him go. Cuban hasn’t made any moves to get him surrounded by talent. This team without Luka is comparable to Lebron Cleveland nba finals team. Maybe worse

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KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 09:30 AM

Look at the competition in the East during the 2000s versus the competition in the West today. LeBron made one Finals before needing to join a super team to get there again. That year, they went up against a .500 Wizards team without Arenas and Butler; a .500 Nets team with Kidd, VC, and nothing else; and a good Pistons team who had lost Ben Wallace. Then they got demolished by the Spurs.

pingbling23 · 11-23-2022, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Look at the competition in the East during the 2000s versus the competition in the West today. LeBron made one Finals before needing to join a super team to get there again. That year, they went up against a .500 Wizards team without Arenas and Butler; a .500 Nets team with Kidd, VC, and nothing else; and a good Pistons team who had lost Ben Wallace. Then they got demolished by the Spurs.

You left out Richard Jefferson. Having 3 all star quality players on your team was much less common then. While the cavs had a pretty terrible team talent was spread across the league more so and most of the stacked” teams were out west. So the east was competitive and Lebron lead his team to wins and the finals with the worst supporting cast in history. Something luka is going to have to figure out.

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 11:01 AM

Poor ping. Lakers 5-11. LeBron can’t stay healthy again. Scoring title might have to wait until next year.

Now resorting to trolling the Luka thread and Curry in the NBA thread because he’s got nothing else to talk about. Sad, sad man.

Ra3 · 11-23-2022, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Look at the competition in the East during the 2000s versus the competition in the West today. LeBron made one Finals before needing to join a super team to get there again. That year, they went up against a .500 Wizards team without Arenas and Butler; a .500 Nets team with Kidd, VC, and nothing else; and a good Pistons team who had lost Ben Wallace. Then they got demolished by the Spurs.

Agreed with all of the above. And it’s not like the Mavs were that far away…Luka was a game away from where Lebron got his team last year. And he was 23. The roster he had on the Mavs was terrible, with Brunson as the #2, and this years roster is even worse.

People crap on the Cavs roster that year, but Ilgauskas was coming off an All-star season. Hughes was a First-Team Defensive all-NBA player as well. Lebron dragged that team there, but there’s an argument to be made that the Mavs are worse for sure

RogerGodahell · 11-23-2022, 11:04 AM

No one on this Mavs team other than Luka will be remember 15 years from now either. If they didn't run into the Warriors in the WCF who will go down as one of the greatest era teams of all time, they'd probably have made the finals as well. Neither team outside Luka or LeBron is good, trying to compare their shtty rosters is just splitting hairs. Dallas problems are very deep though because the FO has made terrible decisions for several years now like over 5. They've traded away almost every asset they have (draft picks) and they have no other players besides Luka that anyone wants. Terrible decision making by the FO.

pingbling23 · 11-23-2022, 01:34 PM

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Poor ping. Lakers 5-11. LeBron can’t stay healthy again. Scoring title might have to wait until next year.

Now resorting to trolling the Luka thread and Curry in the NBA thread because he’s got nothing else to talk about. Sad, sad man.

If you think this is trolling what do you call what you do?

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 01:35 PM

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If you think this is trolling what do you call what you do?

#@#@#@#@ posting.

tjforce · 11-23-2022, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ra3

Agreed with all of the above. And it’s not like the Mavs were that far away…Luka was a game away from where Lebron got his team last year. And he was 23. The roster he had on the Mavs was terrible, with Brunson as the #2, and this years roster is even worse.

People crap on the Cavs roster that year, but Ilgauskas was coming off an All-star season. Hughes was a First-Team Defensive all-NBA player as well. Lebron dragged that team there, but there’s an argument to be made that the Mavs are worse for sure

Illgauskas averaged 11.9 pts on 49% shooting and 7.7 rebs per game. Doesn't matter what he did the prior year, he wasn't very good that season. The team didn't have another player that scored 15 ppg or shoot 50%.

No shot against Luka, because what he did last season was impressive, but it wasn't the same as 2007 Cavs.

Now this year, if Luka can take this team to the Finals the way it is currently constructed, you might have a bit more of a case. I know he has 2 guys scoring 15 plus next to him, but Dinwiddie and Wood aren't guys getting in done on their own.

On the other hand, Brunson seems to be living up to what the Knicks had hoped from him. 21 and 7 on 50% shooting and a 9-9 record is a bit more than I expected. Not sure Dallas should have let him walk.

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 03:52 PM

Dallas didn’t really let Brunson walk. They #@#@#@#@ed up and elected to wait until the off-season to offer. And by time the off-season rolled around, Brunson was set on signing with the Knicks. Dallas never had a chance after the mid-season screw up.

RogerGodahell · 11-23-2022, 04:19 PM

Tough game tonight vs the Celtics squad who look like they're poised to get over the hump and win their first championship together this year. Very strong team. They've benefited well from the KG Pierce trade with the Nets and other picks along the way. 3 top 6 picks and a plethora of other valuable rotation players drafted.

Night and day difference how the 2 teams have been built. Boston did it right, Dallas has screwed it up every year for a decade besides 2018 when they were gifted Doncic and Brunson. Other than that year every pick they've kept has been a dud. Then they screwed up with Brunson as well for the icing on the cake. They'll probably screw up with C Wood as well to keep the bad decision making going.

al3xmac10 · 11-23-2022, 06:04 PM

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So nice! I am so jealous! Lol

Thanks for the kind words sir!

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 08:20 PM

They look absolutely clueless out there on defense.

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 08:35 PM

Kidd has to have the worst successful challenge percentage since challenges were instituted.

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 09:18 PM

DFS, Bullock, and THJ killing them again. 3-14 from the field, 2-9 from three. Don’t know how all three can start the season so poorly.

RogerGodahell · 11-23-2022, 09:30 PM

Josh Green still not playing enough. They started playing better defense when he came in halfway through the 3rd. Timmy has been awful 1 for his last 16 and 0-10 from 3.

This Celtics team is a juggernaut though not much is gonna stop them this year. Too loaded.

KhalDrogo · 11-23-2022, 09:53 PM

The one good thing about this game is that it’s now OBVIOUS that Wood has to be in the starting lineup and has to play more minutes. And wake me up when anyone outside of Luka, Wood, and Dinwiddie want to contribute to the team.

RogerGodahell · 11-23-2022, 10:01 PM

Kidd said he doesn't look at box scores. But he probably should to see how bad some guys have been shooting the ball. He should also take a look at Hardy's stats and think about actually playing him sometime this year. They could use his offense at least. He's a rookie though so you can't expect the world out of him. The 27 PPG is appealing though. Frustrating they won't even give him a chance. They desperately need someone as a 3rd ball handler/play maker. Maybe he'll suck i dunno but i'd at least like to see it you know sometime this year. Couldn't suck any worse than half their players have been. Take a chance, nothing to lose.

Ferg1945 · 11-23-2022, 10:01 PM

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And wake me up when anyone outside of Luka, Wood, and Dinwiddie want to contribute to the team.

That's the problem come playoffs. The good playoff teams.. If you're a top 4-5 team... once you make it past the first round will force those guys to beat them. If you're 7-8 and have to play Suns or Clippers in the first round... they will force the others to beat them.

Luka took 53% of the starters shots tonight... that's not a recipe for victory once you get deep in the playoffs.

Mavs need at least 1 more solid shooter... do they have any options?

RogerGodahell · 11-23-2022, 10:09 PM

What you see is what they've got. He has to take that many shots because no one else is reliable. He did convert on 61%. They're just bad outside of Luka, Dinwiddie, and Wood. And even then Dinwiddie isn't on every night but him and Wood are the only other scoring option on the entire team. The lineups have been very bad from the coaching staff. Bullock and Hardaway need to be benched...but they've got no one else besides Josh Green. Very frustrating to watch.

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	Look at the competition in the East during the 2000s versus the competition in the West today. LeBron made one Finals before needing to join a super team to get there again. That year, they went up against a .500 Wizards team without Arenas and Butler; a .500 Nets team with Kidd, VC, and nothing else; and a good Pistons team who had lost Ben Wallace. Then they got demolished by the Spurs. __________________ I love PSA!

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	Poor ping. Lakers 5-11. LeBron can’t stay healthy again. Scoring title might have to wait until next year. Now resorting to trolling the Luka thread and Curry in the NBA thread because he’s got nothing else to talk about. Sad, sad man. __________________ I love PSA!

11-23-2022, 03:52 PM	#26865
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	Dallas didn’t really let Brunson walk. They #@#@#@#@ed up and elected to wait until the off-season to offer. And by time the off-season rolled around, Brunson was set on signing with the Knicks. Dallas never had a chance after the mid-season screw up. __________________ I love PSA!

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	They look absolutely clueless out there on defense. __________________ I love PSA!

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Sirwin30 Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 324	Or needs to get out of Dallas? Haha I mean, the second best player they had last year was Brunson and they let him go. Cuban hasn’t made any moves to get him surrounded by talent. This team without Luka is comparable to Lebron Cleveland nba finals team. Maybe worse Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-23-2022, 11:04 AM	#26861
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	No one on this Mavs team other than Luka will be remember 15 years from now either. If they didn't run into the Warriors in the WCF who will go down as one of the greatest era teams of all time, they'd probably have made the finals as well. Neither team outside Luka or LeBron is good, trying to compare their shtty rosters is just splitting hairs. Dallas problems are very deep though because the FO has made terrible decisions for several years now like over 5. They've traded away almost every asset they have (draft picks) and they have no other players besides Luka that anyone wants. Terrible decision making by the FO.

11-23-2022, 04:19 PM	#26866
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Tough game tonight vs the Celtics squad who look like they're poised to get over the hump and win their first championship together this year. Very strong team. They've benefited well from the KG Pierce trade with the Nets and other picks along the way. 3 top 6 picks and a plethora of other valuable rotation players drafted. Night and day difference how the 2 teams have been built. Boston did it right, Dallas has screwed it up every year for a decade besides 2018 when they were gifted Doncic and Brunson. Other than that year every pick they've kept has been a dud. Then they screwed up with Brunson as well for the icing on the cake. They'll probably screw up with C Wood as well to keep the bad decision making going.

11-23-2022, 08:35 PM	#26869
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	Kidd has to have the worst successful challenge percentage since challenges were instituted. __________________ I love PSA!

11-23-2022, 09:18 PM	#26870
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	DFS, Bullock, and THJ killing them again. 3-14 from the field, 2-9 from three. Don’t know how all three can start the season so poorly. __________________ I love PSA!

11-23-2022, 09:30 PM	#26871
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Josh Green still not playing enough. They started playing better defense when he came in halfway through the 3rd. Timmy has been awful 1 for his last 16 and 0-10 from 3. This Celtics team is a juggernaut though not much is gonna stop them this year. Too loaded.

11-23-2022, 09:53 PM	#26872
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,083	The one good thing about this game is that it’s now OBVIOUS that Wood has to be in the starting lineup and has to play more minutes. And wake me up when anyone outside of Luka, Wood, and Dinwiddie want to contribute to the team. __________________ I love PSA!

11-23-2022, 10:01 PM	#26873
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Kidd said he doesn't look at box scores. But he probably should to see how bad some guys have been shooting the ball. He should also take a look at Hardy's stats and think about actually playing him sometime this year. They could use his offense at least. He's a rookie though so you can't expect the world out of him. The 27 PPG is appealing though. Frustrating they won't even give him a chance. They desperately need someone as a 3rd ball handler/play maker. Maybe he'll suck i dunno but i'd at least like to see it you know sometime this year. Couldn't suck any worse than half their players have been. Take a chance, nothing to lose.

11-23-2022, 10:09 PM	#26875
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	What you see is what they've got. He has to take that many shots because no one else is reliable. He did convert on 61%. They're just bad outside of Luka, Dinwiddie, and Wood. And even then Dinwiddie isn't on every night but him and Wood are the only other scoring option on the entire team. The lineups have been very bad from the coaching staff. Bullock and Hardaway need to be benched...but they've got no one else besides Josh Green. Very frustrating to watch.