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tjforce · 07-16-2025, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Wasn't that back during peak stupid pricing times of COVID though? To expect that prices would hold even close to those insane levels was pretty dumb, though.

On cards like that? Absolutely.

There were deals to be had out there at the time: Just not the stuff everyone was buying.

Totally reckless to advice people to spend their money like this

tjforce · 07-16-2025, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Harry Giles anyone?

That thread would be hilarious to dig up.

Hahaha.

This literally made me smile.

Blazed · 07-22-2025, 09:05 AM

Reminder to collect what you like and can afford

They're pumping the "record high" sales harder than ever before on IG

They're pumping the hell out of auctions ending soon on Fanatics/Golden/MCSportscards on IG

Lol

tjforce · 07-22-2025, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Reminder to collect what you like and can afford

They're pumping the "record high" sales harder than ever before on IG

They're pumping the hell out of auctions ending soon on Fanatics/Golden/MCSportscards on IG

Lol

Yeah that's because these are happening and people getting paid out on them.

hermanotarjeta · 07-25-2025, 07:16 PM

The FU money will be coming out for the next heritage auction:

2007-08 exquisite dual logoman Kobe/Jordan autographs.

Estimated price:

$6 milllion.

Asian62150 · 07-25-2025, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The FU money will be coming out for the next heritage auction:

2007-08 exquisite dual logoman Kobe/Jordan autographs.

Estimated price:

$6 milllion.

Isn't the rumor that the seller turned down an $8M offer from Shyne a few years ago?

RKH916 · 07-25-2025, 07:24 PM

Jordan cards drive the rest of the market. Prices on mid-big inserts have been skyrocketing, record every week. Not sure if it's a bubble or just more big money in the game trying to get a piece of the pie.

I skipped on a few BGS/PSA 9's of inserts I wanted early last year and the price increases since have made them almost unattainable now.

I skipped on a PSA 9 Rock Stars refractor for $1050usd sometime early last year. Same card is about $2200 now and rising steadily. A PSA10 has gone from 3.5k to 11k over the same period (there's 75 PSA 10's, 118 BGS 9.5's - it's not a rare gem)

I'm basically going to have to hope for a massive crash to continue building what I was trying to build.

That Jordan/Kobe with the gold MJ logoman could go for almost anything and I wouldn't be surprised...

hermanotarjeta · 07-25-2025, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

Isn't the rumor that the seller turned down an $8M offer from Shyne a few years ago?

I never heard about that but I wouldn’t be surprised.

This card will make some major headlines after the auction.

RKH916 · 07-25-2025, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I never heard about that but I wouldn’t be surprised.

This card will make some major headlines after the auction.

I think it's true, I read the same a few months ago on IG. I think Shyne might have posted it himself

Asian62150 · 07-25-2025, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RKH916

Jordan cards drive the rest of the market. Prices on mid-big inserts have been skyrocketing, record every week. Not sure if it's a bubble or just more big money in the game trying to get a piece of the pie.

I skipped on a few BGS/PSA 9's of inserts I wanted early last year and the price increases since have made them almost unattainable now.

I skipped on a PSA 9 Rock Stars refractor for $1050usd sometime early last year. Same card is about $2200 now and rising steadily. A PSA10 has gone from 3.5k to 11k over the same period (there's 75 PSA 10's, 118 BGS 9.5's - it's not a rare gem)

I'm basically going to have to hope for a massive crash to continue building what I was trying to build.

That Jordan/Kobe with the gold MJ logoman could go for almost anything and I wouldn't be surprised...

I wonder what the seller is expecting after turning down $8M a few years ago.

$15M+???

I think there's only one other MJ logoman with the NBA 50th logo but it isn't autographed and was from SP Game Used?

GOATMJ · 07-28-2025, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RKH916

I skipped on a PSA 9 Rock Stars refractor for $1050usd sometime early last year. Same card is about $2200 now and rising steadily. A PSA10 has gone from 3.5k to 11k over the same period (there's 75 PSA 10's, 118 BGS 9.5's - it's not a rare gem)

Those PSA 10 prices are just stupid. A lot of them are common 90's inserts that are not all that rare. Nat and PSA did a very good job brainwashing the hobby. I wouldn't touch any of the PSA 10 inserts at these prices.

johnscards · 08-11-2025, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RKH916

Jordan cards drive the rest of the market. Prices on mid-big inserts have been skyrocketing, record every week. Not sure if it's a bubble or just more big money in the game trying to get a piece of the pie.

I skipped on a few BGS/PSA 9's of inserts I wanted early last year and the price increases since have made them almost unattainable now.

I skipped on a PSA 9 Rock Stars refractor for $1050usd sometime early last year. Same card is about $2200 now and rising steadily. A PSA10 has gone from 3.5k to 11k over the same period (there's 75 PSA 10's, 118 BGS 9.5's - it's not a rare gem)

I'm basically going to have to hope for a massive crash to continue building what I was trying to build.

That Jordan/Kobe with the gold MJ logoman could go for almost anything and I wouldn't be surprised...

It's funny how the "Premier" and "Elite" auctions revolve around MJ. His cards will likely be the first domino. And for the folks that say "his cards won't fall, best investment ever, gotta buy now before you miss out, better by PSA 9s since 10s are out of reach for normies", let's just say all it's going to take is a better investment stream/more flashy way of making quick money for those clowns to start dumping cards and pumping into another area.

It's getting more and more obvious every weekend that our hobby is dominated by flippers/investors/non-collectors.

Nomad · 08-11-2025, 11:05 AM

Wow. Yes. The absolute crickets when I asked about market movement on players who had just competed in the Finals was resounding.

Who knows, MJ could be propping up the MJ market. He made more for signing 12 cards recently than he would have for attending shows for decades, and creating normal market supply associated with a star. Same logic could easily apply to withholding Bulls card product for how many decades.

Even with 86F. Especially 86 F. There are vaults and vaults of the stuff and each one has $3,000 to $1 million assigned to it.

But that is the nature of speculation and changing generations. To create new heroes we need to diminish the old. Someday MJ will be mentioned in the exact same collector discussion as Bill Russell or Kareem, except there will be a lot more MJ out there. And yes, from a 90s hierarchy perspective, that makes it more fun to collect.

r338 · 08-12-2025, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATMJ

Those PSA 10 prices are just stupid. A lot of them are common 90's inserts that are not all that rare. Nat and PSA did a very good job brainwashing the hobby. I wouldn't touch any of the PSA 10 inserts at these prices.

Paying super high prices for easy to find mass produced inserts is the worst idea. It is mostly the YouTube guys shamelessly pumping and dumping.

Nomad · 08-12-2025, 12:42 PM

Well yeah, when you amassed hundreds of cheap inserts back in the day, that is your arsenal. However, PSA 10s really are that hard to come by on some 90s cards. Hats off to those who in 1997 immediately slipped their cards into the type of plastic that wouldn't wind up damaging the card and kept it humidity free. One guy in the Philippines I bought off of had a system of splitting the penny sleeves and adding some moth repellent. Made the cards smell like formaldehyde but they were pristine.

People don't simply pay $5-$10k because they want to donate. Say what you want about the 90s basketball YouTubers, but the only one I can think of Cajun delves into things like pop and condition in explaining prices all the time.

It's kind of like the stamp collectors' wing of the hobby. Which is why I thought my graded Kobe silver error would gain traction. But there are really arbitrary collectibility rules (and TBH I haven't shown it to anybody).

Orangejello727 · 08-12-2025, 01:16 PM

I flipped out a bunch of mid end MJ inserts for insane profits. But now I'm regretting it. I took profits but miss them in my collection

I dont think this run on MJ low and mid end is a bubble. I think this is the new floor prices. New era cards and players are so boring. Its heating up the 90s and 00s

MJGOAT23 · 08-12-2025, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by r338

Paying super high prices for easy to find mass produced inserts is the worst idea. It is mostly the YouTube guys shamelessly pumping and dumping.

What would be an example of an insanely high price for an easy to find, mass produced MJ insert graded PSA 10?

Blazed · 08-12-2025, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by r338

Paying super high prices for easy to find mass produced inserts is the worst idea. It is mostly the YouTube guys shamelessly pumping and dumping.

On thing most people are forgetting is those are businesses that are buying at those high prices > showing them off and pumping them up > then dumping them to average Joe who just got funded so he/she can run to IG and show it off

For the LLC's they're write off's

For Joe down the street they're a value trap

threepointplay · 08-12-2025, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

Someday MJ will be mentioned in the exact same collector discussion as Bill Russell or Kareem, except there will be a lot more MJ out there.

Maybe; maybe not.

Jordan could end up being the Mickey Mantle of basketball cards. You have to at least be in your 70s or 80s to have seen him play in his prime and most people of that age and older are in wealth protection not spending mode.

Yet his cards are still hugely in demand and his legacy has been passed on to the generations who have barely seen any footage of him swinging a bat.

Antman5 · 08-12-2025, 04:27 PM

I mean, this is insane—it’s giving me major 2021–2022 vibes, where card prices saw abnormal growth for no clear reason in just a few months. I waited for prices to drop, and they finally did in 2024, but here we are again with sales hitting new highs. At this point, I’d be extremely cautious and would only buy at these prices if it’s a card that rarely surfaces on the market but YMMV.

r338 · 08-12-2025, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MJGOAT23

What would be an example of an insanely high price for an easy to find, mass produced MJ insert graded PSA 10?

Here are some recent examples, but I would include any insert that is easier than one per pack and easy to find.

1992 Total D
PSA 10 $19,520
PSA 9 $620
Total graded pop 1,975

1993 Inside Outside
PSA 10 $6,600
PSA 9 $120
Total graded pop 4,032

1995 Maximum Metal
PSA 10 $4,625
PSA 9 $325
Total graded pop 2,020

threepointplay · 08-12-2025, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by r338

Here are some recent examples, but I would include any insert that is easier than one per pack and easy to find.

1992 Total D
PSA 10 $19,520
PSA 9 $620
Total graded pop 1,975

1993 Inside Outside
PSA 10 $6,600
PSA 9 $120
Total graded pop 4,032

1995 Maximum Metal
PSA 10 $4,625
PSA 9 $325
Total graded pop 2,020

I will start by stating I have very little skin in this game. I own four Jordan cards (his RC card as a part of a set, an 07-08 auto-card and a couple of 90s inserts) all of which were purchased at least 15+ years ago.

But aren't the insane PSA 10 prices driven by very low pop counts? i.e. There are only 29 x 1993 Total D cards graded PSA 10.

r338 · 08-12-2025, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by threepointplay

I will start by stating I have very little skin in this game. I own four Jordan cards (his RC card as a part of a set, an 07-08 auto-card and a couple of 90s inserts) all of which were purchased at least 15+ years ago.

But aren't the insane PSA 10 prices driven by very low pop counts? i.e. There are only 29 x 1993 Total D cards graded PSA 10.

That can be the only explanation.

If not for the high grade, would anyone even want the Inside Outside inserts where there can be 15-20,000 copies produced?

drobfan8 · 08-12-2025, 06:51 PM

Imagine paying $19k for a Total D

Haha. Sorry. That is a terrible buy.

You would be far better off buying rarer inserts in a 9 or Exquisite Jordan.

Nomad · 08-12-2025, 10:55 PM

I would just start Net Assets and navigate a way from there.

What was Jordan's catch phrase? You be it? Just do it? Be like Mike?

I think I still have him in that category with YDY.

07-22-2025, 09:05 AM	#2678
Blazed Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,354 Blazed Blazed	Reminder to collect what you like and can afford They're pumping the "record high" sales harder than ever before on IG They're pumping the hell out of auctions ending soon on Fanatics/Golden/MCSportscards on IG Lol __________________ Everyday you wake up you’re guaranteed a chance and a choice. What you do with them is up to you. Make it a great day, or not. The choice is yours 🫡

07-25-2025, 07:24 PM	#2682
RKH916 Member Join Date: Oct 2024 Posts: 503	Jordan cards drive the rest of the market. Prices on mid-big inserts have been skyrocketing, record every week. Not sure if it's a bubble or just more big money in the game trying to get a piece of the pie. I skipped on a few BGS/PSA 9's of inserts I wanted early last year and the price increases since have made them almost unattainable now. I skipped on a PSA 9 Rock Stars refractor for $1050usd sometime early last year. Same card is about $2200 now and rising steadily. A PSA10 has gone from 3.5k to 11k over the same period (there's 75 PSA 10's, 118 BGS 9.5's - it's not a rare gem) I'm basically going to have to hope for a massive crash to continue building what I was trying to build. That Jordan/Kobe with the gold MJ logoman could go for almost anything and I wouldn't be surprised... Last edited by RKH916; 07-25-2025 at 07:34 PM.

08-11-2025, 11:05 AM	#2688
Nomad Banned Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,094	Wow. Yes. The absolute crickets when I asked about market movement on players who had just competed in the Finals was resounding. Who knows, MJ could be propping up the MJ market. He made more for signing 12 cards recently than he would have for attending shows for decades, and creating normal market supply associated with a star. Same logic could easily apply to withholding Bulls card product for how many decades. Even with 86F. Especially 86 F. There are vaults and vaults of the stuff and each one has $3,000 to $1 million assigned to it. But that is the nature of speculation and changing generations. To create new heroes we need to diminish the old. Someday MJ will be mentioned in the exact same collector discussion as Bill Russell or Kareem, except there will be a lot more MJ out there. And yes, from a 90s hierarchy perspective, that makes it more fun to collect. Last edited by Nomad; 08-11-2025 at 11:23 AM.

08-12-2025, 12:42 PM	#2690
Nomad Banned Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,094	Well yeah, when you amassed hundreds of cheap inserts back in the day, that is your arsenal. However, PSA 10s really are that hard to come by on some 90s cards. Hats off to those who in 1997 immediately slipped their cards into the type of plastic that wouldn't wind up damaging the card and kept it humidity free. One guy in the Philippines I bought off of had a system of splitting the penny sleeves and adding some moth repellent. Made the cards smell like formaldehyde but they were pristine. People don't simply pay $5-$10k because they want to donate. Say what you want about the 90s basketball YouTubers, but the only one I can think of Cajun delves into things like pop and condition in explaining prices all the time. It's kind of like the stamp collectors' wing of the hobby. Which is why I thought my graded Kobe silver error would gain traction. But there are really arbitrary collectibility rules (and TBH I haven't shown it to anybody). Last edited by Nomad; 08-12-2025 at 12:49 PM.

08-12-2025, 06:51 PM	#2699
drobfan8 Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 17,838 drobfan8 drobfan8	Imagine paying $19k for a Total D Haha. Sorry. That is a terrible buy. You would be far better off buying rarer inserts in a 9 or Exquisite Jordan. __________________ Wanted, 03/04 Exquisite Base Gold Tim Duncan and 05/06 Exquisite Base Gold /25 Michael Jordan

07-25-2025, 07:16 PM	#2680
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,985	The FU money will be coming out for the next heritage auction: 2007-08 exquisite dual logoman Kobe/Jordan autographs. Estimated price: $6 milllion.

08-12-2025, 01:16 PM	#2691
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,088	I flipped out a bunch of mid end MJ inserts for insane profits. But now I'm regretting it. I took profits but miss them in my collection I dont think this run on MJ low and mid end is a bubble. I think this is the new floor prices. New era cards and players are so boring. Its heating up the 90s and 00s

08-12-2025, 04:27 PM	#2695
Antman5 Member Join Date: Mar 2024 Posts: 202	I mean, this is insane—it’s giving me major 2021–2022 vibes, where card prices saw abnormal growth for no clear reason in just a few months. I waited for prices to drop, and they finally did in 2024, but here we are again with sales hitting new highs. At this point, I’d be extremely cautious and would only buy at these prices if it’s a card that rarely surfaces on the market but YMMV.

08-12-2025, 10:55 PM	#2700
Nomad Banned Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,094	I would just start Net Assets and navigate a way from there. What was Jordan's catch phrase? You be it? Just do it? Be like Mike? I think I still have him in that category with YDY. Last edited by Nomad; 08-12-2025 at 10:59 PM.