Patrick Mahomes Prices

[cardguy14]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/patrick-mah...-127632-2357-0

Gotta be a fake someone bought right?

[JanuaryRains]

Originally Posted by cardguy14

https://www.ebay.com/itm/patrick-mah...-127632-2357-0

Gotta be a fake someone bought right?

Yeah. Quick search on ebay for Mahomes contenders RP and all of them are serial #d 20/25, same as that one.

[bberns]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Which is why I collect/invest in 2 players long term:
-Brady
-Mahomes

1 is as ironclad as they come. Your case of guys coming and going like that only helps his case.

The other one I believe is the next guy to transcend the sport (it's already been happening). And it I'm wrong, even more reason to be holding Brady.

I'm actually pretty bearish on Brady long term. Up until a few years ago, no one outside of NE cared about him. Long term price increases require hardcore collectors that LOVE him and his cards. You see this with MJ and Kobe in spades. I suspect that the vast majority of the people holding big brady cards right now are investors without the passion that turns them into long term holders.

Maybe his cards don't go down, but I don't see them approaching what we see with MJ and Kobe.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by bberns

I'm actually pretty bearish on Brady long term. Up until a few years ago, no one outside of NE cared about him. Long term price increases require hardcore collectors that LOVE him and his cards. You see this with MJ and Kobe in spades. I suspect that the vast majority of the people holding big brady cards right now are investors without the passion that turns them into long term holders.

Maybe his cards don't go down, but I don't see them approaching what we see with MJ and Kobe.

I think this is really wrong. Brady is the best football player of all time. Every record, nobody is touching his 7 super bowls, etc. Plenty collected him outside NE.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by bberns

I'm actually pretty bearish on Brady long term. Up until a few years ago, no one outside of NE cared about him. Long term price increases require hardcore collectors that LOVE him and his cards. You see this with MJ and Kobe in spades. I suspect that the vast majority of the people holding big brady cards right now are investors without the passion that turns them into long term holders.

Maybe his cards don't go down, but I don't see them approaching what we see with MJ and Kobe.

Brady got more likable over the last couple years. I wouldn't be surprised to see that grow even more once he's truly done playing football.

Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I think this is really wrong. Brady is the best football player of all time. Every record, nobody is touching his 7 super bowls, etc. Plenty collected him outside NE.

Disagree. I think there were many better football players. I'd definitely put Lawrence Taylor over Brady.

Most winning QB is Brady. Maybe the smartest. I wouldn't say the best QB either honestly. I think he had three first team All Pro's. Manning had 7 I think.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Disagree. I think there were many better football players. I'd definitely put Lawrence Taylor over Brady.

Most winning QB is Brady. Maybe the smartest. I wouldn't say the best QB either honestly. I think he had three first team All Pro's. Manning had 7 I think.

I wonder if Brady being caught with an underage prostitute would tarnish his legacy?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I wonder if Brady being caught with an underage prostitute would tarnish his legacy?

Probably not in New England

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Probably not in New England

Is there ANYTHING Tom Brady could do to destroy his card prices? Like hypothetically what would it take? I don't think a double homicide would even move the needle, maybe someone who is into vintage could tell us how OJs cards fluctuated from the 90s until now.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Disagree. I think there were many better football players. I'd definitely put Lawrence Taylor over Brady.

Most winning QB is Brady. Maybe the smartest. I wouldn't say the best QB either honestly. I think he had three first team All Pro's. Manning had 7 I think.

This is a bold and likely unpopular statement... however I agree. In the modern era of football we have the following that have matched or done a bit better on personal accolades

manning 5 mvp/7 time first team all pro
rodgers 4 mvp/4 time first team all pro
favre 3 mvp/3 time first team all pro
brady 3 mvp/3 time first team all pro

With that said, major cash and the ultimate following always comes to those who can blend personal accolades like this with winning..... people just care about great players who win.............. manning/rodgers/favre have 4 super bowls combined........ brady has 7........... the money will always follow brady because he's the most accomplished player..... the resume overall is complete and bullet proof when you take into account the personal awards, team awards, and cumulative stats.......... and because of that I collect Brees, Manning, and Rodgers because Brady isn't affordable lol

[zolt1313]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

This is a bold and likely unpopular statement... however I agree. In the modern era of football we have the following that have matched or done a bit better on personal accolades

manning 5 mvp/7 time first team all pro
rodgers 4 mvp/4 time first team all pro
favre 3 mvp/3 time first team all pro
brady 3 mvp/3 time first team all pro

With that said, major cash and the ultimate following always comes to those who can blend personal accolades like this with winning..... people just care about great players who win.............. manning/rodgers/favre have 4 super bowls combined........ brady has 7........... the money will always follow brady because he's the most accomplished player..... the resume overall is complete and bullet proof when you take into account the personal awards, team awards, and cumulative stats.......... and because of that I collect Brees, Manning, and Rodgers because Brady isn't affordable lol

I don't think hard counts of number of mvps / all pros tells the whole story. Yes, Brady has less than Manning and Rodgers. But take Manning vs. Brady. In the 7 years Manning was 1st team All Pro, he threw for 258 TDs / 79 INTs. Now I can put together 7 different seasons for Brady while Manning was also playing where he threw for 253 TDs / 59 INTs (those are 07, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15). So 5 less TDs for Brady but also 20 less INTs, all taken from years where both were playing. That doesn't even factor in what Brady has done since Manning retired, despite being only one year younger than Manning. Now TD and INTs don't tell the whole story. But when I look at Brady's consistently excellent stats I think he was probably unlucky in this case.

If you're into awards comparisons, here is another one: all-decade teams.

Brady - 2000s (1st Team) AND 2010s (2010s was unanimous)
Manning - 2000s (2nd Team)
Rodgers - 2010s

Tom Brady is the only QB to make two all decade teams, and he was 1st team / unanimous in the respective decades. Maybe he didn't deserve 1st team in 2000s over Manning, but maybe he did deserve more MVPs / All Pros then he ended up getting.

[MyckKabongo]

* Kobe wasn't universally beloved when he left the league. Obviously unique circumstances there but I do think Brady's popularity will grow and already is growing. Dude's doing Hertz commercials and making movies about senior ladies.

* Brady's regular season stats were hurt by playing with a good defense and conservative coach. Same things affect Mahomes regular season stats to some degree.

Back to Mahomes...

* Really hope this coaching staff drama doesn't mess up another season. Mahomes was mentally off much of the year and you could tell things were out of sync between him and the coaches. Hopefully this past season ends up being the "adjustment" year and its smooth sailing next year and beyond.

[randino101]

Saw a Slabstox post on IG this AM that Cardladder had exposed some recent shilling on PSA 10 Mahomes Silver Prizm RCs. Something like 16 of the last 20 auction sales have been shilled up to ~$7.5k vs. ~$6k w/o.

I might just have to consider getting a Cardladder subscription...

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by randino101

Saw a Slabstox post on IG this AM that Cardladder had exposed some recent shilling on PSA 10 Mahomes Silver Prizm RCs. Something like 16 of the last 20 auction sales have been shilled up to ~$7.5k vs. ~$6k w/o.

I might just have to consider getting a Cardladder subscription...

Most times the shilling is so obvious you don't need a subscription to anything.

I'm watching a guy right now with about 400 items for sale. He has a ton of accounts to shill every single auction. I've tried multiple thing just to check - ie. no bids on an item for hours/days, as soon as I bid, I get outbid. He has similar items listed for BIN - he's basically using the auctions to set prices on his BIN items. The second the auctions end, if he doesn't get his price they are relisted. Serial numbered items are ridiculously obvious. No one could even cancel in one second after the auction is over.

Unfortunately I feel like the guy they asked why he was playing in the crooked poker game. It's the only game in town...

[Scottish Punk]

I would venture to guess that there is a lot more shilling now. Those investors who bought in during the boom need to try mitigate the down tick in sales. They wouldn't be long time collector so don't care about the industry just looking to cash out.

[imbluestreak23]

I got 5 autos in this week. i am happy

[ctizzle]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I got 5 autos in this week. i am happy

Pics or it didn’t happen!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[alphaomegas]

Its tanking boys like I said better you all get out asap....Unless you guys want to continue pump each other cards via shilling. shady market we live in try to get average joes who dont know better getting a average qb

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by ctizzle

Pics or it didn’t happen!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm working on it! lol

4 of them have patches

[Tnooky]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I got 5 autos in this week. i am happy

Pics, and bring back the youtube vids.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

This is a bold and likely unpopular statement... however I agree. In the modern era of football we have the following that have matched or done a bit better on personal accolades

manning 5 mvp/7 time first team all pro
rodgers 4 mvp/4 time first team all pro
favre 3 mvp/3 time first team all pro
brady 3 mvp/3 time first team all pro

With that said, major cash and the ultimate following always comes to those who can blend personal accolades like this with winning..... people just care about great players who win.............. manning/rodgers/favre have 4 super bowls combined........ brady has 7........... the money will always follow brady because he's the most accomplished player..... the resume overall is complete and bullet proof when you take into account the personal awards, team awards, and cumulative stats.......... and because of that I collect Brees, Manning, and Rodgers because Brady isn't affordable lol

but bro brady cheated to win and was caught...but people turn a blind eye...people gamble millions in casino so rich people are stupid and they will buy what the pumpers and psa tells them in magazines

Originally Posted by cardguy14

https://www.ebay.com/itm/patrick-mah...-127632-2357-0

Gotta be a fake someone bought right?

its more real then that fake junk nft

[k13]

I don't think Kobe was universally loved.
He's a rapist and cheater.

In reality people stopped caring about him until he died.
His auto's were sitting on ebay for cheap forever before that.

Lot of people dislike Brady, more than like.
Investors feel safe with brady. That's all that matters.

[MFaulkCollector]

[QUOTE=alphaomegas;18031125]but bro brady cheated to win and was caught...but people turn a blind eye...people gamble millions in casino so rich people are stupid and they will buy what the pumpers and psa tells them in magazines



Pumpers in general were not around like this in 2016 when Brady won his 5th..... and they weren't around in football in 2018 when he won his 6th. Brady stuff has gone up steadily over time for a decade until mid 2020 when it went haywire; and it was going up steadily from 02-07 until his injury and down-ish years in 08 and 09. His prices may very well regress a lot on common items now, but even with that it should fit right back in line still gaining from early 2020 and be on the same or better trajectory.......... people who don't understand that there was/is a period of 16-24 months of straight manipulation casuing FOMO from even the smartest collectors; well those people may stand to lose a good amount of money........ the savvy are still finding rarer items in high grade, the type of items where the demand will always overpower the supply.

And to keep this on the Mahomes topic............ it seems crazy to me for someone to fool around with the prizm psa 10 rc where there are likely 10-20k made with a lot of PSA 10's available.......... when there are 18/19 optic gold base /10 out there to be had... likewise optic contenders 18/19 gold base have also showed up. I know RC's rule the day but in an era like this where there are so many highly limited options from top brands.. I have zero clue why people are fooling around with intermediate or low quality high pop high print stuff. .....

The answer is likely because the general population isn't smart enough to track historical trends, view the overall landscape in the appropriate light, or actually take a chance on themselves.... if there aren't 10,20,50 comps in a three month window across multiple platforms they aren't smart enough to make the call themselves without immediate pricing data

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

And to keep this on the Mahomes topic............ it seems crazy to me for someone to fool around with the prizm psa 10 rc where there are likely 10-20k made with a lot of PSA 10's available.......... when there are 18/19 optic gold base /10 out there to be had... likewise optic contenders 18/19 gold base have also showed up. I know RC's rule the day but in an era like this where there are so many highly limited options from top brands.. I have zero clue why people are fooling around with intermediate or low quality high pop high print stuff. .....

The answer is likely because the general population isn't smart enough to track historical trends, view the overall landscape in the appropriate light, or actually take a chance on themselves.... if there aren't 10,20,50 comps in a three month window across multiple platforms they aren't smart enough to make the call themselves without immediate pricing data

So true!! I love the feeling of hammering out a deal with a seller when there are no comps. That's why I stick primarily to rarer stuff. There are so many great 2nd and 3rd year Mahomes cards that, as a PC guy, I'd way rather have than a pop 1000 PSA 10 Prizm RC.

[growdoe]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

So true!! I love the feeling of hammering out a deal with a seller when there are no comps. That's why I stick primarily to rarer stuff. There are so many great 2nd and 3rd year Mahomes cards that, as a PC guy, I'd way rather have than a pop 1000 PSA 10 Prizm RC.

This has been my strategy the past year out of necessity. I got a late start on Mahomes and RCs were priced out of my range, so have focused on numbered, color-matched, low-pop cards of Mahomes from the years 2018-current.

I've been buying /100 and below cards, and think /50 cards are a great value right now. Upon product release, you can get about 10 chances to snag a /50 card before they dry up.

I buy all brands, including Panini Instant, and love the numbered inserts from Donruss, Certified, Absolute, R&S, Legacy, Elite, etc. I know I'm not going to make big money, but 20 years from now, I should be okay, if alive. Mostly though, I enjoy my full display case of Mahomes cards (and a few Burrow / Allen / Herbert autos). Had I put all my money into one big Mahomes RC, I feel I wouldn't be getting the same joy. But don't get me wrong, I'm jealous when I see exotic, rare Mahomes RC autos.