Attention BODA: Blowout Member SSIGuy Selling Altered Cards, eBay ID= marketplacessi

[rcmb3220]

Does someone have a win probability graph?

[I only pull for]

When looking at his inventory it appears that the "experts" at Beckett missed some "short" cards in those BCCG holders.
Most aren't numbered so there will be no concrete proof that they have been altered, but it's still disturbing how the graders at BGS seem to lose their rulers for certain wallets-- I mean submitters. All of this is my opinion of course.
Maybe if we could sit at the private table with them at the Industry Summit my opinion would change.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Great find! We can now say conclusively, independent of Beckett's confirmation (it's a forgone conclusion at this point), that Bill Sliheet / Superior Sports Investments is the submitter for grading of the JD Martinez Update Black BGS 9.5 which is proven altered.

The most disgusting thing about his response is how he tried to leverage his brother's (not his own!) military service to lend credibility to his narrative.

I was not exaggerating when I stated before— we have it all.

When someone brings it military experience after being associated with something negative, it is a virtual lock that the party is guilty.

As if one's own military experience somehow gives a person carte blanche to do whatever. To tout a family member's service as a way to somehow gain credit is embarrassing.

As for BGS...they will do nothing.

They know this goes on and it's graders like Slimeheap that keep their revenues up.

Forget changing BGS...let's chop the legs off of the fraud that is so-called "expert" grading.

Slimeheap and the bands of "investment" groups work tirelessly to manufacture markets, value and have mastered the pump and dump for years. These outfits all benefit BGS as it helps prop up artificial values and the legitimacy of grading.

Grading isn't always legitimate. BGS knows this...they just don't want the rest of the hobby to see what goes on behind the curtain.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

When looking at his inventory it appears that the "experts" at Beckett missed some "short" cards in those BCCG holders.
Most aren't numbered so there will be no concrete proof that they have been altered, but it's still disturbing how the graders at BGS seem to lose their rulers for certain wallets-- I mean submitters. All of this is my opinion of course.
Maybe if we could sit at the private table with them at the Industry Summit my opinion would change.

If BO members crashed the Industry Summit, it would look like this:

[tonedef2oo8]

When someone talks about their military service after being questioned it’s a red flag. My buddy (retired marine) always says 90%+ of those who enroll have nothing else in life and some are even court ordered to go the military. Therefore they didn’t go in nice people and return to the same after now thinking the world owes them.

This may or may not pertain to this right here but something to think about.


SSIGuy
Last Activity: Today 09:23 AM

Must be taking screen shots for his lawyers.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

When someone talks about their military service after being questioned it’s a red flag. My buddy (retired marine) always says 90%+ of those who enroll have nothing else in life and some are even court ordered to go the military. Therefore they didn’t go in nice people and return to the same after now thinking the world owes them.

This may or may not pertain to this right here but something to think about.

This lowlife touted HIS BROTHER'S military experience, not even his own. That's two steps away from claiming some sort of patriotic credit for his neighbor's military experience in Vietnam.

But seriously...let's get back to BGS and PSA.

That's the root of all of this.

[corndog]

A link to this thread needs to be posted in other forums. I can't do it as I am only on this forum. Word needs to get out that another big seller is knee deep in it.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by corndog

A link to this thread needs to be posted in other forums. I can't do it as I am only on this forum. Word needs to get out that another big seller is knee deep in it.

forums.collectors.com
net54baseball.com

What are the other big ones? This is my only active forum.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by superdan49

forums.collectors.com
net54baseball.com

What are the other big ones? This is my only active forum.

Is sportscardforum.com still a thing?

[corndog]

Originally Posted by superdan49

forums.collectors.com
net54baseball.com

What are the other big ones? This is my only active forum.

There was a member that linked the big BuyNiceCards thread at other sites but I can't remember who. The mods may even have contacts at Beckett. I worked with Beckett years ago regarding graded forgeries and they will listen when proof can be established.

[griffan15]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

When looking at his inventory it appears that the "experts" at Beckett missed some "short" cards in those BCCG holders.
Most aren't numbered so there will be no concrete proof that they have been altered, but it's still disturbing how the graders at BGS seem to lose their rulers for certain wallets-- I mean submitters. All of this is my opinion of course.
Maybe if we could sit at the private table with them at the Industry Summit my opinion would change.

I think this is a larger problem than people realize.

I pulled a decent card from 2013 Draft and sold it to a repack company for $600.

The next time I saw it, it was a BLACK LABEL. I grade cards, I grade a lot of cards.....and I sold it raw. I wish I still had pictures, but pretty sure they are gone.

The company is still in business, still shelling out product, and it's still being broken by BO and other large breakers.

I'm pretty sure their wallet influences ALOT of the cards that come out of their product.

[discostu]

I'm sure most people here know this, but for those that don't...here are some basics.

There are actual investment groups that deal exclusively in sport cards. The group funds a buying and selling operation while splitting the proceeds. These investment groups absolutely affect market pricing...in legitimate and illegitimate ways.

The dollar figures of certain groups extend well over $1 million.

These groups deal almost exclusively in the graded card market. Grading, regrading, selling, reselling and manufacturing market increases. It's the Wild West.

Now, for a moment, imagine the investment potential if you had a method where you could buy a card for X, trim that card and sell it for X + 30% or more. Imagine being able to do that on repeat. Imagine the hobby chasing prices that you determined through manipulated Ebay sales. Imagine working closely with a grading company that gives you a seat at the table. Imagine if this could be a venture that could both clean cash and deliver cash, as well as deliver smaller "on the books" payouts as well.

Now, imagine some punks on a forum pulling back the curtain.

Imagine.

[pejc300]

The post above is such a good post. I always wondered how these guys kept their businesses alive because buying and selling cards and making profit is not an easy thing to do. You can have some good success but to do it regularly you have to guarantee that you're going to make money and now I realize the guys like the ones in this thread have a system where they systematically buy cards trim them and make a percentage almost every single time. I'm not saying every card business does this but I have no doubt that happens on a very grand scale. I'm going to guess the person in this thread has literally trimmed thousands of cards. Thousands.

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by discostu

I'm sure most people here know this, but for those that don't...here are some basics.

There are actual investment groups that deal exclusively in sport cards. The group funds a buying and selling operation while splitting the proceeds. These investment groups absolutely affect market pricing...in legitimate and illegitimate ways.

The dollar figures of certain groups extend well over $1 million.

These groups deal almost exclusively in the graded card market. Grading, regrading, selling, reselling and manufacturing market increases. It's the Wild West.

Now, for a moment, imagine the investment potential if you had a method where you could buy a card for X, trim that card and sell it for X + 30% or more. Imagine being able to do that on repeat. Imagine the hobby chasing prices that you determined through manipulated Ebay sales. Imagine working closely with a grading company that gives you a seat at the table. Imagine if this could be a venture that could both clean cash and deliver cash, as well as deliver smaller "on the books" payouts as well.

Now, imagine some punks on a forum pulling back the curtain.

Imagine.

This whole trimming fiasco is becoming increasingly disturbing. Its not paranoia to deduce this is more widespread than we could have ever imagined. I wonder if there is one 'star' trimmer servicing those big sellers who choose to fraud the hobby or if 'operations' are kept in house?

[ljandkg]

Originally Posted by discostu

I'm sure most people here know this, but for those that don't...here are some basics.

There are actual investment groups that deal exclusively in sport cards. The group funds a buying and selling operation while splitting the proceeds. These investment groups absolutely affect market pricing...in legitimate and illegitimate ways.

The dollar figures of certain groups extend well over $1 million.

These groups deal almost exclusively in the graded card market. Grading, regrading, selling, reselling and manufacturing market increases. It's the Wild West.

Now, for a moment, imagine the investment potential if you had a method where you could buy a card for X, trim that card and sell it for X + 30% or more. Imagine being able to do that on repeat. Imagine the hobby chasing prices that you determined through manipulated Ebay sales. Imagine working closely with a grading company that gives you a seat at the table. Imagine if this could be a venture that could both clean cash and deliver cash, as well as deliver smaller "on the books" payouts as well.

Now, imagine some punks on a forum pulling back the curtain.

Imagine.

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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by pejc300

The post above is such a good post. I always wondered how these guys kept their businesses alive because buying and selling cards and making profit is not an easy thing to do. You can have some good success but to do it regularly you have to guarantee that you're going to make money and now I realize the guys like the ones in this thread have a system where they systematically buy cards trim them and make a percentage almost every single time. I'm not saying every card business does this but I have no doubt that happens on a very grand scale. I'm going to guess the person in this thread has literally trimmed thousands of cards. Thousands.

You will be served for sure

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

I do think there is actually quite a bit of jealousy throughout the hobby and it's unfortunate. There are quite a few people that just can't stand that someone else has something nice and they don't. There is also a mentality that if someone has something that's nice and it's high-grade, there's no possible way it's legit. We get that to a certain extent due to high-profile cases that have been posted on here previously, but it's getting a bit extreme with some of these guys.

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

I believe we stated just that as well as others after us. Unfortunately, the "White Knight" mob on here is foaming at the mouth to take down anyone they can, especially if they have large/nice inventory that they don't have (and never will have) and don't give anyone a chance to even investigate before they get cheap-shotted/blasted on here or elsewhere.

Umm no... honest collectors want an honest hobby.

This type of nonsense came out in the Bitz exposé also. Its like that default rebuttal when something foul is exposed.

I love it how superdan just powered through the litigation barbs

[I only pull for]

Speaking of lawsuits - I believe I may have purchased some cards from SSI over the last 20 years at some point, very strong possibility.
I'm sure I'll have a good case if any of my cards were altered.

[mnvikingstwins]

Mike Stanton 2011 Topps Black 13/60 psa 10 41753041
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-...S!-1:rk:6:pf:0
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...der-1940191134
guessing that one is trimmed too and one/all of these

Paul Goldschmidt 2011 Topps Update Golds
94/2011 28816197
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-...S!-1:rk:2:pf:0
149/2011 41835180
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-...S!-1:rk:3:pf:0
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...aul-1937501231
1552/2011 41470897
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-...S!-1:rk:1:pf:0

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...aul-1916034592

[KhalDrogo]

This is getting good!

[Deadshot]

I think this Curry triple auto might have had a little work done to the left edge and possibly the top right corner as well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-ud-...8AAOSwLgVcZF9d



Here are several sources for the pre-graded version

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rry-1891630046

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/i...fd1e20a7b4.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/thmb.inkfro..._096.jpg/800/0

Judging by the last URL, CavalierCards might have owned this card at one point in the past. CavalierCards, did you own this card? And if so, do you have a higher quality scan on file still that we can look at?

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I think this Curry triple auto might have had a little work done to the left edge and possibly the top right corner as well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-ud-...8AAOSwLgVcZF9d



Here are several sources for the pre-graded version

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rry-1891630046

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/i...fd1e20a7b4.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/thmb.inkfro..._096.jpg/800/0

Judging by the last URL, CavalierCards might have owned this card at one point in the past. CavalierCards, did you own this card? And if so, do you have a higher quality scan on file still that we can look at?

I don't think you need a better scan. Rule 1 of card alterations: Chipped edges don't fix themselves. The before on the left compared to the after on the right is proof positive of alteration.

[mnvikingstwins]

A good help for trimming is to never list serial numbers

[mnvikingstwins]

Probably clean

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

JD Martinez Hope 39/60
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1931022583
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-...S!-1:rk:7:pf:0

Mookie red ice 20/25
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...red-1856482725
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-bowman...!-1:rk:11:pf:0

Mookie orange mini 9/10
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ome-1865286642
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-bowman...!-1:rk:17:pf:0

Arenado gold 600/2013
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...old-1939721263
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-topps-...-1:rk:116:pf:0

Betts red 2/5
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1827899209
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-bowman...!-1:rk:32:pf:0

Trout 260/309 resubbed from 9.5/9.5/9.5/9 corners to quad 9.5
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...out-1886385090
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-topps-...!-1:rk:33:pf:0

Are you saying these are trimmed or just pointing out before and afters so others can do the research? I can't tell from any of these photos that alterations have occurred.