***Official 2023 Detroit Tigers Baseball Thread***

[regularp]

Originally Posted by Rememberthepast

At least Hao-Yu Lee is a descent return Lorenzen.

Not sure the point in acquiring a second base prospect when they already have Jung. Maybe they're gonna move him to short?

Guess you need as many cracks at it as possible but I'm ehh on this one on the surface. Hope it works out.

[base set]

Speaking of Jung I always wonder if we will get BJ Upton when he comes up and the Rangers already have Justin Upton. Time will tell.

Hao-Yu Lee is listed at 3B, SS, 2B, I see. But didn’t look into where he has been getting his reps.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by regularp

Not sure the point in acquiring a second base prospect when they already have Jung. Maybe they're gonna move him to short?

Guess you need as many cracks at it as possible but I'm ehh on this one on the surface. Hope it works out.

I'd be ecstatic that Michael Lorenzen brought in a top 150-175ish prospect.

Who could've guessed that when they signed him? This is a great haul.

[regularp]

ERod blocked a trade to the Dodgers. Of course Avila gave this guy a ten team no trade clause.

They're about to get next to nothing for him.

[tgriffey30]

Rodriguez vetoed trade to Dodgers

[Rememberthepast]

:59 minutes for plan B

[regularp]

Why did they negotiate with the Dodgers before getting approval from ERod? What was the point?

[Rememberthepast]

I’m curious what the Dodgers were going to give up.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by regularp

Why did they negotiate with the Dodgers before getting approval from ERod? What was the point?

Kind of dumb unless there was verbal thing in place and Erod changed his mind.

[regularp]

Rodriguez left the team for three months last year and he wouldn't waive his no-trade clause two months before he hits free agency. What a dickhead.

[base set]

I wonder how many of his 9 other teams are major market contenders (i.e. every major market team but the Mets) ? Probably most of the other 8.

[Rememberthepast]

Maybe Erod wanted to pitch against the Pirates tomorrow!

[regularp]

Harris is officially Avila status. What a disaster.

[Rememberthepast]

ERod better not opt out. I bet he gets booed if he struggles the rest of the year.

[base set]

Or maybe his No-Trade is all to teams in the West divisions.

I thought he might be a challenge to trade and didn’t know about the No Trade clause till today.

[regularp]

A master class in incompetence by Harris. He knew who the ten teams on ERod's no trade clause list were and he still negotiated with one of them to the final hour without ERod's approval WITHOUT a backup plan.

Harris should be raked over the coals for this.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Rememberthepast

ERod better not opt out. I bet he gets booed if he struggles the rest of the year.

He's gonna opt out, he can't be given the QO having gotten it already.

Horrible results today.

[Scottish Punk]

So all the talk about having other players being looked at Carp, Foley, Lange - nothing. I am ok with keeping that group. At a minimum, Erod and Lorenzon needed to be moved. Only Lorenzon. I agree, I don't get spending all that time in getting a deal done with Dodgers if that is one of his 10 no do teams. We need a follow up on this.

Any scouting report on our prospect. He projects as 2nd base? We just drafted a high prospect for 2nd base. Could get blocked if Jung progresses quickly. Not that I expected much from Lorenzon deal.

Disappointing day for the Tigers. Can Harris redeem himself and get Baez drunk at the end of the year and have him opt out.

[JustinVerlander07]

Keith Law had Lee as a sleeper prospect coming into the year and he's probably a top 100-150 prospect. It's a terrific get for 2 months of a mid player like Lorenzen.

Too much fretting over positional depth. It'd be a great problem to have if both panned out and played 2B and you had to move one to a different position.

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Keith Law had Lee as a sleeper prospect coming into the year and he's probably a top 100-150 prospect. It's a terrific get for 2 months of a mid player like Lorenzen.

Too much fretting over positional depth. It'd be a great problem to have if both panned out and played 2B and you had to move one to a different position.

Agree with the above.

It still boggles my mind that a GM would negotiate with a team on a player's No Trade list without being sure the player would approve the trade first. It also boggles my mind that a player would choose to stay with a losing club instead of accept being traded to a winning club (with the exceptions of if a player has put down roots somewhere or something).

[salas1991]

After E-Rod's whole personal leave thing last year where everyone was wondering what happened to him for the two months he was gone, do we really think this is all Harris's fault, or is it a case of E-Rod having given initial indications that he would potentially consider a trade to L.A., and then changing his mind later? If that were indeed the case, of course Harris isn't going to come out and say E-Rod was the hang-up here. I think you can pretty easily read into his responses afterwards that something like this really was what happened: they were in contact, E-Rod gave no indication that he would veto the trade (and perhaps actually gave indication that he would not), and then backtracked. I think that if Harris is at fault on anything here, it's not potentially having a plan B in place - but then again maybe there was no plan B that didn't involve a much lesser haul for the guy.

[Fulmer4MVP]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

Agree with the above.

It still boggles my mind that a GM would negotiate with a team on a player's No Trade list without being sure the player would approve the trade first. It also boggles my mind that a player would choose to stay with a losing club instead of accept being traded to a winning club (with the exceptions of if a player has put down roots somewhere or something).

Might be that the Dodgers were the only ones that offered anything for E Rod that was more than a bag of baseballs. Its Avila's fault for giving him that stupid contract with the no trade and opt out clauses.

[regularp]

Ken Rosenthal with some reporting on the disaster:

https://theathletic.com/4745234/2023...s_token=708540

However, according to team sources briefed on the discussions, Rodriguez and Mato asked for financial and contractual enhancements for the pitcher to join the Dodgers, one of 10 teams to which he is contractually permitted to block a trade. When those enhancements were not granted, he invoked his no-trade protection.

Mato declined comment when asked about one of the enhancements sources said he proposed — an additional year on Rodriguez’s contract at $20 million if he declined to opt out.

For the Tigers, the failure to trade Rodriguez represented a catastrophic outcome, and not simply because they lost the chance to acquire prospects for arguably the top starting pitcher on the market. If Rodriguez opts out, the Tigers will lose him for nothing; teams cannot extend a qualifying offer and receive draft-pick compensation for a player who previously rejected a QO. The Tigers also were unable to escape the downside risk of Rodriguez’s contract, and face the possibility of him signing up for his remaining $49 million if he is injured or ineffective in the final two months.

An agreement on players was struck Monday night, the eve of the deadline. The talks between the Dodgers and Mato, however, quickly went awry. On Tuesday, the day of the deadline, the Dodgers worked multiple angles, discussing trades for Justin Verlander and Jordan Montgomery while exploring three-team deals involving Rodriguez that could have landed them a different starting pitcher.

To make such a trade work, the Tigers would have sent Rodriguez to one of the 19 teams he could not block. That team would have traded a starting pitcher to the Dodgers. And the Dodgers would have sent the Tigers the same package of prospects they intended to trade for Rodriguez.

The Twins were one of four or five teams involved in such discussions, sources said; the Rays were another. Like Rodriguez, Twins right-handers Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda are potential free agents. Either would have bolstered the Dodgers. But the talks never gained traction, in part because they occurred so close to the deadline and the deal was too complex for the parties to reach agreement quickly.

The supply of starting pitchers was so limited, four contenders — the Reds, Red Sox, Braves and Diamondbacks — were shut out. Once the Tigers’ talks with the Dodgers began to disintegrate, less than 24 hours before the deadline, Harris should have looked for the best deal possible, even for a minimal return.

Some rival executives, granted anonymity so they could speak candidly, said Harris’ asking prices for his trade candidates were too high, a common complaint at the deadline. But Harris succeeded in trading righty Michael Lorenzen, a pure rental without an opt-out, to the Phillies. And he had a deal in place for Rodriguez until Mato, an agent a number of executives view as unpredictable, got involved.

Whatever happened, whoever is to blame, the outcome could not have been worse. For all the parties involved.

[regularp]

As Isaac Paredes hits a two-RBI double, I'd like to remind everyone that he hit two home runs in 57 career games as a Tiger and has 41 and counting the with Tampa the past two seasons.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by regularp

As Isaac Paredes hits a two-RBI double, I'd like to remind everyone that he hit two home runs in 57 career games as a Tiger and has 41 and counting the with Tampa the past two seasons.

What's your point? It shouldn't be anything other than the Rays clearly changed his swing.