***Official 2025 Detroit Tigers Thread***

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

In the way too early to actually matter rankings, they have one of the best offenses in Baseball through 2 weeks. Keep it up stifle!

Also, all the teams winning World Series lately rely heavily on analytics, probably a good idea the Tigers are leaning into it!

Yes, the offense is right up there. The Tigers WHIP is impressive as well. I would say that after going into series vs the Dodgers and Yankees and be that high up is much more impressive JustinVerlander07 ! Just saying that the pitching staff has been through the toughest schedule in baseball so far. You may have missed that point.

If you believe that the Dodgers and Yankees are based on analytics rather than on spending on talent that can mash the ball while having good pitchers then you don’t need to be a analytical genius to purchase the amount of talent and place it on the field. Just a hint, Detroit isn’t spending like the Dodgers or Yankees to field those teams anymore. NYY & LAD are 12-2 at Home and 3-7 Away.

Not many people that I know would make the comments you made after the Tigers pitching staff has spun the Yankees bats to shame. I do like the hitting but don’t be delusional to think it’s the Tigers strength.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Yes, the offense is right up there. The Tigers WHIP is impressive as well. I would say that after going into series vs the Dodgers and Yankees and be that high up is much more impressive JustinVerlander07 ! Just saying that the pitching staff has been through the toughest schedule in baseball so far. You may have missed that point.

If you believe that the Dodgers and Yankees are based on analytics rather than on spending on talent that can mash the ball while having good pitchers then you don’t need to be a analytical genius to purchase the amount of talent and place it on the field. Just a hint, Detroit isn’t spending like the Dodgers or Yankees to field those teams anymore. NYY & LAD are 12-2 at Home and 3-7 Away.

Not many people that I know would make the comments you made after the Tigers pitching staff has spun the Yankees bats to shame. I do like the hitting but don’t be delusional to think it’s the Tigers strength.

If. you really don't believe that all teams are fairly heavily using analytics at this point I don't know what to say to you, but the teams winning (Even the Dodgers spending a billion dollars) lean heavily into analytics.

Also, you're delusional, where in the world did I say the offense is the strength of this team? You can find several posts in this thread from me where I state more or less this team will win because of it's pitching as long as the offense can be about league average.

Do you even read?

[hairysasquatch]

Do you even read, bro?

Fell back to earth today.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

If. you really don't believe that all teams are fairly heavily using analytics at this point I don't know what to say to you, but the teams winning (Even the Dodgers spending a billion dollars) lean heavily into analytics.

Also, you're delusional, where in the world did I say the offense is the strength of this team? You can find several posts in this thread from me where I state more or less this team will win because of it's pitching as long as the offense can be about league average.

Do you even read?

Voiceover Narrator: "He does not."

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

If. you really don't believe that all teams are fairly heavily using analytics at this point I don't know what to say to you, but the teams winning (Even the Dodgers spending a billion dollars) lean heavily into analytics.

Also, you're delusional, where in the world did I say the offense is the strength of this team? You can find several posts in this thread from me where I state more or less this team will win because of it's pitching as long as the offense can be about league average.

Do you even read?

I read it and laughed. The Yankees have 10 position players who are roughly 95% of the plate appearances this season. The Dodgers are above 90% with 10 position players (Freeman injury is the result of not a higher %). I could go on with many more playoff teams from last season to this year that have a core who are barely rotated based on the opposing pitchers. It’s not much of analytics if the same lineups are utilized by these teams.

How often does the best hitter (K. Carpenter) on the team who leads in Home Runs and RBI’s and is in a 3 way tie for 11th place for WAR on his team is rotated out of the lineup? Analyze that and let me know how many other teams have their best hitters being rotated in and out based on pure matchups of opposing pitchers. The Tigers have utilized either 14 or 15 position players at much higher percentages than most. That is using analytics.

All teams use it for their pitchers but when teams keep rolling out the same lineup and people claim they are analytics based then that is guff.

[regularp]

Dillon Dingler has been off to a nice start this season.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Stifle

I read it and laughed. The Yankees have 10 position players who are roughly 95% of the plate appearances this season. The Dodgers are above 90% with 10 position players (Freeman injury is the result of not a higher %). I could go on with many more playoff teams from last season to this year that have a core who are barely rotated based on the opposing pitchers. It’s not much of analytics if the same lineups are utilized by these teams.

How often does the best hitter (K. Carpenter) on the team who leads in Home Runs and RBI’s and is in a 3 way tie for 11th place for WAR on his team is rotated out of the lineup? Analyze that and let me know how many other teams have their best hitters being rotated in and out based on pure matchups of opposing pitchers. The Tigers have utilized either 14 or 15 position players at much higher percentages than most. That is using analytics.

All teams use it for their pitchers but when teams keep rolling out the same lineup and people claim they are analytics based then that is guff.

I think you've confused analytics and platoon splits. Probably should stop while you're behind.

[regularp]

Spencer Torkelson...do it in May.

Jokes aside, this will be a helluva story if he keeps this up. He was ATROCIOUS last season and looked like a massive bust.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I think you've confused analytics and platoon splits. Probably should stop while you're behind.

Do you understand what the word “analyze” means ? Just why do you think these players are being platooned? It’s because they have been analyzed to the point of facing the pitchers they perform better against. Judge, Ohtani, Betts, Alonso, and a slew of other players don’t sit unless they need a rest.

The only reason I’m behind is because I’m pushing you up the hill of common sense. To say everybody uses analytics, yes, every pitching change is based on what the batter does vs a certain style pitcher. When a team rolls out a lineup that could care less if it’s a righty, lefty, flamethrower or a knuckleballer and then to claim the lineup is analytically set up is ridiculous. These players are better than those on the bench and are in the lineup constantly.

Tigers received another strong outing from their pitchers. Did enough hitting you make it easier on the pitchers. Hope they can keep it up.

[base set]

I caught some clips of Binetti & Dirks imitating Golf announcing today … sounded fun.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Stifle

The only reason I’m behind is because I’m pushing you up the hill of common sense.

Was JV07 just "stifled"??

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Was JV07 just "stifled"??

Your Tigers did a good job slapping around my Yankees this week.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Your Tigers did a good job slapping around my Yankees this week.

The year is off to a good start! I no longer have YES on cable package and I do kind of miss being able to flip on a Jangeys game in the background while working out. My oldest son is a huge Yanks fan.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

The year is off to a good start! I no longer have YES on cable package and I do kind of miss being able to flip on a Jangeys game in the background while working out. My oldest son is a huge Yanks fan.

Who is your cable provider?

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Your Tigers did a good job slapping around my Yankees this week.

Tiger fans are not greedy, who are we kidding, we wanted a sweep but we will take 2. Not sure our pitchers will repeat that kind of series again vs that Yankee lineup.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Tiger fans are not greedy, who are we kidding, we wanted a sweep but we will take 2. Not sure our pitchers will repeat that kind of series again vs that Yankee lineup.

I've learned to take it while you can. So enjoy it.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Who is your cable provider?

Spectrum, of course.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by regularp

Spencer Torkelson...do it in May.

Jokes aside, this will be a helluva story if he keeps this up. He was ATROCIOUS last season and looked like a massive bust.

Best thing that may happen is the injuries forcing them to play Tork everyday. If everyone is healthy he probably only plays a few games so far.

Originally Posted by Stifle

Do you understand what the word “analyze” means ? Just why do you think these players are being platooned? It’s because they have been analyzed to the point of facing the pitchers they perform better against. Judge, Ohtani, Betts, Alonso, and a slew of other players don’t sit unless they need a rest.

The only reason I’m behind is because I’m pushing you up the hill of common sense. To say everybody uses analytics, yes, every pitching change is based on what the batter does vs a certain style pitcher. When a team rolls out a lineup that could care less if it’s a righty, lefty, flamethrower or a knuckleballer and then to claim the lineup is analytically set up is ridiculous. These players are better than those on the bench and are in the lineup constantly.

Tigers received another strong outing from their pitchers. Did enough hitting you make it easier on the pitchers. Hope they can keep it up.

If you think analytics existed when platooning happened in the 80s I have beachfront Nebraska property for you. Don't be so dense. (I know that's hard for you)

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Best thing that may happen is the injuries forcing them to play Tork everyday. If everyone is healthy he probably only plays a few games so far.



If you think analytics existed when platooning happened in the 80s I have beachfront Nebraska property for you. Don't be so dense. (I know that's hard for you)

Sure they had analytics in the 80's. It was just relegated to right/left and hot/cold. 😉

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Best thing that may happen is the injuries forcing them to play Tork everyday. If everyone is healthy he probably only plays a few games so far.



If you think analytics existed when platooning happened in the 80s I have beachfront Nebraska property for you. Don't be so dense. (I know that's hard for you)

You are becoming heavier with your nails dragging up the hill of common sense / facts. Analytics in extreme short is “Analyzing statistics, data and patterns”. When Chris Ilitch comes out and grows the Tigers analytical department and multiple news articles discuss this then please read them. Try Sports Business Journal on April 8 2022, “Tigers owner Chris Ilitch talks about vision of 22 season”.

What is it that Hinch stated that the Tigers needed to improve on with their existing roster, Defense. The Tigers from 11-14 were built on clutch hitting and starting pitching. Try this for analytical stats & data from 11-14 the Tigers, Giants, Rangers & Cardinals played in many post season games. Where did they rank on fielding that WAR loves : SF 8, STL 18, DET 22. Where did these teams rank in GIDP’s which WAR hates : STL 30 “last”, DET 29, Tex 28 & SFG 16. Where did these teams rank in SB which WAR enjoys DET 30 “last”, STL 29, SFG 26, Tex 4. Where did these teams rank in RISP, STL & DET were extremely high if not 1 & 2, I would bet Texas and SFG were high as well.

I’ve discussed the flaws of ROE & CI being in WAR’s formula. What occurred roughly 2 months ago, Baseball Reference hides reached on error from its stats. It’s easier to hide a flaw in the formula than admit to it. Striking out is not equal to putting the ball into play and that part of the formula is being hidden. The Tigers from 11-14 put the ball into play but they were dominant clutch hitters who played as much as their large or older bodies would allow them - Maglio, Miggy, V Mart, Prince, Delmon. All of these guys are critiqued harshly in analytics but could hit, except Prince in the Post Season. We don’t have any players like that on our current roster because it’s a analytical roster not a clutch roster. WAR : ALL SITUATIONS ARE EQUAL, sure.

[bub838]

Tl;dr

[Stifle]

Receiving a nice pitching performance but Greene is struggling in the clutch, 0-3 RISP.

Was hoping he could be a 3 hole hitter but even the worst analyst can see that a guy who has a single for 13 at bats in RISP opportunities with 2 RBI’s and is struggling just as bad with men on base with 3 singles and a double in 24 at bats for only 2 RBI’s isn’t the answer. I like Riley but he is in a clutch funk. Like Jim Leyland stated “Who is going to get that hit”

RISP :
07 Maglio 228 PA, 82 H, 7 HR, 107 RBI .429/.498/.639/1.137
11 VMart. 181 PA, 61 H, 5 HR, 87 RBI .394/.548/.442/ .990
11 Miggy. 197 PA, 57 H, 10 HR, 75 RBI .388/.518/.674/1.191
12 Miggy. 205 PA, 62 H, 9 HR, 89 RBI .356/.425/.581/1.005
12 Prince. 201 PA, 51 H, 7 HR, 78 RBI .338/.468/.563/1.031
13 Miggy. 204 PA, 62 H, 18 HR, 99 RBI .397/.529/.782/1.312
13 Prince. 213 PA, 51 H, 7 HR, 78 RBI .282/.371/.453/.824
14 VMart. 177 PA, 43 H, 8 HR, 67 RBI .326/.463/.554/1.016
14 Miggy. 176 PA, 49 H, 6 HR, 79 RBI .336/.386/.534/.921

[JustinVerlander07]

Oh no Riley didn't do something in 13 ABs in the middle of April! DFA HIM!!!!

God even Babe Ruth went 1-13 at some point just drop the act stifle.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Oh no Riley didn't do something in 13 ABs in the middle of April! DFA HIM!!!!

God even Babe Ruth went 1-13 at some point just drop the act stifle.

Like I stated, he is in a clutch funk. It’s not a act when you can show data. You should know that since you are the analytical king with zero data supporting your stance. If you don’t have a leg to stand on, stop pretending you can run any longer in our differing opinion. I’ve shown you facts and data and you still are like a hungry tic that I have to keep tossing to the side because you are eager for blood.

By the way, what are the splits with Carpenter in the batting order ? JV went big on Greene cards and now is in protection mode. I hope Riley does well as a number 3 hitter because I believe he is the best option the Tigers have.

[DetroitTN]

Can BOF get rid of this mouth breathing justinverlander07 dolt already? Good lord nobody can have a conversation here with that moron spewing all over the post