WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

I haven't watched in a few weeks. Watching the NBA now. It's beyond horrible. And another fantastic NJPW card on Sunday further hammered in how bad WWE is. It's a big joke. 2.5 hours of garbage and MAYBE 30 minutes of anything.

Comparing NJPW and WWE.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Complaining just seems the "cool" thing to do. RAW hasn't been bad and considering it's going up against a lackluster NBA game it's been pretty good but because people don't get what they want they complain.

It's not the "cool" thing to do. The criticism is absolutely warranted. People want it to get better instead of just consuming the garbage they keep pumping out on a weekly basis.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Comparing NJPW and WWE.

Oh boy... Here goes Einstein again...

I won't bother. You're doing a fine job of making yourself look stupid. Please continue. It's entertaining. Unlike the WWE.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Oh boy... Here goes Einstein again...

I won't bother. You're doing a fine job of making yourself look stupid. Please continue. It's entertaining. Unlike the WWE.

Stay classy.

[roro17]

who is jumping Enzo and Cass?

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

It's not the "cool" thing to do. The criticism is absolutely warranted. People want it to get better instead of just consuming the garbage they keep pumping out on a weekly basis.

I get that. RAW is building storylines. People complain when storylines don't go longer than a few shows and when they do they also complain. WWE can't win with a lot of these fans who have nothing to do but moan and complain.

[Ty Hope]

Some of the better ones:

- ratings don't matter
- all who hate Reigns are smarks
- pointing out the bad on Raw is the cool thing to do
- no one person can carry a match
- NJPW and WWE are impossible to compare
- Raw recently has been "pretty good"
- Reigns has charisma

Any other golden words of wisdom I've missed? lol
Seriously this is comedic brilliance.

[Ty Hope]

Short or drawn out doesn't equal good or bad. Bad is bad.

[no10pin]

Best 2 out of 3 falls in the main event - double count out to end it.

Perfect.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Short or drawn out doesn't equal good or bad. Bad is bad.

RAW in the mid 90's was bad. This isn't that.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by no10pin

Best 2 out of 3 falls in the main event - double count out to end it.

Perfect.

Rivalry is ending at GBOF I bet not a RAW. I'm guessing TLC match if that PPV isn't a RAW show this year.

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by no10pin

Best 2 out of 3 falls in the main event - double count out to end it.

Perfect.

next best of 5 followed by best of 7

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

next best of 5 followed by best of 7

Followed by all 4 being forced to tag team and becoming freebird champs

[jazz1232dc]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Oh boy... Here goes Einstein again...

I won't bother. You're doing a fine job of making yourself look stupid. Please continue. It's entertaining. Unlike the WWE.

And you whine about me trolling??? Pot, meet kettle.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by jazz1232dc

And you whine about me trolling??? Pot, meet kettle.

Whine about you trolling? When you bring such gems like "declining ratings mean nothing"?

lol

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Complaining just seems the "cool" thing to do. RAW hasn't been bad and considering it's going up against a lackluster NBA game it's been pretty good but because people don't get what they want they complain.

What are you talking about??? Complaining about Raw is not the "cool" thing to do. People that are upset that raw sucked are actually fans that want to see a good show but WWE keeps spewing out garbage week in and week out.

I admitted last weeks Raw was a good show. This weeks? You could absolutely see they gave up after the first segment because they figured everyone was going to tune out for the NBA finals game. How about you try putting on a good show, actually do something to build storylines and try to keep the casual WWE/NBA fans tuned into your show vs driving them to the other show?

You could tell right away the show was over 20 minutes in when the "main event" segment started the show. For a week they advertised Brock's return. Years ago the way it would be booked is you advertise a guy like Brock Lesnar and you keep him towards the main event segment, because you want viewers to stay tuned in until the big advertised segment. Instead, Vince is pissing himself thinking of the NBA game so has to quickly get his main event guys out of the way early.

Outside of that segment everything was brutal, and no I'm not saying that to be "cool" Wolves. I'm saying it because it truly sucked. The bear segment was stupid and awful. The women's segment was boring and just kept going on and on. Bayley was cringe worthy. I really like Bayley and want to see her do well, but that ending hug with Graves really had me wanting to change the channel. The tag team main event finish provided heat in a bad way. A double count out? Cesaro and Sheamus are heels, why not have one distract the ref and the other hit a Hardy with a belt or something to steal a victory. At least it shows that the Hardy's had to be screwed to lose and still leads to another match down the line and possibly continues leading to the Broken gimmick.

Trying to think of whatever other segments there were, but honestly it was so forgetful I can't remember much else. Truth and Goldust, fine whatever. Dar/Foxx/Alexander please get off my TV. This was a piss poor performance by Vince after they had a pretty good Raw last week.

[sthoemke]

Cesaro was actually popular before they ruined his character by sticking him in a tag team.

[sthoemke]

Two ideas:

Let someone else be the Heyman Guy for awhile.

Make Brock show up for work and actually have matches every week.

[sthoemke]

I'm anticipating Lucha Underground's 3rd season.

[BoxBreaker72]

Originally Posted by sthoemke

Cesaro was actually popular before they ruined his character by sticking him in a tag team.

Yep, he was MEGA OVER the night he won the Andre battle royal and they preceded to absolutely ruin him right after. It was amazing how poorly they treated him.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by BoxBreaker72

Yep, he was MEGA OVER the night he won the Andre battle royal and they preceded to absolutely ruin him right after. It was amazing how poorly they treated him.

That was the first thing that came to mind for me too. Picking up Big Show and dropping him over the top rope should have been the moment where his character took off. Completely killed the momentum by throwing him in with Heyman the next night, and then abandoning that path shortly after.

[sthoemke]

Bring back the Cesaro Section.

[Jericho]

The Joe/Brock thing was good. Hope Brock isnt Lazy like he has for most of the matches since he came back. Joe is making this match. They better let him look good in there and not make it some stupid 4-5 min match. And the Heyman promos are all the same and have been for the last few yrs, glad people are noticing that finally. The main event was fine, I assume they'll have the final match with those guys at the next PPV. Was great to see Emma come back, but then they had her tap out her first night back, so stupid. They are really protecting Alexa. Wish they'd just realize that she's garbage in the ring and get that title off her.

[fazzle]

Originally Posted by no10pin

That was the first thing that came to mind for me too. Picking up Big Show and dropping him over the top rope should have been the moment where his character took off. Completely killed the momentum by throwing him in with Heyman the next night, and then abandoning that path shortly after.

Yep. The crowd was ready to cheer Cesaro like a megaface, but WWE completely screwed it up by keeping him heel and making him literally just a prop so that Heyman had a reason to come out and talk about Brock ending the streak every week.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

What are you talking about??? Complaining about Raw is not the "cool" thing to do. People that are upset that raw sucked are actually fans that want to see a good show but WWE keeps spewing out garbage week in and week out.

I admitted last weeks Raw was a good show. This weeks? You could absolutely see they gave up after the first segment because they figured everyone was going to tune out for the NBA finals game. How about you try putting on a good show, actually do something to build storylines and try to keep the casual WWE/NBA fans tuned into your show vs driving them to the other show?

You could tell right away the show was over 20 minutes in when the "main event" segment started the show. For a week they advertised Brock's return. Years ago the way it would be booked is you advertise a guy like Brock Lesnar and you keep him towards the main event segment, because you want viewers to stay tuned in until the big advertised segment. Instead, Vince is pissing himself thinking of the NBA game so has to quickly get his main event guys out of the way early.

Outside of that segment everything was brutal, and no I'm not saying that to be "cool" Wolves. I'm saying it because it truly sucked. The bear segment was stupid and awful. The women's segment was boring and just kept going on and on. Bayley was cringe worthy. I really like Bayley and want to see her do well, but that ending hug with Graves really had me wanting to change the channel. The tag team main event finish provided heat in a bad way. A double count out? Cesaro and Sheamus are heels, why not have one distract the ref and the other hit a Hardy with a belt or something to steal a victory. At least it shows that the Hardy's had to be screwed to lose and still leads to another match down the line and possibly continues leading to the Broken gimmick.

Trying to think of whatever other segments there were, but honestly it was so forgetful I can't remember much else. Truth and Goldust, fine whatever. Dar/Foxx/Alexander please get off my TV. This was a piss poor performance by Vince after they had a pretty good Raw last week.

There was a lot of good/progressing of storylines: I won't mention Brock-Joe cause we are talking after it.
Emma returned
3 legit challengers are gunning for Alex's title (Nia, Emma. Mickie)
Who is taking out Cass and Enzo?
Eventual Show vs Cass match
Miz paranoia
Even the tag titles are getting good rub right now.
Titus Brand is becoming a hit.
There's a lot of good RAW is doing.