2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[blackbears86]

[QUOTE=gopherfan;16178692]I understand the need for taxation. I don't agree with the incredible amount of government bloat. We should tax much less, and get rid of all the loopholes. Everyone pay the same percent. Your tax bill should come in an envelope with one sheet of paper. "You made $58,000, you owe $5800." Amazon makes $50 billion, they owe 5 billion. You make $8000, you owe $800. Simple. 10% or whatever number. No corporate welfare, but some personal welfare remains. I understand there is a need for a


edit. my bad!

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Where do you feel govt. cuts can be made and how would you prefer your taxes allocated to govt. programs?

I would start with the IRS. 74,454 employees making a total of $5,718,960,648. I would reduce regulatory departments. I would eliminate government unions.

Originally Posted by wood minis

I like this idea but I feel like there should be a basic amount exempt for everyone since someone making $8000 shouldn't be paying the government $800, even if they are homeless and eating from a food pantry every day.

The problem is, where is that number? Currently 44% of people are below the number needed to start paying federal income tax. That means they can continue to vote for people that will give them more social programs because it doesn't affect them. They can basically vote to take from those with more money. i.e. Tax the rich. If everyone has to think about what it will cost them if they vote to raise taxes, they may put in a little more thought.

Originally Posted by mike1498

I don't like a single tax percentage. Some people a 10% tax isn't livable while for some it's a slap on the wrist. That being said, I don't know what the magic number is, it 100% should be a bracket.

Are you saying that 100% should be a tax bracket? If that is what you want, then companies will shut down once the owner gets to that number. Why keep working and taking risks for literally zero gain? Now you lay off 100% of your staff because it doesn't make sense to keep paying them if you aren't making money.

[tpeichel34]

The globalist finally admits that the push for globalization increased wealthy disparity much more than they previously admitted because of hyperglobalization

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...990s-economics

And so during the 1990s, a number of economists, myself included, tried to figure out how much the changing trade landscape was contributing to rising inequality. They generally concluded that the effect was relatively modest and not the central factor in the widening income gap. So academic interest in the possible adverse effects of trade, while it never went away, waned.

In the past few years, however, worries about globalization have shot back to the top of the agenda, partly due to new research and partly due to the political shocks of Brexit and U.S. President Donald Trump. And as one of the people who helped shape the 1990s consensus — that the contribution of rising trade to rising inequality was real but modest — it seems appropriate for me to ask now what we missed.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Just for craps and giggles what’s that number?

Some progressive system that we have now with no deductions whatsoever.

No corporate tax whatsoever BUT massive levels of income tax at the highest levels of personal income.

Probably

0% on the first $15K
10% up to $50k
15% up to $100K
20% up to $200K
25% up to $400K
35% up to $1M
40% up to $8M
70% anything greater than $8M

Pour it into your business and pay it out in wages and I don’t tax you whatsoever. Take it out and it becomes income and you’re getting hammered. NO DEDUCTIONS whatsoever. What you make is what you pay, however you make it.

Not exact numbers as I’d want to see data at every level, but the gist.

For reference my effective rate this past year was ~12%.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by wood minis

The biggest problem with politics isn't the differing views that are obvious when you read everyone here. It is that politicians line their pockets. Then they are no longer representatives to anyone but themselves and those lining their pockets.

I think everyone agrees on that. McConnell, Pelosi and their cronies have got very wealthy while in power.

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Agree. It shouldn't be legal, but it is, and trumps taking advantage of it, just like biden probably is.

Except structuring isnt legal.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Except structuring isnt legal.

ahhhh. got it. But it does seem to be rampant.

[TASS]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sadly legal, I dont understand the outrage.

It's most likely because it's personal finances for the POTUS, that same POTUS that remains the ONLY individual to hold that office that's failed to make his personal financials/ Tax returns public.

Even if your a Trump supporter you have to have some curiosity as to why it's been an issue, remember all his predecessors have willingly released their documents.

[zachtruitt]

Originally Posted by TASS

It's most likely because it's personal finances for the POTUS, that same POTUS that remains the ONLY individual to hold that office that's failed to make his personal financials/ Tax returns public.

Even if your a Trump supporter you have to have some curiosity as to why it's been an issue, remember all his predecessors have willingly released their documents.

Financial background checks for Presidents and members of Congress must be made into law. "Tradition" means nothing to this know-nothing imbecile.

My feeling is this quote will be the ultimate undoing of Trump "in a few days it will be down to zero". Head in the sand at its finest. Just loop that in a 30 second commercial.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Almost any tax system you create people will find ways to take advantage of. I do my damndest to pay the lowest amount as possible each year.

My “utopian” tax system would be shot down by almost everybody, so I’m out on my own ledge with what I wish our tax code was like.

I doubt there will ever be a universally agreed upon tax policy, and appreciated you putting out your tentative tax code.

At some point the greater question is how are our taxes allocated at the local, state and national levels and what measures would we like to see in relocation of the money we pay to govt?

As some are glad to only discuss program budget cuts, cutting alone isn’t not going resolve the vast array of economic and social issues we’re facing in the U.S.

[trixstar]

Republicans spending $2.9m in Georgia...yikes

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Are you saying that 100% should be a tax bracket? If that is what you want, then companies will shut down once the owner gets to that number. Why keep working and taking risks for literally zero gain? Now you lay off 100% of your staff because it doesn't make sense to keep paying them if you aren't making money.

No Im saying I'm 100% certain that we should keep brackets. A flat tax is a horrific idea. Again, it ONLY benefits the wealthy.

[tpeichel34]

Sarah Carter is reporting that the FBI had a spy on the Trump Transition team, helping to perpetuate the right-wing conspiracy that the FBI and DOJ were weaponized to spy on President Trump. Very irresponsible reporting.

https://saraacarter.com/judicial-wat...ial-informant/

[patzee]

someone requested this:
Here ya go..
Right wing
Actually slang. Derived from how the conservatives in France, during the French revolution, sat on the right side of their governing house (whatever that was). In America, (and this is widely misunderstood by college students) Right Wing refers to conservatives who, by their nature, favor a small limited government with little power and little control over the people, with most of the power residing within the local state governments. Basically anti-federalist. In other words, the politicians who DON'T want more government involved with your everyday life. They don't want the government to get too big have a lot of control over the people.

[patzee]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

How did the systemically racist election system allow Barack Obama to slip through...twice?

LOL.

[patzee]

Originally Posted by wood minis

There are certainly racists in New York State, like every other State.

A system where the most powerful legislative body in the Country is, to this day, predominantly white is just one example of why there is a black lives matter movement.

The history of the USA can easily be seen through the lens of systemic racism. Are we better than we were 50, 100, 200 or 300 years ago. Sure. But to ask a question as if there is a doubt about whether systemic racism exists in this country is disingenuous in my opinion.

systemic racism ...it does not exist...it's a media ploy to divide the country and it is working very well with the mindless leftist sheeple hanging on every media word...

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by patzee

someone requested this:
Here ya go..
Right wing
Actually slang. Derived from how the conservatives in France, during the French revolution, sat on the right side of their governing house (whatever that was). In America, (and this is widely misunderstood by college students) Right Wing refers to conservatives who, by their nature, favor a small limited government with little power and little control over the people, with most of the power residing within the local state governments. Basically anti-federalist. In other words, the politicians who DON'T want more government involved with your everyday life. They don't want the government to get too big have a lot of control over the people.

Small government? Politicians who don't want more government control are a very rare breed in America. After all, how can you operate a global American empire and still be for small government?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by patzee

systemic racism ...it does not exist...it's a media ploy to divide the country and it is working very well with the mindless leftist sheeple hanging on every media word...

This ignores the history of our Country. Like our Nation has perfectly evolved to reach this utopia of the present.

[patzee]

Originally Posted by wood minis

This ignores the history of our Country. Like our Nation has perfectly evolved to reach this utopia of the present.

the current events of violence in the streets has nothing to do with racism. It's Marxist Leftist pigs wanting to destroy AMERICA. Mostly funded by George Soros.
READ, learn, leave the party of chaos!
you can start with Leo Turrell,
then move onto:
Notable black conservatives in politics
Lincoln Alexander
Kemi Badenoch
Lindsay Blackett
Ken Blackwell
Mangosuthu Buthelezi
Herman Cain
Lionel Carmant
Ben Carson
Ernest Chénière
David Clarke
Anne Cools
Stanley Crouch
James Cleverly
Afonso Dhlakama
Christian Dubé
Larry Elder
Nadine Girault
Audrey Gordon
Velenkosini Hlabisa
Will Hurd
Zora Neale Hurston
Niger Innis
Toni Iwobi
Albert Kalonji
Belinda Karahalios
Jomo Kenyatta
Alan Keyes
Alveda King
Kwasi Kwarteng
Mia Love
Kaycee Madu
Don Meredith
Kenneth Meshoe
Lucette Michaux-Chevry
Ossufo Momade
Isaiah Montgomery
Deroy Murdock
Donald Oliver
Candace Owens
Charles Payne
Marie-Luce Penchard
Jesse Lee Peterson
Maurice Ponga
Samuel Poulin
Condoleezza Rice
Arthur Richards
George Rogers
Isaías Samakuva
Jonas Savimbi
George Schuyler
Tim Scott
Mobutu Sese Seko
Christopher Skeete
Thomas Sowell
Michael Steele
Shelby Steele
Clarence Thomas
Michael Thompson
Dick Ukeiwé
Booker T. Washington
J. C. Watts
Allen West
Armstrong Williams
Rama Yade
Deneen Borelli
Kay Coles James
Star Parker
Carol Swain

[wood minis]

I don't know anyone looking to destroy America. Yikes.

[zachtruitt]

Originally Posted by patzee

the current events of violence in the streets has nothing to do with racism. It's Marxist Leftist pigs wanting to destroy AMERICA. Mostly funded by George Soros.
READ, learn, leave the party of chaos!
you can start with Leo Turrell,
then move onto:
Notable black conservatives in politics
Lincoln Alexander
Kemi Badenoch
Lindsay Blackett
Ken Blackwell
Mangosuthu Buthelezi
Herman Cain
Lionel Carmant
Ben Carson
Ernest Chénière
David Clarke
Anne Cools
Stanley Crouch
James Cleverly
Afonso Dhlakama
Christian Dubé
Larry Elder
Nadine Girault
Audrey Gordon
Velenkosini Hlabisa
Will Hurd
Zora Neale Hurston
Niger Innis
Toni Iwobi
Albert Kalonji
Belinda Karahalios
Jomo Kenyatta
Alan Keyes
Alveda King
Kwasi Kwarteng
Mia Love
Kaycee Madu
Don Meredith
Kenneth Meshoe
Lucette Michaux-Chevry
Ossufo Momade
Isaiah Montgomery
Deroy Murdock
Donald Oliver
Candace Owens
Charles Payne
Marie-Luce Penchard
Jesse Lee Peterson
Maurice Ponga
Samuel Poulin
Condoleezza Rice
Arthur Richards
George Rogers
Isaías Samakuva
Jonas Savimbi
George Schuyler
Tim Scott
Mobutu Sese Seko
Christopher Skeete
Thomas Sowell
Michael Steele
Shelby Steele
Clarence Thomas
Michael Thompson
Dick Ukeiwé
Booker T. Washington
J. C. Watts
Allen West
Armstrong Williams
Rama Yade
Deneen Borelli
Kay Coles James
Star Parker
Carol Swain

Incredible political insight here, this dude went to Harvard.

[patzee]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I don't know anyone looking to destroy America. Yikes.

...you have to be joking or just baiting...no one can be that naive...
How have you been hurt under our great President Trump? before the pandemic which no one could have controlled other than CHINA releasing it here and throughout the world!
YIKES IS CORRECT. You post is very frightening! although I don't believe it. LOL.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by patzee

the current events of violence in the streets has nothing to do with racism. It's Marxist Leftist pigs wanting to destroy AMERICA. Mostly funded by George Soros.
READ, learn, leave the party of chaos!
you can start with Leo Turrell,

Probably should start with Leo Terrell instead, since he actually exists.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by patzee

...you have to be joking or just baiting...no one can be that naive...
How have you been hurt under our great President Trump? before the pandemic which no one could have controlled other than CHINA releasing it here and throughout the world!
YIKES IS CORRECT. You post is very frightening! although I don't believe it. LOL.

Rave on John Donne...

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I don't know anyone looking to destroy America. Yikes.

Equality = destroying