Aaron Judge - Page 1146

fulltritty · 09-25-2025, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

sure, but "if's" do not trump did

Either way, both will be in the Hall of Fame and you will never win an argument with an Ohtani fan because no one is as good as him unless hey pitch too.

ThoseBackPages · 09-25-2025, 10:00 AM

playing the "if" game...

if Judge didnt hit 62 Home Runs in 2022 Ohtani would have won the MVP, making this year his fifth in a row

JRX · 09-25-2025, 10:17 AM

It really doesn't matter. He's going to be a first ballot hall of famer. He's been on of the best hitters of all time the last 4 years.

ThoseBackPages · 09-25-2025, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

It really doesn't matter. He's going to be a first ballot hall of famer. He's been on of the best hitters of all time the last 4 years.

i agree he will get in first try. But Mauer and Beltre got in first try so individual hardware is important.

JRX · 09-25-2025, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i agree he will get in first try. But Mauer and Beltre got in first try so individual hardware is important.

Nobody is going to put Judge in with those two lol

Scarlet Knight · 09-25-2025, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

it sure will be interesting.

no longer AL HR King AND two MVPs behind Ohtani.

the who's better argument is losing steam

In the words of Lee Corso... not so fast, my friend!

Raleigh still has to hit three home runs in four games. Far from a sure thing.

ThoseBackPages · 09-25-2025, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Knight

In the words of Lee Corso... not so fast, my friend!

Raleigh still has to hit three home runs in four games. Far from a sure thing.

i hope youre right!

JRX · 09-25-2025, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Knight

In the words of Lee Corso... not so fast, my friend!

Raleigh still has to hit three home runs in four games. Far from a sure thing.

he has another game vs the rockies, he could get 3 today!

fulltritty · 09-25-2025, 11:32 AM

Another interesting Judge fact this season.

Judge has 34 intentional walks this year. No team in MLB (other than the Yankees obviously) has more than 33 intentional walks.

Absknicks · 09-25-2025, 12:37 PM

Unfortunately the MVP is a narrative driven award and the voters often fall into groupthink.

The fact that Judge has been miles better than Raleigh (and everyone else in MLB) from an offensive production standpoint doesn't matter at this point. "if Raleigh gets to 60, he wins the MVP," was the parroted line we've heard for the last few weeks in the media, and I'd fully expect that to be the case now.

Of course Ohtani fans will now be saying 4-2 in MVPs but anyone with a brain realizes Judge should have 4. Ohtani also can't boast a batting title and can't even seem to OPS within 130 points of Judge in any given year. Judge has proven to be the far better hitter.

Absknicks · 09-25-2025, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

playing the "if" game...

if Judge didnt hit 62 Home Runs in 2022 Ohtani would have won the MVP, making this year his fifth in a row

Only reason Ohtani won in 2023 was because Judge ran into the Dodgers Stadium wall.

ironfireman · 09-25-2025, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Absknicks

Unfortunately the MVP is a narrative driven award and the voters often fall into groupthink.

The fact that Judge has been miles better than Raleigh (and everyone else in MLB) from an offensive production standpoint doesn't matter at this point. "if Raleigh gets to 60, he wins the MVP," was the parroted line we've heard for the last few weeks in the media, and I'd fully expect that to be the case now.

Of course Ohtani fans will now be saying 4-2 in MVPs but anyone with a brain realizes Judge should have 4. Ohtani also can't boast a batting title and can't even seem to OPS within 130 points of Judge in any given year. Judge has proven to be the far better hitter.

Yeah I think once Raleigh hit 60 and the Mariners won the division for the first time since 2001 it should be Raleigh. Judge is the better hitter but only played 91 games as a corner OF. Raleigh is a GG/Platinum catcher and just smashed the record for a catcher by 12 HRs and counting. Yeah he'd have the lowest batting aver but has 960 OPS so while plenty of former MVPs had sub 800 OPS being defensive/contact guys.

iBUYJUNK · 09-25-2025, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fulltritty

Only in the minds of Ohtani fans. Who was Ohtani's competition in the NL this year? No one is having an amazing year like Cal in the NL. Whrn you are as good as Ohtani and have zero competition, you're going to win the award. If Cal was playing up to is normal year, Judge would have won by a mile this year.

No love for Schwarber?

fulltritty · 09-25-2025, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by iBUYJUNK

No love for Schwarber?

He only leads in 2 categories compared to Ohtani's 9 categories, is well behind Ohtani in WAR, is a DH only, and doesn't pitch.

ThoseBackPages · 09-25-2025, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Absknicks

Unfortunately the MVP is a narrative driven award and the voters often fall into groupthink.

The fact that Judge has been miles better than Raleigh (and everyone else in MLB) from an offensive production standpoint doesn't matter at this point. "if Raleigh gets to 60, he wins the MVP," was the parroted line we've heard for the last few weeks in the media, and I'd fully expect that to be the case now.

Of course Ohtani fans will now be saying 4-2 in MVPs but anyone with a brain realizes Judge should have 4. Ohtani also can't boast a batting title and can't even seem to OPS within 130 points of Judge in any given year. Judge has proven to be the far better hitter.

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Originally Posted by Absknicks

Only reason Ohtani won in 2023 was because Judge ran into the Dodgers Stadium wall.

if if if if if

more if's

The Hardware is The Hardware.

i agree that it sucks, but thats the way it is

speedyjg13 · 09-25-2025, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

if if if if if

more if's

The Hardware is The Hardware.

i agree that it sucks, but thats the way it is

Hardware is hardware and Judge fans mad he may not get that elusive 3rd MVP and Ohtani will get his 4th MVP. Judge fans don't want Judge to be 2nd to Ohtani...and even worse, lose an MVP to Raleigh after losing one to Altuve.

livfreely · 09-25-2025, 02:14 PM

Judge is going to hit 5 HR’s tonight!!!!!

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Mister2Bits · 09-25-2025, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Hardware is hardware and Judge fans mad he may not get that elusive 3rd MVP and Ohtani will get his 4th MVP. Judge fans don't want Judge to be 2nd to Ohtani...and even worse, lose an MVP to Raleigh after losing one to Altuve.

1st part of your statement is incorrect. Ohtani deserves everything.

2nd part about Cal is just hard to accept. He's amazing and having an amazing season. If he gets the MVP at least he earned it.

3rd part about Altuve is very correct. It's the only MVP I would take away if I had the power. He cheated. Plain and simple.

Judge deserves to be a 3X MVP because he earned it, not because someone outplayed him.

JohnnyHatesJazz · 09-25-2025, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by livfreely

Judge is going to hit 5 HR’s tonight!!!!!

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Save some for the playoffs.

Absknicks · 09-25-2025, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ironfireman

Yeah I think once Raleigh hit 60 and the Mariners won the division for the first time since 2001 it should be Raleigh. Judge is the better hitter but only played 91 games as a corner OF. Raleigh is a GG/Platinum catcher and just smashed the record for a catcher by 12 HRs and counting. Yeah he'd have the lowest batting aver but has 960 OPS so while plenty of former MVPs had sub 800 OPS being defensive/contact guys.

If the defensive metrics are to be believed, Raleigh hasn't been great defensively this year.

Just wild to me that Judge is so much better than every other player in the league that people are almost numb to it. "Well he's OPSing 180 points higher," as if that's a footnote instead of the prevailing argument.

I do have to say this kind of mars the aura of the 60-home run club. A bunch of HOFers and legends of the game... and then a third rate talent like Cal Raleigh. Bit of a shame.

fulltritty · 09-25-2025, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Hardware is hardware and Judge fans mad he may not get that elusive 3rd MVP and Ohtani will get his 4th MVP. Judge fans don't want Judge to be 2nd to Ohtani...and even worse, lose an MVP to Raleigh after losing one to Altuve.

As long as Ohtaini continues to pitch, there is a select group that will always say he is better than Judge no matter what Judge does. The fact that they are in different leagues now makes it not even worth it. Both will go into the Hall of Fame. Both will have incredible career numbers no matter how many MVPs they win.

And if Judge brings a long-awaited World Series victory home to New York, he will be remembered and beloved way more than Ohtani's 1st World Series when he got injured and did pretty much nothing the rest of the series.

Absknicks · 09-25-2025, 05:27 PM

The thing is Ohtani has to pitch at a high level to even be in the conversation with Judge because as offensive talents the gap is significant.

ThoseBackPages · 09-25-2025, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fulltritty

As long as Ohtaini continues to pitch, there is a select group that will always say he is better than Judge no matter what Judge does. The fact that they are in different leagues now makes it not even worth it. Both will go into the Hall of Fame. Both will have incredible career numbers no matter how many MVPs they win.

And if Judge brings a long-awaited World Series victory home to New York, he will be remembered and beloved way more than Ohtani's 1st World Series when he got injured and did pretty much nothing the rest of the series.

Cope.

ThoseBackPages · 09-25-2025, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Absknicks

The thing is Ohtani has to pitch at a high level to even be in the conversation with Judge because as offensive talents the gap is significant.

more IFs

dodgerfanjohn · 09-25-2025, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Absknicks

The thing is Ohtani has to pitch at a high level to even be in the conversation with Judge because as offensive talents the gap is significant.

2.87 ERA over 47 innings and a 12.9 per 9 K rate is pretty high level, yes yes?

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,641	It really doesn't matter. He's going to be a first ballot hall of famer. He's been on of the best hitters of all time the last 4 years.

09-25-2025, 11:32 AM	#28634
fulltritty Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: King George, VA Posts: 77,480	Another interesting Judge fact this season. Judge has 34 intentional walks this year. No team in MLB (other than the Yankees obviously) has more than 33 intentional walks.

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Absknicks Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 433	Unfortunately the MVP is a narrative driven award and the voters often fall into groupthink. The fact that Judge has been miles better than Raleigh (and everyone else in MLB) from an offensive production standpoint doesn't matter at this point. "if Raleigh gets to 60, he wins the MVP," was the parroted line we've heard for the last few weeks in the media, and I'd fully expect that to be the case now. Of course Ohtani fans will now be saying 4-2 in MVPs but anyone with a brain realizes Judge should have 4. Ohtani also can't boast a batting title and can't even seem to OPS within 130 points of Judge in any given year. Judge has proven to be the far better hitter.

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Absknicks Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 433	The thing is Ohtani has to pitch at a high level to even be in the conversation with Judge because as offensive talents the gap is significant.