Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Looks like 6. 7 if you include the Super Bowl loss

More than I would have thought.

Got some Favre in him!

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by Rabs

More than I would have thought.

Got some Favre in him!

2nd best TD to INT ratio to Aaron Rodgers... Of all time... So not so much Favre in him.

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

2nd best TD to INT ratio to Aaron Rodgers... Of all time... So not so much Favre in him.

How many games has Rodgers had at least 3 INTs? Less than 10?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Rabs

How many games has Rodgers had at least 3 INTs? Less than 10?

5 games

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by Rabs

How many games has Rodgers had at least 3 INTs? Less than 10?

I'm not really sure what that has to do with Brett Favre

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

I'm not really sure what that has to do with Brett Favre

Ol' Rabies doesn't want to look up Brett's actual INT numbers by year and do a comparison. Might break his comparison.

Keep the head down and avoid the facts to keep the conscious clean!

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Ol' Rabies doesn't want to look up Brett's actual INT numbers by year and do a comparison. Might break his comparison.

Keep the head down and avoid the facts to keep the conscious clean!

Brett favre had 4 individual years where his int total matched or bested the td total

24 picks, 19 tds
22 picks, 22 tds
23 picks, 22 tds
29 picks, 20 tds

These are at ages 24,30,36, and 39………. His mvp years peak was phenomenal but that was always based on his supreme talent. A real look at his year to year stats show how careless he was and that he was generally a poor decision maker. But man, when he was right and head screwed on…. Yikes

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Brett favre had 4 individual years where his int total matched or bested the td total

24 picks, 19 tds
22 picks, 22 tds
23 picks, 22 tds
29 picks, 20 tds

These are at ages 24,30,36, and 39………. His mvp years peak was phenomenal but that was always based on his supreme talent. A real look at his year to year stats show how careless he was and that he was generally a poor decision maker. But man, when he was right and head screwed on…. Yikes

Favre's 3 year run was up there with the best of them.

But to prove your point, I'm all about extrapolation tonight. So here's this:

At current pace, to match Favre's interception total of 336, Mahomes would have to play 532 NFL games. That's 31 years at 17 games every season.

Doing so would also put him on pace to score a total of.......

1,358 Touchdowns.


I think we can end this comparison now.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by ctizzle

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Nice, I'm curious what you shelled out for it as well.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Favre's 3 year run was up there with the best of them.

But to prove your point, I'm all about extrapolation tonight. So here's this:

At current pace, to match Favre's interception total of 336, Mahomes would have to play 532 NFL games. That's 31 years at 17 games every season.

Doing so would also put him on pace to score a total of.......

1,358 Touchdowns.


I think we can end this comparison now.

Lol….. that’s pretty wild

I still can’t understand the GB crowd who says they saw both Favre and Rodgers play and they’d prefer Favre. It’s like almost 50/50…. Blows my mind every time. I guess the second SB appearance for Favre was worth throwing 300 picks

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Lol….. that’s pretty wild

I still can’t understand the GB crowd who says they saw both Favre and Rodgers play and they’d prefer Favre. It’s like almost 50/50…. Blows my mind every time. I guess the second SB appearance for Favre was worth throwing 300 picks

When looking back in time:
-Jerry Rice never dropped a ball
-Ray Lewis never missed a tackle
-Deion Sanders never got beat in coverage
-You never zoned out in the car and unwittingly started singing along with the Nickelback song that came on the radio

But when looking back decades, people tend to gloss over some of the less exciting details that happened and focus on the action.

[BosPats1980]

AWESOME CARD!! Congrats!!

Originally Posted by ctizzle

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[jplarson]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Lol….. that’s pretty wild

I still can’t understand the GB crowd who says they saw both Favre and Rodgers play and they’d prefer Favre. It’s like almost 50/50…. Blows my mind every time. I guess the second SB appearance for Favre was worth throwing 300 picks

More about the personality than the play.

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

5 games

So Mahomes already has more 3 INT games than Rodgers. That's ridiculous. Shows how few INTs Rodgers has thrown over the years.

I wasn't comparing Mahomes to Favre in terms of same INT rate. We all know Favre threw way too many. But they do both have that gunslinger mentality. Even Mahomes said after the game he's going to keep "shooting" no matter what. Which is what we all want.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Favre's 3 year run was up there with the best of them.

But to prove your point, I'm all about extrapolation tonight. So here's this:

At current pace, to match Favre's interception total of 336, Mahomes would have to play 532 NFL games. That's 31 years at 17 games every season.

Doing so would also put him on pace to score a total of.......

1,358 Touchdowns.


I think we can end this comparison now.

There's simply no way you can compare statistics across eras in the NFL. Totally different sport when Favre played.

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by ctizzle

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Monster Mahomes! One of his best IMHO!

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

There's simply no way you can compare statistics across eras in the NFL. Totally different sport when Favre played.

NO WAY.

ABSOLUTELY NONE!

Let's not even keep records. We should just burn the books.

Great analysis.

[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by ctizzle

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Amazing card! Congrats!


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[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by tjforce

NO WAY.

ABSOLUTELY NONE!

Let's not even keep records. We should just burn the books.

Great analysis.

You're being intellectually dishonest.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

You're being intellectually dishonest.

Are you new here?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

You're being intellectually dishonest.

What I'm being is factually correct.

I agree that it's not totally totally apples to apples comparing QB performance now to the 90's and 00's, but it doesn't mean you can't still do it to prove a certain point. If I wanted to go through the exercise I could take Steve Young, the first dozen years of Peyton Manning's career, or any number of top guys from the 1992-2010 to prove the point that Favre was more wreckless of a passer for his career than your average top QB, save for those 3-4 years that he was at the top of his game.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by ctizzle

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WHAT A CARD!

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

There's simply no way you can compare statistics across eras in the NFL. Totally different sport when Favre played.

???

in 2005 Favre threw 20 TD and 29 Picks

in 2004 Peyton Manning threw 49 TD and 10 Picks and has a rating of 121..... which was one of the best 3 seasons ever by a pro QB

Either that year by Manning is worth 75 TD's now......... or you most certainly can compare players who did overlap but may not have been the exact same age. Favre was careless in the beginning of his career, the middle, and the end.......... turnovers galore at every step of the way

Also, when you consider what a guy like Rodgers did at 37 years old in 2020 going 48/5 122 rating, 80 plus QBR.......... and then see what he did in his prime in 2011 ..................... it makes me think... oh wow, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert......... none of them had a season like that and the honest truth is that Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers represent the time period where the greatest group of QB's to ever the play the game did such.

The game today is pressed by highly athletic QB's who are unlikely to develop into super elite passers or last 12-15 plus years. The game is changing and Burrow is really the only one I see who has the older school mold. It's no coincidence that he is incredibly accurate, anticipatory, and intelligent.

I wish Andy would slow Mahomes down, really get him making the correct decisions all time and limiting mistakes. Mahomes ain't no Favre but he won't be throwing no look passes and scrambling around a bunch in his mid 30's, It's great to have freakish physical skills.... it's also a challenge to only use that type of stuff as a secret weapon and learn to play a more sustainable brand of football long term.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

???

in 2005 Favre threw 20 TD and 29 Picks

in 2004 Peyton Manning threw 49 TD and 10 Picks and has a rating of 121..... which was one of the best 3 seasons ever by a pro QB

Either that year by Manning is worth 75 TD's now......... or you most certainly can compare players who did overlap but may not have been the exact same age. Favre was careless in the beginning of his career, the middle, and the end.......... turnovers galore at every step of the way

Also, when you consider what a guy like Rodgers did at 37 years old in 2020 going 48/5 122 rating, 80 plus QBR.......... and then see what he did in his prime in 2011 ..................... it makes me think... oh wow, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert......... none of them had a season like that and the honest truth is that Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers represent the time period where the greatest group of QB's to ever the play the game did such.

The game today is pressed by highly athletic QB's who are unlikely to develop into super elite passers or last 12-15 plus years. The game is changing and Burrow is really the only one I see who has the older school mold. It's no coincidence that he is incredibly accurate, anticipatory, and intelligent.

I wish Andy would slow Mahomes down, really get him making the correct decisions all time and limiting mistakes. Mahomes ain't no Favre but he won't be throwing no look passes and scrambling around a bunch in his mid 30's, It's great to have freakish physical skills.... it's also a challenge to only use that type of stuff as a secret weapon and learn to play a more sustainable brand of football long term.

I'd drop Brees and put Roethlisberger in that Mt Rushmore. 1 more SB win, playing outside. MUCH better record overall.

Also, if it wasn't for Brady, your "greatest to ever play the game" wouldnt hold water. Fact of the matter, Young/Montana/Elway/Marino/Favre played in the elements against players that were roided out, coked out, and rules that left them to be murdered on a regular basis.

As far as your anticipation of what the NFL will look like for these young playmakers of today, if Tebow can come back 8 years later and try to be a TE and Brady can scramble for 2 yards while moving at the pace of frozen molasses, these young players have little to worry about when it comes to adapting. Even Burrows game relies heavy on him scrambling. If he stands in the pocket, he holds the ball too long, and then we have to all hear the people who read the stats next day complain Burrow has no o-line help.

Herbert has an insane arm. Allen has an insaner arm. Burrows has an insane "it" factor. Put the best of all of them, you don't come close to Mahomes talent level and how great that man is.

All of this doesn't matter though, Brock Purdy is about to take over.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

???

in 2005 Favre threw 20 TD and 29 Picks

in 2004 Peyton Manning threw 49 TD and 10 Picks and has a rating of 121..... which was one of the best 3 seasons ever by a pro QB

Either that year by Manning is worth 75 TD's now......... or you most certainly can compare players who did overlap but may not have been the exact same age. Favre was careless in the beginning of his career, the middle, and the end.......... turnovers galore at every step of the way

Also, when you consider what a guy like Rodgers did at 37 years old in 2020 going 48/5 122 rating, 80 plus QBR.......... and then see what he did in his prime in 2011 ..................... it makes me think... oh wow, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert......... none of them had a season like that and the honest truth is that Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers represent the time period where the greatest group of QB's to ever the play the game did such.

The game today is pressed by highly athletic QB's who are unlikely to develop into super elite passers or last 12-15 plus years. The game is changing and Burrow is really the only one I see who has the older school mold. It's no coincidence that he is incredibly accurate, anticipatory, and intelligent.

I wish Andy would slow Mahomes down, really get him making the correct decisions all time and limiting mistakes. Mahomes ain't no Favre but he won't be throwing no look passes and scrambling around a bunch in his mid 30's, It's great to have freakish physical skills.... it's also a challenge to only use that type of stuff as a secret weapon and learn to play a more sustainable brand of football long term.

I'll tell you one difference between Mahomes and guys like Josh Allen, Lamar, and Kyler:

Mahomes does a much better job at avoiding getting hit past the line of scrimmage.

You don't see him take contact very often on his scrambles (unless maybe near the goal line). When I see Josh Allen run and the punishment he takes, I think to myself that he better change that before too long of else he could wind up similar to Cam Netwon. Lamar and Kyler... well, they're already on the shelf.