PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 117

superdan49 · 06-13-2019, 03:17 PM

PSA Cert #:41819333

1909-11 T206 EPDG Carl Lundgren PSA 2.5 to PSA 6

Sold on 11/17/2017 as a PSA 2.5 by Heritage Auctions to an unknown buyer for $823.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/4/2018 as a PSA 6 for $4,700.00
Value gain of $3,877.00!

Here we have another card purchased from Heritage Auctions which ended up sold through PWCC and its grade improved after alterations were undertaken. This card has been chemically washed, which has resulted in reverse staining being eliminated. It has also turned the red ink darker, which seems to be a common side effect of the chemicals used by card doctors. Furthermore, two corners have been altered: the upper right has been sharpened and the upper left has been more uniformly rounded.

This card once again raises the question: who is purchasing these cards through Heritage Auctions, altering them, grading them, and then selling them through PWCC Auctions without disclosing the alterations? Heritage Auctions holds the key to finding out this critical information, whether it is Gary Moser, someone associated with PWCC, or another buyer.

Green rectangles show the two altered corners. Blue circles show the unique paper fibers. This card was sent in by yet another tipster via e-mail. Thank you to him.

PSA 2.5: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515
PSA 6: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1805696

corndog · 06-13-2019, 03:52 PM

PSA Cert #27456692

1938 Goudey Hank Greenberg #253

Value gain of $775.45

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-4.5 on February 04, 2015 for $360.55. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1064647
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $1,136.00 on September 11, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1540408

Note from the PWCC PSA-7 listing description: "Extremely tough card to locate in PSA 7."

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares around entire front show obvious cleaning and is now much brighter. Don't understand how PSA again and again is incapable of recognizing unnaturally bright and clean 80+ year old cards.

corndog · 06-13-2019, 04:49 PM

PSA Cert #27456686

1923 Maple Crispette Eddie Collins #4

Value gain of $337.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a SGC-2 on September 04, 2013 for $90.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/579141
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $427.00 on October 08, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555442

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares around entire front and back show obvious cleaning and is now much brighter. Scrapbook residue removed causing broken and partial missing type.

RW3FAN · 06-13-2019, 05:43 PM

Did anyone notice he changed his user name to "ricky-leo"?? on June 4th?

JrFinest · 06-13-2019, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

Here was a multi-card purchase in 2015 by Moser from PWCC:
1951 Bowman Low-Grd Partial Set (184) Ford Berra Rizzuto Williams, SGC (PWCC)

Yes, 184 1951 Bowman's...

Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1064951

Good lord.

Onepocketj · 06-13-2019, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RW3FAN

Did anyone notice he changed his user name to "ricky-leo"?? on June 4th?

Yes it was posted a couple times. Lol - he didn't fool anyone

superdan49 · 06-13-2019, 06:48 PM

SGC Cert #:8877280

1948 Leaf #3 Babe Ruth SGC 4 to SGC 5.5

Sold on 10/28/2018 as a SGC 4 by Robert Edward Auctions (REA) to an unknown buyer for $1,680.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 5/8/2019 as a SGC 5.5 for $3,356.00
Value gain of $1,676.00!

This card was sold through REA and then given a chemical bath to remove staining on the reverse. However, in the pink rectangle on the front you will see color print stripped and bare paper fibers exposed on the SGC 5.5 that were not stripped off on the SGC 4. This shows that additional damage can be caused by these chemicals. More troubling still, there was a crease in the card that was pressed out, which is visible in the upper-right hand corner on the reverse. We know it was present and removed based on visual evidence, as well as the catalog descriptions of this item:

REA SGC 4: "light creasing visible on the upper right."
PWCC SGC 5.5: "zero creasing or wrinkles present."

Green circles show common surface print blemishes. This card was also sent to me via e-mail tip. There are a lot of collectors behind the scenes now outing these altered cards.

SGC 4: https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...eaf-babe-ruth/
SGC 5.5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1974530

superdan49 · 06-13-2019, 08:32 PM

PSA Cert #:41008249

1952 Topps Look 'N See Henry Hudson PSA 5 to PSA 8

Sold on 2/14/2017 as a PSA 5 by Probstein123 to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $6.56
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/29/2018 as a PSA 8 for $275.00
Value gain of $268.44

Here is another trimmed 1952 Topps Look 'N See. The left border is moderately trimmed and the right border is slightly trimmed. The price paid for the PSA 5 compared to the price earned for the PSA 8 is the most surprising aspect of this particular Moser masterpiece.

Green rectangles shows the difference in untrimmed vs. trimmed left border. Red circles are the unique paper fibers and marks.

PSA 5: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...2&w=949&h=1720
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1821470

corndog · 06-14-2019, 04:45 AM

PSA Cert #40814532

1984 Topps John Elway RC #63

Value gain of $1,866.50

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on February 18, 2018 for $228.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1610627
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $2,095.00 on October 25, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1817282

Note from the PWCC PSA-10 listing description: "sought after among investors; pack fresh eye appeal; fresh edges with dagger corners; sound modern investment."

Yellow circles are fiber identifiers.
Red squares show an improvement on two corners.

KhalDrogo · 06-14-2019, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

1984 Topps John Elway RC #63

Good find. 80s stuff is an easy mark for Gary. White borders. Easy fix of issues that can turn a 9 into a 10. And most are probably impossible to trace.

HarryLime · 06-14-2019, 08:35 AM

If he starts messing with '90 Donruss I'm buying a kitana and some throwing stars and this avatar is coming out of retirement.

Arthur

rcmb3220 · 06-14-2019, 08:51 AM

It’s in the paper of record

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/y...ype=collection

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 06-14-2019, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

It’s in the paper of record

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/y...ype=collection

Moser’s comments are laughable.....

rcmb3220 · 06-14-2019, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #40814532

1984 Topps John Elway RC #63

Value gain of $1,866.50

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on February 18, 2018 for $228.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1610627
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $2,095.00 on October 25, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1817282

Note from the PWCC PSA-10 listing description: "sought after among investors; pack fresh eye appeal; fresh edges with dagger corners; sound modern investment."

Yellow circles are fiber identifiers.
Red squares show an improvement on two corners.

Even in the 9 holder it looks poorly trimmed on the top. It’s sitting flat on the bottom but the left edge is shorter than the right.

MIRRABB · 06-14-2019, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

It’s in the paper of record

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/y...ype=collection

Awesome!

corndog · 06-14-2019, 04:30 PM

PSA Cert #41170461

1959 Topps Harmon Killebrew #515

Value gain of $2,621.60

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on February 08, 2018 for $168.39. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1602792
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $2,789.99 on August 14, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1722198

Yellow circles are fiber or print flaw identifiers.
The two areas circled in blue are glares caused by scratches in the slab. I verified this from another photo of the same card in the same slab from an earlier sale from a different seller. I can't find the reason for the grade bump from a 7 to a 9. Odds are that Moser fixed something. The alternative is that PSA graders are incompetent - which has already been proven. I am posting this for either reason due to the $2,600.00+ price jump.

corndog · 06-14-2019, 05:06 PM

PSA Cert #40751262

1952 Topps Gil Hodges #36

Value gain of $1,439.70

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on February 06, 2018 for $248.49. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1600936
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $1,688.19 on June 12, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1670279

Yellow circles are fiber or print flaw identifiers.
Red squares identify what appears to be corner rebuilds.

Cactuspies · 06-14-2019, 05:21 PM

starting to notice on the moser sales through pwcc, when pwcc list their "opinion" it always seems to be about something from the before card which was fixed (corners, colors, creases, etc). It's really like they are rubbing it in big time to their customers.

3124508 on COMC · 06-14-2019, 05:22 PM

Value gain: $467.15. Over 10x value gain.

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...1&w=598&h=1144

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932385

the27guy · 06-14-2019, 05:45 PM

First time I've checked this thread in a while. Goodness gracious.

I don't even have words. This is so so so bad on so many levels.

You guys are amazing. Keep going.

3124508 on COMC · 06-14-2019, 06:44 PM

Think Moser was able to conserve this 2009 purchase?

ETA- Here's a 2008 one:

And another:

3124508 on COMC · 06-14-2019, 06:52 PM

$63 to $127.

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...95&w=732&h=562

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1491989

3124508 on COMC · 06-14-2019, 07:09 PM

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/288393
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932386

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...65&w=400&h=341

corndog · 06-14-2019, 07:30 PM

PSA Cert #40751290

1958 Topps Duke Snider #88

Value gain of $1,415.50

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-8 on February 08, 2018 for $275.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1602501
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $1,691.00 on June 13, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1671323

Yellow circles are fiber or print flaw identifiers.
Red squares identify what appears to be corner rebuilds. The area of solid black is possibly darkened although it could be the scan settings causing it.

tconte · 06-14-2019, 07:30 PM

Boy he sure loves Leaf football!

06-13-2019, 03:17 PM	#2901
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	PSA Cert #:41819333 1909-11 T206 EPDG Carl Lundgren PSA 2.5 to PSA 6 Sold on 11/17/2017 as a PSA 2.5 by Heritage Auctions to an unknown buyer for $823.00 Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/4/2018 as a PSA 6 for $4,700.00 Value gain of $3,877.00! Here we have another card purchased from Heritage Auctions which ended up sold through PWCC and its grade improved after alterations were undertaken. This card has been chemically washed, which has resulted in reverse staining being eliminated. It has also turned the red ink darker, which seems to be a common side effect of the chemicals used by card doctors. Furthermore, two corners have been altered: the upper right has been sharpened and the upper left has been more uniformly rounded. This card once again raises the question: who is purchasing these cards through Heritage Auctions, altering them, grading them, and then selling them through PWCC Auctions without disclosing the alterations? Heritage Auctions holds the key to finding out this critical information, whether it is Gary Moser, someone associated with PWCC, or another buyer. Green rectangles show the two altered corners. Blue circles show the unique paper fibers. This card was sent in by yet another tipster via e-mail. Thank you to him. PSA 2.5: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 PSA 6: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1805696 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

06-13-2019, 03:52 PM	#2902
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,127	PSA Cert #27456692 1938 Goudey Hank Greenberg #253 Value gain of $775.45 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-4.5 on February 04, 2015 for $360.55. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1064647 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $1,136.00 on September 11, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1540408 Note from the PWCC PSA-7 listing description: "Extremely tough card to locate in PSA 7." Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares around entire front show obvious cleaning and is now much brighter. Don't understand how PSA again and again is incapable of recognizing unnaturally bright and clean 80+ year old cards. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-13-2019, 04:49 PM	#2903
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,127	PSA Cert #27456686 1923 Maple Crispette Eddie Collins #4 Value gain of $337.00 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a SGC-2 on September 04, 2013 for $90.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/579141 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $427.00 on October 08, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555442 Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares around entire front and back show obvious cleaning and is now much brighter. Scrapbook residue removed causing broken and partial missing type. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-13-2019, 06:48 PM	#2907
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	SGC Cert #:8877280 1948 Leaf #3 Babe Ruth SGC 4 to SGC 5.5 Sold on 10/28/2018 as a SGC 4 by Robert Edward Auctions (REA) to an unknown buyer for $1,680.00 Consigned to PWCC and sold on 5/8/2019 as a SGC 5.5 for $3,356.00 Value gain of $1,676.00! This card was sold through REA and then given a chemical bath to remove staining on the reverse. However, in the pink rectangle on the front you will see color print stripped and bare paper fibers exposed on the SGC 5.5 that were not stripped off on the SGC 4. This shows that additional damage can be caused by these chemicals. More troubling still, there was a crease in the card that was pressed out, which is visible in the upper-right hand corner on the reverse. We know it was present and removed based on visual evidence, as well as the catalog descriptions of this item: REA SGC 4: "light creasing visible on the upper right." PWCC SGC 5.5: "zero creasing or wrinkles present." Green circles show common surface print blemishes. This card was also sent to me via e-mail tip. There are a lot of collectors behind the scenes now outing these altered cards. SGC 4: https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...eaf-babe-ruth/ SGC 5.5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1974530 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

06-13-2019, 08:32 PM	#2908
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	PSA Cert #:41008249 1952 Topps Look 'N See Henry Hudson PSA 5 to PSA 8 Sold on 2/14/2017 as a PSA 5 by Probstein123 to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $6.56 Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/29/2018 as a PSA 8 for $275.00 Value gain of $268.44 Here is another trimmed 1952 Topps Look 'N See. The left border is moderately trimmed and the right border is slightly trimmed. The price paid for the PSA 5 compared to the price earned for the PSA 8 is the most surprising aspect of this particular Moser masterpiece. Green rectangles shows the difference in untrimmed vs. trimmed left border. Red circles are the unique paper fibers and marks. PSA 5: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...2&w=949&h=1720 PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1821470 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

06-13-2019, 05:43 PM	#2904
RW3FAN Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 3,659	Did anyone notice he changed his user name to "ricky-leo"?? on June 4th?

06-14-2019, 04:45 AM	#2909
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,127	PSA Cert #40814532 1984 Topps John Elway RC #63 Value gain of $1,866.50 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on February 18, 2018 for $228.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1610627 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $2,095.00 on October 25, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1817282 Note from the PWCC PSA-10 listing description: "sought after among investors; pack fresh eye appeal; fresh edges with dagger corners; sound modern investment." Yellow circles are fiber identifiers. Red squares show an improvement on two corners. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-14-2019, 08:35 AM	#2911
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	If he starts messing with '90 Donruss I'm buying a kitana and some throwing stars and this avatar is coming out of retirement. Arthur

06-14-2019, 08:51 AM	#2912
rcmb3220 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,136	It’s in the paper of record https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/y...ype=collection

06-14-2019, 04:30 PM	#2916
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,127	PSA Cert #41170461 1959 Topps Harmon Killebrew #515 Value gain of $2,621.60 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on February 08, 2018 for $168.39. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1602792 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $2,789.99 on August 14, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1722198 Yellow circles are fiber or print flaw identifiers. The two areas circled in blue are glares caused by scratches in the slab. I verified this from another photo of the same card in the same slab from an earlier sale from a different seller. I can't find the reason for the grade bump from a 7 to a 9. Odds are that Moser fixed something. The alternative is that PSA graders are incompetent - which has already been proven. I am posting this for either reason due to the $2,600.00+ price jump. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-14-2019, 05:06 PM	#2917
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,127	PSA Cert #40751262 1952 Topps Gil Hodges #36 Value gain of $1,439.70 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on February 06, 2018 for $248.49. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1600936 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $1,688.19 on June 12, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1670279 Yellow circles are fiber or print flaw identifiers. Red squares identify what appears to be corner rebuilds. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-14-2019, 05:21 PM	#2918
Cactuspies Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: meepos Posts: 9,830 azcentral_sports	starting to notice on the moser sales through pwcc, when pwcc list their "opinion" it always seems to be about something from the before card which was fixed (corners, colors, creases, etc). It's really like they are rubbing it in big time to their customers. __________________ SUPPORT #BostonStrong The One Fund & Parkinson's Research http://sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=AzPats10 RIP Mom-2009, Dad-2021, Grandma-2018, PAPAJIM 11/22/10 Patriots 6 time Champs catching up to johnmabry47: are you on my ignore list too? 76 and counting

06-14-2019, 05:22 PM	#2919
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,400	Value gain: $467.15. Over 10x value gain. http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...1&w=598&h=1144 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932385 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:00 PM.

06-14-2019, 05:45 PM	#2920
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	First time I've checked this thread in a while. Goodness gracious. I don't even have words. This is so so so bad on so many levels. You guys are amazing. Keep going. __________________ @thereal27guy Founder of Basketball Card Fanatic Magazine

06-14-2019, 06:44 PM	#2921
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,400	Think Moser was able to conserve this 2009 purchase? ETA- Here's a 2008 one: And another: __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-14-2019 at 07:18 PM.

06-14-2019, 06:52 PM	#2922
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,400	$63 to $127. http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...95&w=732&h=562 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1491989 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:01 PM.

06-14-2019, 07:09 PM	#2923
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,400	https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/288393 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932386 http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...65&w=400&h=341 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:01 PM.

06-14-2019, 07:30 PM	#2924
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,127	PSA Cert #40751290 1958 Topps Duke Snider #88 Value gain of $1,415.50 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-8 on February 08, 2018 for $275.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1602501 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $1,691.00 on June 13, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1671323 Yellow circles are fiber or print flaw identifiers. Red squares identify what appears to be corner rebuilds. The area of solid black is possibly darkened although it could be the scan settings causing it. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-14-2019, 07:30 PM	#2925
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 2,042 aconte	Boy he sure loves Leaf football!