PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 119

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 12:07 AM

$21.76 to $32.00.

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...72&w=400&h=361

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230752

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 12:18 AM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...8&w=610&h=1144

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932396

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 12:52 AM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...56&w=464&h=917

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/979771

corndog · 06-15-2019, 04:25 AM

PSA Cert #41697375

1953 Parkhurst Bill Quackenbush #100

Value gain of $707.50

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on February 20, 2018 for $190.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612375
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $898.00 on November 19, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1859824

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify obvious edge trimming and stain reduction on the back.

bobthewondercat · 06-15-2019, 04:41 AM

Holy crud you guys, BODA made the New York Times.

That’s incredible. Good work to all the sleuths here.

corndog · 06-15-2019, 04:48 AM

PSA Cert #41159987 - Population 1 of 1

1958 Topps Robin Roberts #90

Value gain of $5,602.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on February 08, 2018 for $1,088.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1602502
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $6,690.00 on December 05, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1882821

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify possible color addition. I can't verify it and it is also possible that it is scanning glare. Otherwise I cannot determine from the images what was done that caused a grade bump to the only PSA-10 in existence. Either Moser fixed something or PSA is incompetent/inconsistent in analyzing the condition of cards. Or likely both.

corndog · 06-15-2019, 05:39 AM

PSA Cert #42313888

1951 Parkhurst Turk Broda #75

Value gain of $799.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a KSA-3 on February 20, 2018 for $76.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612209
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $875.00 on March 31, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1934510

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify obvious edge trimming.

corndog · 06-15-2019, 06:11 AM

PSA Cert #41004600

1957 Parkhurst Doug Harvey #M1

Value gain of $2,196.02

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on February 20, 2018 for $360.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612534
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $2556.02 on October 28, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1819009

From the PWCC PSA-7 listing description: "Incredibly tough #1 card to locate in PSA 7. This card is simply never seen on the public auction block, especially in such high-grade." "Very tough to improve upon."

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify edge trimming.

corndog · 06-15-2019, 06:29 AM

PSA Cert #42313850

1953 Parkhurst Jim Thomson #8

Value gain of $611.55

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on February 20, 2018 for $54.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612289
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $665.55 on March 25, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1934576

From the PWCC PSA-9 listing description: "One of only three copies to reach the elite assessment and impossible to improve upon."

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify edge trimming.

corndog · 06-15-2019, 07:30 AM

PSA Cert #40751277

1957 Topps Johnny Unitas RC #138

Value gain of $938.01

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on December 18, 2017 for $836.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593810
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $1,775.00 on June 21, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1677150

From the PWCC PSA-7 listing description: "Rarely does this card surface with such amazing pack fresh tendencies."

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify color work on two printing spots. *These two blue marks are common print flaws on many Unitas rookie cards.

2010GBPackers · 06-15-2019, 08:53 AM

At this point, doesn't PSA have to suspend the Set Registry for '48 Leaf Football, '52 Look 'n See, and '53 Parkhurst? The entire registry has been compromised for those sets.

corndog · 06-15-2019, 09:07 AM

PSA Cert #40751246

1969 Topps Brooks Robinson #550

Value gain of $2,447.29

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on November 15, 2017 for $158.27. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1575270
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $2,605.56 on June 14, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1672434

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify the darkened sleeve. Moser has added color to dark areas before so this could be the area that was improved to bring the card to a 10. The alternative is that PSA is inconsistent in their ability to accurately grade cards. Posted because one of these occurred.

Doublexthebeast · 06-15-2019, 11:04 AM

Jeez.....it just continues to get deeper which is what I expected when you guys started digging. I would be sick if i was one of the people who bought these.

HarryLime · 06-15-2019, 11:08 AM

If there's one thing (okay, there's like 30 things) that I've taken away from all this is how much value PSA places on a card's print job when determining the card's grade.

For years, we've seen people bash PSA by posting comparison scans of two cards in different PSA grades that seemingly have the same quality centering and corners and then spout "grading is a scam! these are the same condition!"

But what we've seen over and over in this thread are cards getting bumped because their print jobs have been artificially improved. Even one card went from a 9 to a 10 just because it had some black border areas on its back recolored.

It's become clear to me that PSA has been absolutely factoring in a card's print job while the common submitter has been paying the least bit attention to it.

Arthur

bigunitcards · 06-15-2019, 11:09 AM

it's about 3.6 roentgen in here

pgconboy · 06-15-2019, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublexthebeast

Jeez.....it just continues to get deeper which is what I expected when you guys started digging. I would be sick if i was one of the people who bought these.

Agreed, similar story on adding some black coloring to the 1958 Jim Browns.

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 01:02 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...26&w=283&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/409676

metsandweezer · 06-15-2019, 01:14 PM

Just went to get some autographed baseballs authenticated by PSA at a Marriot Hotel here in Las Vegas. I asked the PSA guy about the trimming scandal and he said the federal government is getting involved. He said graders take minutes to grade vintage and way less to grade modern. So if they are taking multiple minutes to grade vintage, how are they not catching these trimmed cards? He did not have an answer. Apparently PSA has security cameras everywhere in their facility, whatever that means. And graders do not know which person’s order they’re grading. Hopefully this is some helpful information.

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 01:27 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...0&w=947&h=1720

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430084

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 01:34 PM

Right edge probably trimmed some too.

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...09&w=527&h=997

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1534169
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1816504

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 01:42 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...34&w=231&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/979772

signed79 · 06-15-2019, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

graders do not know which person’s order they’re grading.

I think the graders know it's a PWCC order, but technically can say they don't know who submitted the cards to PWCC. The cards were passed through quickly and with a blind eye due to their business relationship that seems not to exist any longer. PWCC took advantage of PSA's trust. I think this is the only logical explanation that -somewhat- helps PSA.

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:00 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...9&w=1000&h=688

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1040005

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:06 PM

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...29&w=253&h=520

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932400

3124508 on COMC · 06-15-2019, 02:15 PM

$25.49 to $760.01

Value gain: $734.52

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...29&w=462&h=902

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1131284

06-15-2019, 12:07 AM	#2951
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	$21.76 to $32.00. http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...72&w=400&h=361 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/230752 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:26 PM.

06-15-2019, 12:18 AM	#2952
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...8&w=610&h=1144 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932396 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:26 PM.

06-15-2019, 12:52 AM	#2953
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...56&w=464&h=917 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/979771 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:26 PM.

06-15-2019, 04:25 AM	#2954
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #41697375 1953 Parkhurst Bill Quackenbush #100 Value gain of $707.50 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on February 20, 2018 for $190.50. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612375 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8.5 for $898.00 on November 19, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1859824 Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify obvious edge trimming and stain reduction on the back. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 04:41 AM	#2955
bobthewondercat Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Reno / Tahoe Posts: 2,398 adam-benjamin bobthewondercat	Holy crud you guys, BODA made the New York Times. That’s incredible. Good work to all the sleuths here. __________________ No Big Whoop

06-15-2019, 04:48 AM	#2956
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #41159987 - Population 1 of 1 1958 Topps Robin Roberts #90 Value gain of $5,602.00 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on February 08, 2018 for $1,088.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1602502 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $6,690.00 on December 05, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1882821 Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify possible color addition. I can't verify it and it is also possible that it is scanning glare. Otherwise I cannot determine from the images what was done that caused a grade bump to the only PSA-10 in existence. Either Moser fixed something or PSA is incompetent/inconsistent in analyzing the condition of cards. Or likely both. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 05:39 AM	#2957
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #42313888 1951 Parkhurst Turk Broda #75 Value gain of $799.00 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a KSA-3 on February 20, 2018 for $76.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612209 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $875.00 on March 31, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1934510 Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify obvious edge trimming. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 06:11 AM	#2958
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #41004600 1957 Parkhurst Doug Harvey #M1 Value gain of $2,196.02 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on February 20, 2018 for $360.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612534 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $2556.02 on October 28, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1819009 From the PWCC PSA-7 listing description: "Incredibly tough #1 card to locate in PSA 7. This card is simply never seen on the public auction block, especially in such high-grade." "Very tough to improve upon." Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify edge trimming. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 06:29 AM	#2959
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #42313850 1953 Parkhurst Jim Thomson #8 Value gain of $611.55 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-7 on February 20, 2018 for $54.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1612289 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-9 for $665.55 on March 25, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1934576 From the PWCC PSA-9 listing description: "One of only three copies to reach the elite assessment and impossible to improve upon." Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify edge trimming. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 07:30 AM	#2960
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #40751277 1957 Topps Johnny Unitas RC #138 Value gain of $938.01 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-6 on December 18, 2017 for $836.99. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1593810 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7 for $1,775.00 on June 21, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1677150 From the PWCC PSA-7 listing description: "Rarely does this card surface with such amazing pack fresh tendencies." Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify color work on two printing spots. These two blue marks are common print flaws on many Unitas rookie cards. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.*

06-15-2019, 08:53 AM	#2961
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,242	At this point, doesn't PSA have to suspend the Set Registry for '48 Leaf Football, '52 Look 'n See, and '53 Parkhurst? The entire registry has been compromised for those sets.

06-15-2019, 09:07 AM	#2962
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 17,832	PSA Cert #40751246 1969 Topps Brooks Robinson #550 Value gain of $2,447.29 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a PSA-9 on November 15, 2017 for $158.27. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1575270 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-10 for $2,605.56 on June 14, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1672434 Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers. Red squares identify the darkened sleeve. Moser has added color to dark areas before so this could be the area that was improved to bring the card to a 10. The alternative is that PSA is inconsistent in their ability to accurately grade cards. Posted because one of these occurred. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

06-15-2019, 11:04 AM	#2963
Doublexthebeast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 8,806	Jeez.....it just continues to get deeper which is what I expected when you guys started digging. I would be sick if i was one of the people who bought these. __________________ Shane McClanahan Super Collector. Always Buying.

06-15-2019, 11:08 AM	#2964
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	If there's one thing (okay, there's like 30 things) that I've taken away from all this is how much value PSA places on a card's print job when determining the card's grade. For years, we've seen people bash PSA by posting comparison scans of two cards in different PSA grades that seemingly have the same quality centering and corners and then spout "grading is a scam! these are the same condition!" But what we've seen over and over in this thread are cards getting bumped because their print jobs have been artificially improved. Even one card went from a 9 to a 10 just because it had some black border areas on its back recolored. It's become clear to me that PSA has been absolutely factoring in a card's print job while the common submitter has been paying the least bit attention to it. Arthur

06-15-2019, 11:09 AM	#2965
bigunitcards Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: OKC Posts: 461 bmaaaaaaac bmaaaaaaac	it's about 3.6 roentgen in here __________________ Randy Johnson Clector!! 6,902 Unique Cards & Counting - instagram.com/bigunitcards

06-15-2019, 01:02 PM	#2967
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...26&w=283&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/409676 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:28 PM.

06-15-2019, 01:14 PM	#2968
metsandweezer Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 13,111 Cascardo4	Just went to get some autographed baseballs authenticated by PSA at a Marriot Hotel here in Las Vegas. I asked the PSA guy about the trimming scandal and he said the federal government is getting involved. He said graders take minutes to grade vintage and way less to grade modern. So if they are taking multiple minutes to grade vintage, how are they not catching these trimmed cards? He did not have an answer. Apparently PSA has security cameras everywhere in their facility, whatever that means. And graders do not know which person’s order they’re grading. Hopefully this is some helpful information. Last edited by metsandweezer; 06-15-2019 at 01:19 PM.

06-15-2019, 01:27 PM	#2969
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...0&w=947&h=1720 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430084 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:35 PM.

06-15-2019, 01:34 PM	#2970
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	Right edge probably trimmed some too. http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...09&w=527&h=997 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1534169 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1816504 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:36 PM.

06-15-2019, 01:42 PM	#2971
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...34&w=231&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/979772 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:36 PM.

06-15-2019, 02:00 PM	#2973
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...9&w=1000&h=688 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1040005 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:44 PM.

06-15-2019, 02:06 PM	#2974
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...29&w=253&h=520 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932400 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:45 PM.

06-15-2019, 02:15 PM	#2975
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,388	$25.49 to $760.01 Value gain: $734.52 http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...29&w=462&h=902 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1131284 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 06-21-2019 at 08:46 PM.