First Buzz: 2017 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards

[Pixman1]

Love the posters. Very cool

[Dbacksbaseball]

I agree with Ryan above the new Purples and blues look much better then those of big brother earlier this year.

All that said, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is another product that will run either real hot or real cold. I just opened a BRUTAL case.

Autos were Dozier, Blach, Joe Jimenez, and yup Dozier again in red!

Many chromes, repeated in refractors and such. For instance, I own a Jorge Alfaro Blue, Blue Refractor, Refractor and Chrome. Of course if that is bellinger its sweet, but its not.

I got a german marquez flip stock as well as another 'highlight'.

That said I'm having a brutal year for baseball cards. I haven't had a good baseball case in quiet some time, much less a great one.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by Stech36

So did I. Halfway through I've gotten a whole lot of nothing..

Bought 16 hanger boxes since they looked undisturbed and 2 blasters. Hit a couple bazooka and refractors. Also hit a red ink Amir Garrett Refractor. Better then no auto lol

[bd3d86]

I just finished a ridiculous case. I t looked pretty rough the first 9 boxes and then lightning struck (no Bellinger auto or Jeter/Aaron, but still amazing).

Just the highlights:

Gold Relics #/99:
Francisco Lindor
Gary Sanchez

Color Swaps:
Shin-Soo Choo
Christian Arroyo

Yellow Back:
Wade Miley

Action Variation (just the best ones):
Cody Bellinger
Ian Happ

Traded Variation:
Dan Straily

Error Variation:
Jesse Winker

Throwback Variation:
Matt Cain

Gold Refractor:
Reynaldo Lopez #4/5

Autos (7 of them!!!):
Gavin Cecchini
Jharel Cotton
Manny Margot
Ian Happ (SP?? Glossy unlike the rest)
Yulieski Gurriel Red Ink #10/68
Addison Russell Clubhouse Collection Auto/Patch #02/25
Alex Bregman 1968 Poster Box Loader Autograph

[jdwoody]

Interested in both dozier autos if available

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I agree with Ryan above the new Purples and blues look much better then those of big brother earlier this year.

All that said, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is another product that will run either real hot or real cold. I just opened a BRUTAL case.

Autos were Dozier, Blach, Joe Jimenez, and yup Dozier again in red!

Many chromes, repeated in refractors and such. For instance, I own a Jorge Alfaro Blue, Blue Refractor, Refractor and Chrome. Of course if that is bellinger its sweet, but its not.

I got a german marquez flip stock as well as another 'highlight'.

That said I'm having a brutal year for baseball cards. I haven't had a good baseball case in quiet some time, much less a great one.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Just got 2 of my hobby cases and 1 blaster case in.

Will be selling them in the LCS. Have 2 more cases due in.

Will be interesting to see how box sales go these next 3 days.

I'm most interested in this part. I never had any luck selling blasters in my previous store even though I was always lower in price than the Walmarts and such. I read on here about people cleaning out the local Target etc and I just shake my head.

It's tough not breaking a case this year but as long as I can get $80 a box for them, it makes no sense to break it.

This is the first new product in the new shop.

Wish me luck!

(Oh, and I heard there was an accident at one of the shippers and some cases were crushed beyond saving. The pain of wondering what might have been lost...)

[BNB]

Just ripped my 12 hanger packs. Did really well, happ chrome, 3 bellinger, 3 zimmer, 2 judge inserts and a Joe Jimenez auto. I'm happy. And ready to pick up some hobby tomorrow.

Also bought the red Javier Baez auto from Pix. Really stoked on that.

[ryanc576]

Originally Posted by bd3d86

I just finished a ridiculous case. I t looked pretty rough the first 9 boxes and then lightning struck (no Bellinger auto or Jeter/Aaron, but still amazing).

Just the highlights:

Gold Relics #/99:
Francisco Lindor
Gary Sanchez

Color Swaps:
Shin-Soo Choo
Christian Arroyo

Yellow Back:
Wade Miley

Action Variation (just the best ones):
Cody Bellinger
Ian Happ

Traded Variation:
Dan Straily

Error Variation:
Jesse Winker

Throwback Variation:
Matt Cain

Gold Refractor:
Reynaldo Lopez #4/5

Autos (7 of them!!!):
Gavin Cecchini
Jharel Cotton
Manny Margot
Ian Happ (SP?? Glossy unlike the rest)
Yulieski Gurriel Red Ink #10/68
Addison Russell Clubhouse Collection Auto/Patch #02/25
Alex Bregman 1968 Poster Box Loader Autograph
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That is a sick break! Congrats!

[kyle1707]

Actually like the breaks I have seen.

But it sure looks like getting a high end auto is going to be tough

[parkerj33]

wow, never ever in 17 years have i heard of a heritage case yielding more than 4 autos (maybe 5 but i can't remember it for sure....) but surely not 7!!!

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Actually like the breaks I have seen.

But it sure looks like getting a high end auto is going to be tough

I agree, Im sitting here bummed a little because mine was rough, but everything I am seeing and hearing is good. Will wait for our massive rippers to weigh in. When they start getting into the meat and potatoes of there breaks.

[kyle1707]

All depends if high end guys have red auto to 68

But I think odds Koufax Aaron trout jeter yaz etc will have that

3-4 bellinger autos have hit already...

Jeter and corea seager auto also...

We will find out in next few days

[crtsports]

Just five auto's in my case.

[kyle1707]

i have seen 5 cases now

7 auto
5 auto
4 auto
4 auto
3 auto

weird....

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

All depends if high end guys have red auto to 68

But I think odds Koufax Aaron trout jeter yaz etc will have that

3-4 bellinger autos have hit already...

Jeter and corea seager auto also...

We will find out in next few days

Trout is /25 in the low number

cant see the top guys being /68

[ThoseBackPages]

Seven autos is amazing, but do those seven cover cost?

[seanbros55]

The off-centered Bellingers on eBay are inexcusable. It's 2017 - how are off-centered cards still even a possibility? Is this a conspiracy? How is there no technology to ensure 50/50 on every single card that is cut? I call BS.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

wow, never ever in 17 years have i heard of a heritage case yielding more than 4 autos (maybe 5 but i can't remember it for sure....) but surely not 7!!!

agreed, me either, never and I open an average of 75 cases a year of it
saying that, I've been averaging around 4 per case, which is great!! high number always tends to run better than the low series in that regards

[brentandbecca]

my auto weirdness, so red (or special edition) autos are supposedly 1 per case
opened 3 cases with non, then opened a case with 3 red autos in it, haha
it balances out I guess, but more funky packout stuff for sure

I posted this already on twitter but in case missed
the codes for variations end in 45, 46, 47, 48, 49

It appears there are 10 errors and 10 traded, that's the most ever, wow
also, expecting at least 15 throwbacks, like usual
and the usual 25 color swap, and 15 action

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Seven autos is amazing, but do those seven cover cost?

Why would you need to cover your cost with the autos? Seems like a silly question to ask. How about the other 99% of the case?

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Seven autos is amazing, but do those seven cover cost?

If you got in at pre sale pricing, it's HARD to lose money on a Heritage product...even if you received 4 low level autos. Now if you are buying at 1k +/- per case, that's a whole other story IMO

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

If you got in at pre sale pricing, it's HARD to lose money on a Heritage product...even if you received 4 low level autos. Now if you are buying at 1k +/- per case, that's a whole other story IMO

That's what will make 2018 interesting. Seems like a lot of new people who want to get in the game. The problem is, while Heritage may be an easy product to make money on, you still have to know how to price your cards for maximum value, and this is what gets people caught up in a bad situation. And when your opening retail cost is already $200 above last year, makes it that much tougher.

I can break down a single case of Heritage into 30 components and tell you exactly what my average sales will be (sans any huge hits which can't be accounted for). I can tell you how I plan to list, what price to list, what method to list, and who my target is. A new breaker has none of that information. A new breaker might not know a flip stock from a gray back, or an error from a throwback. They might not even realize that the cards have different codes. They might not have any knowledge of past years' pricing and what to start their prices at. And because they are new, I'd expect panicked pre-selling so they at least feel better recouping something in advance of release.

My first year breaking Heritage I lost money after fees, and I hit a $1,000 throwback. Why did I lose money? Because I had no clue about all of the other components of Heritage and how to really make money at it. This year I grossed 75% profit. What a difference 5 years can make.

I fully expect a ton of people to get burned in 2018. The experienced breakers will be fine at any production level, but anyone outside of that group should proceed with caution.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

That's what will make 2018 interesting. Seems like a lot of new people who want to get in the game. The problem is, while Heritage may be an easy product to make money on, you still have to know how to price your cards for maximum value, and this is what gets people caught up in a bad situation. And when your opening retail cost is already $200 above last year, makes it that much tougher.

I can break down a single case of Heritage into 30 components and tell you exactly what my average sales will be (sans any huge hits which can't be accounted for). I can tell you how I plan to list, what price to list, what method to list, and who my target is. A new breaker has none of that information. A new breaker might not know a flip stock from a gray back, or an error from a throwback. They might not even realize that the cards have different codes. They might not have any knowledge of past years' pricing and what to start their prices at. And because they are new, I'd expect panicked pre-selling so they at least feel better recouping something in advance of release.

My first year breaking Heritage I lost money after fees, and I hit a $1,000 throwback. Why did I lose money? Because I had no clue about all of the other components of Heritage and how to really make money at it. This year I grossed 75% profit. What a difference 5 years can make.

I fully expect a ton of people to get burned in 2018. The experienced breakers will be fine at any production level, but anyone outside of that group should proceed with caution.

Could not agree more with this

[parkerj33]

all good points jmm....the other aspect that is often overlooked is that experienced guys like us have long client lists. I sell 75% of my heritage breaks without ever listing on ebay. I am sure brent is in same boat.....and are presold long before i buy the cases. newbies will get socked with costs of listing (like you did in your first year). I've been doing nothing but heritage for over 14 years. Most of my work and sales occur long after the initial break, but even for general breakers where heritage is a once /twice a year thing, having that customer base is critical.

I am expanding into topp1 this year, and i expect a tough road in year1...i don't have the base yet.

But i expect people trying 10-20 cases in spring for first time will end up dumping master sets which will hurt all sellers, but great news for buyers!

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

That's what will make 2018 interesting. Seems like a lot of new people who want to get in the game. The problem is, while Heritage may be an easy product to make money on, you still have to know how to price your cards for maximum value, and this is what gets people caught up in a bad situation. And when your opening retail cost is already $200 above last year, makes it that much tougher.

I can break down a single case of Heritage into 30 components and tell you exactly what my average sales will be (sans any huge hits which can't be accounted for). I can tell you how I plan to list, what price to list, what method to list, and who my target is. A new breaker has none of that information. A new breaker might not know a flip stock from a gray back, or an error from a throwback. They might not even realize that the cards have different codes. They might not have any knowledge of past years' pricing and what to start their prices at. And because they are new, I'd expect panicked pre-selling so they at least feel better recouping something in advance of release.

My first year breaking Heritage I lost money after fees, and I hit a $1,000 throwback. Why did I lose money? Because I had no clue about all of the other components of Heritage and how to really make money at it. This year I grossed 75% profit. What a difference 5 years can make.

I fully expect a ton of people to get burned in 2018. The experienced breakers will be fine at any production level, but anyone outside of that group should proceed with caution.

Excellent post, experience is the key when selling and buying heritage.