First Buzz: 2019 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

is TC now dead? lol

Ginter X, on life support... TC, dead...

[drumrun]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

is TC now dead? lol

If Topps Chrome was opened and no one cared was it ever really alive?

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Rjcollings1973

I think it was dead on arrival.

I saw someone bust a case and not a single decent named auto or refractor.

Like just throwing a grand away to make back $100

[blackbears86]

I'm actually excited for a release this year!!!!!!!! No goofy dugout photos! The auto's on the rookies (hopefully the big 4 will have auto's) should look great.


LOVE the look of this!



and, if topps has actions of the right players, this could be HUGE.

[MSU Bulldogs]

Still no checklist but I am up to date on Funko Pop.

[kyle1707]

Topps always releases checklist 1 week out...

Im hoping next week for hobby.. But not holding breath at all...

Would not shock for topps to release retail month before hobby like archives

[KhalDrogo]

BO switched the date back to 8/14. Could get checklist Friday. Maybe delayed because of The National?

[SGC300ier]

Yea I emailed and was told 8/14. Totally ruined my plans for taking a long weekend in September.

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[cj828282]

Busted 5 blasters and nothing that great. 2 Alonso, 1 Guerrero and 1 Tatis RCs, Correa bat relic, Alfaro base chrome and Glasnow faux metal card.

[djolley86]

$110 per hobby box of this stuff is so ridiculous. Seems to be the going rate on BO and a number of other outlets. I hope nobody is actually paying that.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Busted 5 blasters and nothing that great. 2 Alonso, 1 Guerrero and 1 Tatis RCs, Correa bat relic, Alfaro base chrome and Glasnow faux metal card.

Normal retail break, get a base set?

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by djolley86

$110 per hobby box of this stuff is so ridiculous. Seems to be the going rate on BO and a number of other outlets. I hope nobody is actually paying that.

Lots a people are paying that price, been the norm before release since 2017....EB has sales at $120+

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Busted 5 blasters and nothing that great. 2 Alonso, 1 Guerrero and 1 Tatis RCs, Correa bat relic, Alfaro base chrome and Glasnow faux metal card.

sounds great to me!

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Lots a people are paying that price, been the norm before release since 2017....EB has sales at $120+

Individual box breakers with a small budget are paying that price. Group break participants are paying that price because it's divided by 30 and probably still seems relatively cheap to them to get the slot they want.

But the big case breakers of the world, guys who do or used to do 10, 20, 30, 40 cases are not paying that. But I'm also hearing that those guys are consistently getting cut and phased out. We've reached a point where the distributors are now becoming retailers, and that is not how business is supposed to be done. Topps actually commented on this at the Q&A, but even they seemed pretty ignorant of the process that their distributors use to allocate. I bet Topps doesn't even know the half of it. If Topps knew that their distributors were holding back product to re-sell at a premium on the secondary market I don't think they'd be happy.

For as interesting as the trimming investigation has been, I would love if distributors were next in line to be investigated for their trade practices. Something seems off to me when the middleman is now playing the role of retailer.

The ONLY reason I am still breaking cases, albeit fewer quantity than I used to, is because of loyalty. Guys who I've done business with for 10 years are still offering me product at a reasonable price, but when they get cut, I also get cut. The end users are all being squeezed now so the middleman can get rich. I don't know if that's illegal but definitely unethical.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Individual box breakers with a small budget are paying that price. Group break participants are paying that price because it's divided by 30 and probably still seems relatively cheap to them to get the slot they want.

But the big case breakers of the world, guys who do or used to do 10, 20, 30, 40 cases are not paying that. But I'm also hearing that those guys are consistently getting cut and phased out. We've reached a point where the distributors are now becoming retailers, and that is not how business is supposed to be done. Topps actually commented on this at the Q&A, but even they seemed pretty ignorant of the process that their distributors use to allocate. I bet Topps doesn't even know the half of it. If Topps knew that their distributors were holding back product to re-sell at a premium on the secondary market I don't think they'd be happy.

For as interesting as the trimming investigation has been, I would love if distributors were next in line to be investigated for their trade practices. Something seems off to me when the middleman is now playing the role of retailer.

The ONLY reason I am still breaking cases, albeit fewer quantity than I used to, is because of loyalty. Guys who I've done business with for 10 years are still offering me product at a reasonable price, but when they get cut, I also get cut. The end users are all being squeezed now so the middleman can get rich. I don't know if that's illegal but definitely unethical.

I was wondering the same thing about Topps not being happy but then i started thinking about how Topps sells hobby boxes on their site now for over retail and realized they probably do not care.

[POKTRITON]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Individual box breakers with a small budget are paying that price. Group break participants are paying that price because it's divided by 30 and probably still seems relatively cheap to them to get the slot they want.

But the big case breakers of the world, guys who do or used to do 10, 20, 30, 40 cases are not paying that. But I'm also hearing that those guys are consistently getting cut and phased out. We've reached a point where the distributors are now becoming retailers, and that is not how business is supposed to be done. Topps actually commented on this at the Q&A, but even they seemed pretty ignorant of the process that their distributors use to allocate. I bet Topps doesn't even know the half of it. If Topps knew that their distributors were holding back product to re-sell at a premium on the secondary market I don't think they'd be happy.

For as interesting as the trimming investigation has been, I would love if distributors were next in line to be investigated for their trade practices. Something seems off to me when the middleman is now playing the role of retailer.

The ONLY reason I am still breaking cases, albeit fewer quantity than I used to, is because of loyalty. Guys who I've done business with for 10 years are still offering me product at a reasonable price, but when they get cut, I also get cut. The end users are all being squeezed now so the middleman can get rich. I don't know if that's illegal but definitely unethical.

I'd really like to see the distributors investigated also....They should not be holding back product and selling at a premium.

[auctionjmm]

A traditional "Master Distributor" makes roughly 6-8% profit. That's the business model. If Coke sends you 10,000 cases of soda, you sell those 10,000 cases to the beverage stores and gas stations at a 6-8% margin. The retail markup is much higher because retailers require higher margins. Master distributors don't.

For years, this is exactly how cards worked. If Peach State received 500 cases of Bowman from Topps, they sold all 500 cases at 6-8% margin. Thats how distribution works. This whole idea that they are holding back cases, and selling them at a premium upon release completely crushes the distributor model. If any other retailer distributor did this, it would crush the retail economy. Imagine Dick's being "cut" on the new Lebron shoes because Nike's distributor decided they could make more money selling direct. It would literally cripple the economy. I don't know how our industry allows this to happen.

[DJP73]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Individual box breakers with a small budget are paying that price. Group break participants are paying that price because it's divided by 30 and probably still seems relatively cheap to them to get the slot they want.

But the big case breakers of the world, guys who do or used to do 10, 20, 30, 40 cases are not paying that. But I'm also hearing that those guys are consistently getting cut and phased out. We've reached a point where the distributors are now becoming retailers, and that is not how business is supposed to be done. Topps actually commented on this at the Q&A, but even they seemed pretty ignorant of the process that their distributors use to allocate. I bet Topps doesn't even know the half of it. If Topps knew that their distributors were holding back product to re-sell at a premium on the secondary market I don't think they'd be happy.

For as interesting as the trimming investigation has been, I would love if distributors were next in line to be investigated for their trade practices. Something seems off to me when the middleman is now playing the role of retailer.

The ONLY reason I am still breaking cases, albeit fewer quantity than I used to, is because of loyalty. Guys who I've done business with for 10 years are still offering me product at a reasonable price, but when they get cut, I also get cut. The end users are all being squeezed now so the middleman can get rich. I don't know if that's illegal but definitely unethical.

I have been dealing with my guy for over 10 years. Today I was cut on Heritage High pretty good. I think Group breaking is destroying the Hobby for a lot of people.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Individual box breakers with a small budget are paying that price. Group break participants are paying that price because it's divided by 30 and probably still seems relatively cheap to them to get the slot they want.

But the big case breakers of the world, guys who do or used to do 10, 20, 30, 40 cases are not paying that. But I'm also hearing that those guys are consistently getting cut and phased out. We've reached a point where the distributors are now becoming retailers, and that is not how business is supposed to be done. Topps actually commented on this at the Q&A, but even they seemed pretty ignorant of the process that their distributors use to allocate. I bet Topps doesn't even know the half of it. If Topps knew that their distributors were holding back product to re-sell at a premium on the secondary market I don't think they'd be happy.

For as interesting as the trimming investigation has been, I would love if distributors were next in line to be investigated for their trade practices. Something seems off to me when the middleman is now playing the role of retailer.

The ONLY reason I am still breaking cases, albeit fewer quantity than I used to, is because of loyalty. Guys who I've done business with for 10 years are still offering me product at a reasonable price, but when they get cut, I also get cut. The end users are all being squeezed now so the middleman can get rich. I don't know if that's illegal but definitely unethical.

100%...without dist pricing, I would never pay the retail prices these days. I get anywhere from 1 to 8 cases maximum with most products, so I realize I'm on the smaller end when it comes to breaking....and it's not my main source of income so I don't worry much if I get cut, etc. But it's definitely a problem how the distributors handle allocations these days, shady at best.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I don't know how our industry allows this to happen.

It can only happen for so long. Our bubble will pop, like every other out-of-whack industry has done through time.

[SupermanBrandon]

Junk Wax 2.0
Too much product. Priced too high. Greed!
Bubble will eventually pop but not anytime soon.

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Normal retail break, get a base set?

No, had a couple of boxes that were dups so 3 unique boxes. Even had dups of a couple of the SPs.

[Lonewolf]

So is Senzel and Hiura in the HHN base set?

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

So is Senzel and Hiura in the HHN base set?

I believe both are base, not SP's....

[ThoseBackPages]

what is everyones hurry?

asking collectors.