Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[GrangerCollectr]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

should be in bundesliga topps chrome, due out in May

Fingers crossed!!! I'm thinking this is why they delayed it (was supposed to come out in February). If Topps makes an announcement that he's in it....then this product will be crazy hot especially how cheap it is.

This is what makes soccer breaking so much more fun for me versus all the ridiculous markups in Basketball and Baseball. I can bust wax at a fairly cheap price and still enjoy the hobby

[Ianhatcher]

Haland will be interesting to see what happens if he keeps up this level of play. I think playing for Norway hurts him though at the international level and eventually I think like Sancho he'll need to move away from BVB to a bigger club. Norway has a good chance to get past the playoffs in the Euro though.

I'm not sure if he's been added to Finest or Chrome UEFA but if he's in either or both with first time Joao sigs, some on card sigs I believe those sets will be even more so crazy popular than they already are. I don't think they have released the checklist for either though.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Haland will be interesting to see what happens if he keeps up this level of play. I think playing for Norway hurts him though at the international level and eventually I think like Sancho he'll need to move away from BVB to a bigger club. Norway has a good chance to get past the playoffs in the Euro though.

I'm not sure if he's been added to Finest or Chrome UEFA but if he's in either or both with first time Joao sigs, some on card sigs I believe those sets will be even more so crazy popular than they already are. I don't think they have released the checklist for either though.

Norway have some young talented players like martin odegaard and sander berge coming up, if they can form the core of the team along with haaland it will be interesting to watch them.

[k13]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

That card will be FIRE!

I've been watching his Topps Now 17/9/19 card which had 178 printed go from $29 four weeks ago, to then $80 last week, and then this week there's one with a starting bid of $129 with a bid already! His Chrome cards will be fire.

The average person has never heard of him.
Even casual soccer fans are slow.

You can score a hat-trick every game and cards barely move.

Ciro Immobile can score a 100 goals this year and no one would care.

By the time his nice cards come out his pace will slow down.
Too bad he won't have a Prizm card for a long time or ever...

[k13]

Timo Werner scored over 20 goals at like 19-20 age.
He's on pace for a big career year this year. On fire.
Plays for Germany.

Has Pace and exciting unlike Haaland who's just shoveling garbage goals by the net.

Still sells for nothing special.

If it was any other sport, Timo Werner cards would be going thru the roof.
Especially from a soccer nation like Germany.

[HoustOM]

Originally Posted by k13

Timo Werner scored over 20 goals at like 19-20 age.
He's on pace for a big career year this year. On fire.
Plays for Germany.

Has Pace and exciting unlike Haaland who's just shoveling garbage goals by the net.

Still sells for nothing special.

If it was any other sport, Timo Werner cards would be going thru the roof.
Especially from a soccer nation like Germany.

Seems like you haven't seen Haaland play... Or score goals...

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by k13

The average person has never heard of him.
Even casual soccer fans are slow.

You can score a hat-trick every game and cards barely move.

Ciro Immobile can score a 100 goals this year and no one would care.

And that's the soccer market in a nutshell. Aside from CR7 and Messi, how many players are known worldwide to the average sports fan?

Every season there are a handful of players who start out hot and generate a lot of hype...but very few of them turn into true superstars with worldwide markets.

It's quite telling that the only two true superstars in the world of soccer are both over 30, meaning that no new worldwide superstars have developed in over 10+ years.

[GrangerCollectr]

Good discussions in here. Seems like a few think the soccer card market is not doing good at all but others think it's thriving. Interesting takes from everyone involved. I do know the facts of what I've bought in the past 6 months have mostly doubled or tripled in value so I'm going to stick with my viewpoint that soccer is doing better than it ever has. No wrong opinions in here though

[Akphillips86]

CR7 and Messi currently dominate the market and deservedly so. However, there will undoubtedly be others who will fill their void after their careers are over. Not to say they will surpass their legacy, but eyes will turn to who is currently on the field. Soccer fans aren’t just going to drop their heads and go home. There are some truly electrifying players on the rise and they will become household names before long, don’t despair!


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[fadster]

Timo Werner suffers partly because he bombed at the World Cup and partly because of where he is playing. Germany is a high level of play but rightly or wrongly it's not seen as prestigious as England or Spain, and he hasn't made up for it with World Cups or Champion Leagues wins. He's 4 years older than Haaland, Sancho, etc and a large part of their value is the expectation that they will do big things elsewhere, Liga/Pl titles, world cups, champions league wins, etc. Also you don't get the hobby love or awards just by scoring goals, you need a certain X factor and to score big goals in big games and I just don't see it with him, yet.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by fadster

Timo Werner suffers partly because he bombed at the World Cup and partly because of where he is playing. Germany is a high level of play but rightly or wrongly it's not seen as prestigious as England or Spain, and he hasn't made up for it with World Cups or Champion Leagues wins. He's 4 years older than Haaland, Sancho, etc and a large part of their value is the expectation that they will do big things elsewhere, Liga/Pl titles, world cups, champions league wins, etc. Also you don't get the hobby love or awards just by scoring goals, you need a certain X factor and to score big goals in big games and I just don't see it with him, yet.

Btw you can say the same about the likes of Harry Kane and P-E Aubameyang, you can basically tell the story of football without mentioning any of them.

[ThoseBackPages]

oh my ...

https://twitter.com/SportsCardNews/s...55250946301952

[AsianBrizz]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And that's the soccer market in a nutshell. Aside from CR7 and Messi, how many players are known worldwide to the average sports fan?

Every season there are a handful of players who start out hot and generate a lot of hype...but very few of them turn into true superstars with worldwide markets.

It's quite telling that the only two true superstars in the world of soccer are both over 30, meaning that no new worldwide superstars have developed in over 10+ years.

It's quite telling that you think there are only two true superstars in the world of soccer. I guess you've never heard of Neymar or Mbappe or Salah or Mane or Zlatan.

And just a few years ago, you could have said David Beckham and Xavi and Iniesta and Giggs or Zidane or Thierry Henry or the other Ronaldo...

I am an American who lives in Thailand and I regularly have conversations with locals who know these players.

Messi and Ronaldo are two of the top five best players in the history of the game, and we're living in a golden age right now where we can watch them both compete. That doesn't mean there aren't other superstars or there haven't been emerging players besides them...it also doesn't mean that nobody is collecting other players.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by AsianBrizz

It's quite telling that you think there are only two true superstars in the world of soccer. I guess you've never heard of Neymar or Mbappe or Salah or Mane or Zlatan.

And just a few years ago, you could have said David Beckham and Xavi and Iniesta and Giggs or Zidane or Thierry Henry or the other Ronaldo...

I am an American who lives in Thailand and I regularly have conversations with locals who know these players.

Messi and Ronaldo are two of the top five best players in the history of the game, and we're living in a golden age right now where we can watch them both compete. That doesn't mean there aren't other superstars or there haven't been emerging players besides them...it also doesn't mean that nobody is collecting other players.

The other players you've mentioned are all stars, but none of them are at the level of CR7 and Messi, i.e. considered among the best ever.

Neymar was hyped beyond belief, but bombed at WC 2014 in his home country and has been a non-factor at the club level since joining PSG.

Zlatan has always done well for his club teams, but has been a non-entity internationally for Sweden.

Mbappe has the most potential of the players you've mentioned, having won WC 2018 with France, but he's still very young and needs to maintain his current level of production for another 5+ years, and either lead PSG to a Champion's League title or have an equal level of success outside of France in a tougher league.

Salah is one of several stars for Liverpool, but has not had much success with Egypt, having failed to win the African Cup of Nations, and having a mediocre WC 2018.

Mane is also one of several stars for Liverpool, but has had no international success of note.

All these players are stars, but they need to take it to the next level, especially with their national teams, to become worldwide superstars on the level of CR7 and Messi.

[fadster]

FWIW Mbappe is possibly slightly ahead of where Messi and Ronaldo were at his age. However it was at this age they both started to kick on and picked up their first Balon d'or at 22 years old. Mbappe would need a strong Euro 2020 and/or Champions league to do that. It is hard to get a true sense on perspective on how good everyone else is when you have had two of the top players of all time taking all the attention. I think Mbappe could be a top 10 of all time type player, I don't think the others listed would sniff the top 50.

Of the others I've never been a big fan of Zlatan, I think the lack of recognition from his peers speaks volumes too. His most memorable moments were basically in friendlies and the MLS. Salah has the X factor but wasted too many years bouncing around on loan before finding his home in Liverpool. Neymar has the talent and the situation but not the attitude. He still has time to turn it around, he's tipped to rejoin Barcelona and could be the heir to Messi (again) and is well placed with Brazil but I just don't know if his head is on right.

[Jacks2323]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

oh my ...

https://twitter.com/SportsCardNews/s...55250946301952

I was getting a little concerned on the checklist not being made available yet. So obviously the parallels will be in there. Haaland auto's would be awesome. Either way I am ordering may case now.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Jacks2323

I was getting a little concerned on the checklist not being made available yet. So obviously the parallels will be in there. Haaland auto's would be awesome. Either way I am ordering may case now.

and remember, that picture in the tweet is the paper topps

[IndySportsCards]

Haaland is on fire! $217 with a day left!

If only I had a time machine.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Haaland is on fire! $217 with a day left!

If only I had a time machine.

Somebody is going to eventually lose a lot of money on this card.

Given that he is from Norway, and therefore likely will have little international impact/success with his national team, his ceiling is probably that of a player like Sojskaer (also Norwiegan), Litmanen (Finnish), or maybe Ryan Giggs (Wales) if he has a lot of success with a big club like Man United.

But it's pretty hard to become a world-wide superstar playing internationally for a country that is a minnow.

[HoustOM]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Somebody is going to eventually lose a lot of money on this card.

Given that he is from Norway, and therefore likely will have little international impact/success with his national team, his ceiling is probably that of a player like Sojskaer (also Norwiegan), Litmanen (Finnish), or maybe Ryan Giggs (Wales) if he has a lot of success with a big club like Man United.

But it's pretty hard to become a world-wide superstar playing internationally for a country that is a minnow.

You never know. Messi never won anything with Argentina and Ronaldo only won 1 Euro with Portugal (he was injured for the Final and barely played). Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard screwed up most of the international tournaments they played (except 1988) and are still considered some of the best players ever.
On the contrary, Didier Deschamps has won all the major trophies, and also as a coach. His success is unheard of. 2 World Cups, 2 Euros, Champions League... And I believe his hobby love is very low.

You never know.

Note: I am not pumping Haaland, I don't own any of his cards and not planning to buy any either. But he looks very skilled, and scoring 40 goals at 19 including his fantastic 2nd goal vs PSG is not a common performance.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by HoustOM

You never know. Messi never won anything with Argentina and Ronaldo only won 1 Euro with Portugal (he was injured for the Final and barely played). Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard screwed up most of the international tournaments they played (except 1988) and are still considered some of the best players ever.
On the contrary, Didier Deschamps has won all the major trophies, and also as a coach. His success is unheard of. 2 World Cups, 2 Euros, Champions League... And I believe his hobby love is very low.

You never know.

Note: I am not pumping Haaland, I don't own any of his cards and not planning to buy any either. But he looks very skilled, and scoring 40 goals at 19 including his fantastic 2nd goal vs PSG is not a common performance.

its all about popularity of the player and the club he plays. both KDB and sterling are good players, but their cards are not showing any value rise.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Somebody is going to eventually lose a lot of money on this card.

Given that he is from Norway, and therefore likely will have little international impact/success with his national team, his ceiling is probably that of a player like Sojskaer (also Norwiegan), Litmanen (Finnish), or maybe Ryan Giggs (Wales) if he has a lot of success with a big club like Man United.

But it's pretty hard to become a world-wide superstar playing internationally for a country that is a minnow.

I guess you are talking from a hobby perspective. Otherwise giggs have won everything with united and is hugely popular. Same with Sojskaer.

[fadster]

It's about capturing the public's imagination. It's very hard to do that without international success. The only player to really have done that is George Best, you can argue pre- Cruyff the Dutch had achieved nothing and he put them on the map.

Even though they were "just" European championships, the way France and the Netherlands won Euro 84 & 88 has earned they a bigger place in peoples hearts than say Italy winning the 82 World Cup (which is more remembered for the Schumacher / Battiston incident the great Brazil team of Zico, Socrates, Falcao..) or Germany on winning in 90. Likewise even though they didn't win 1954 will always be remembered for the Magnificent Magyar Hungary team.

That's the bar, write one line to summarise a tournament / era, does the player/team feature? If so that goes a big way to hobby love: goals + honours + style + public profile

[k13]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

its all about popularity of the player and the club he plays. both KDB and sterling are good players, but their cards are not showing any value rise.

KDB is popular and his cards sell well but there's nothing really to make them rise much.

Soccer has no true HOF, stats/numbers have little meaning/goals. Especially if you are not a striker.

Big games at WC would help.

That's what made Maradona famous. No one even knows where he played on a club.

[tier1dc]

Topps is working on a deal to get Haaland to sign. Could be in both Chrome & Museum Bundesliga.