Deshaun Watson sexual assault accusations II

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Zauron

There's a difference in being crucified for coming out against abuse, and committing said abuse.

Watson, right now, should be crucified in public because all his defense is right now is demanding the names of the women.

The only reason they want the names out there is to get the doxx'd in pubic and hopefully retract their stance to get out of this. If he was so innocent and nothing happened, wouldn't they just provide that hard evidence instead of demanding to publicly out these women?

We treat abuse victims so poorly, and as someone else said, it's not easy to come forward because exactly some of the mentality we see in this thread.

Wut? Watson should be crucified because he's asking for the names of the women? Wow...

Lmao. Please let me know what hard evidence you would like him to provide that he didn't motion to his penis while getting a massage.

At least you didn't wait for any evidence before deciding on guilt/innocence.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Zauron

There's a difference in being crucified for coming out against abuse, and committing said abuse.

Watson, right now, should be crucified in public because all his defense is right now is demanding the names of the women.

The only reason they want the names out there is to get the doxx'd in pubic and hopefully retract their stance to get out of this. If he was so innocent and nothing happened, wouldn't they just provide that hard evidence instead of demanding to publicly out these women?

We treat abuse victims so poorly, and as someone else said, it's not easy to come forward because exactly some of the mentality we see in this thread.

This is crazy. A defending lawyer needs to know the person's name so they can do their job.

And how exactly can Hardin 'provide hard evidence that Watson is innocent' right now?

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Wut? Watson should be crucified because he's asking for the names of the women? Wow...

Lmao. Please let me know what hard evidence you would like him to provide that he didn't motion to his penis while getting a massage.

Why do the names of abuse victims need to be made public so people can doxx them and publicly stalk them?

There's a reason why abuse victims never report crap and it's because people like you think they are making it up and think there's nothing wrong.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Zauron

There's a difference in being crucified for coming out against abuse, and committing said abuse.

Watson, right now, should be crucified in public because all his defense is right now is demanding the names of the women.

The only reason they want the names out there is to get the doxx'd in pubic and hopefully retract their stance to get out of this. If he was so innocent and nothing happened, wouldn't they just provide that hard evidence instead of demanding to publicly out these women?

We treat abuse victims so poorly, and as someone else said, it's not easy to come forward because exactly some of the mentality we see in this thread.

If you keep the accusers anonymous why not keep the defendant as well until proof and facts are for sure. I remember the Duke Lacrosse team guys were assumed guilty as well. Not saying Watson is guilty or not but might as well keep everyone anonymous

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Why do the names of abuse victims need to be made public so people can doxx them and publicly stalk them?

There's a reason why abuse victims never report crap and it's because people like you think they are making it up and think there's nothing wrong.

Oh just stop. People like me don't judge until we see evidence. People like you judge based on social media. Sorry if innocent until proven guilty offends you.

You didn't say which evidence you expected Watson to present that proves his innocence. I'll wait.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

If you keep the accusers anonymous why not keep the defendant as well until proof and facts are for sure. I remember the Duke Lacrosse team guys were assumed guilty as well. Not saying Watson is guilty or not but might as well keep everyone anonymous

Agreed. Anyone remember Tawana Brawley? Imagine that case in today's society.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

If you keep the accusers anonymous why not keep the defendant as well until proof and facts are for sure. I remember the Duke Lacrosse team guys were assumed guilty as well. Not saying Watson is guilty or not but might as well keep everyone anonymous

Probably the truest thing said in this thread

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Oh just stop. People like me don't judge until we see evidence. People like you judge based on social media. Sorry if innocent until proven guilty offends you.

You didn't say which evidence you expected Watson to present that proves his innocence. I'll wait.

You harshly judged the accuser in your first couple posts.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You harshly judged the accuser in your first couple posts.

If I did I apologize. I was wrong. I will be the first one saying lock him up if he sexually assaulted any of these women. When it first came out, the first accuser was the one that asked him for money to be quiet if I'm not mistaken which probably molded my decision and it shouldn't have.

It's just too easy in today's society to tar and feather someone. The mob mentality spreads like wildfire through social media and when someone is proven innocent, that barely even gets mentioned. I agree that in a perfect world, the identities of both the accuser and accused would be kept quiet as long as necessary.

[bloodwings19]

There is only 1 winner actually 2, the lawyers. Hardin definitely wins, he will get paid no matter what. 22 names is a little too much, I'm going to say some of the 22 were coerced into this lawsuit. This is Deshaun's first real trouble with the law so he deserves to know who are his accusers. NFL double-standard, if it was Tyrod Taylor. He'd be out of the league.

[heatdawg]

I have not seen one bit of evidence to warrant any criminal lawsuit. This started as a money grab and will end as one. In 2 years we will not even remember this.

Imagine if Watson just gave in to the ransom from the start, nothing would have come of this, that is also why this is such a joke.

[ArmyDC]

What would happen today if the Minnesota Love Boat scandal happened?

[Siberian13]

Rusty Hardin: Deshaun Watson did not engage in any sexual encounters that were not 'mutually desired'

"In some of these massages there's going to be no question," Hardin said when asked to clarify his comments about Watson taking part in sex acts with some of the women who have filed lawsuits against him alleging inappropriate behavior and sexual assault. "We've never run from it."

Watson has publicly denied any wrongdoing, and Hardin has emphasized since he began representing the quarterback last month that he believes "any allegation that Deshaun forced a woman to commit a sexual act is completely false."


"I'm not going to go into what it is or the nature or the numbers or with whom," Hardin said Friday regarding any consensual encounters between Watson and some of the plaintiffs. "But I think you can rightfully assume that. The question always that we have always been emphasizing: Never at any time, under any circumstances ... did this young man ever engage in anything that was not mutually desired by the other party."



https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...tually-desired

[EricHtown]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Why do the names of abuse victims need to be made public so people can doxx them and publicly stalk them?

There's a reason why abuse victims never report crap and it's because people like you think they are making it up and think there's nothing wrong.

There are no doubts that many victims never report not only for the reasons of how they will be treated and/or judged. But to publicly come out and have to testify and repeat what happened has to be very hard no doubt.

On the other hand how many have also falsely blamed others over financial reasons, embarrassment later on for poor choices, or spite? In most cases the accuser then most of the time faces no consequences.

I think it’s wrong to tell anyone that they think the victim is making it up and there’s nothing wrong. At this point all I’ve read is a He said/She said scenario.
As of yet I don’t think any charges have been filed or any medical proof presented. I could be wrong and I’m not saying he did or didn’t do anything. I do think he is a young man who possesses money most of us will never have the luxury of and he should have protected his own interest better but that is where youth is stacked against him.

After watching the press conference earlier Rusty said he’s not denying encounters happened the dispute is were they consensual or not. Only 2 people know, Watson and these women. He may be a monster, he may be totally innocent, but he has the right to face his accuser without them being able to hide away. How could anyone defend that?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by heatdawg

I have not seen one bit of evidence to warrant any criminal lawsuit. This started as a money grab and will end as one. In 2 years we will not even remember this.

Imagine if Watson just gave in to the ransom from the start, nothing would have come of this, that is also why this is such a joke.

Will disagree on the 2 years bit, as this stuff hangs over careers even when no criminal charges filed or not guilty find.

Have seen no evidence to support that a lawsuit was not needed, nor any evidence this is a money grab ransom, or that this is a joke.

Not surprised either way (for or against Watson) that his attorney is going full steam on the women wanted him line.

[Cavaliercards]

Lost in everything going on is that it looks pretty certain he will be suiting up for the Texans (if he plays) and no one else next season.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Lost in everything going on is that it looks pretty certain he will be suiting up for the Texans (if he plays) and no one else next season.

This is obviously many steps ahead, but people had asked, "Well, what benefit would the Texans have in helping to hurt Watson?" Making it so he could only play for them would certainly be that.

Does anyone know how it works contract wise? If he gets suspended, does the team save money? If he holds out, can the team recoup money?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

This is obviously many steps ahead, but people had asked, "Well, what benefit would the Texans have in helping to hurt Watson?" Making it so he could only play for them would certainly be that.

Does anyone know how it works contract wise? If he gets suspended, does the team save money? If he holds out, can the team recoup money?

For holdout part, couldn’t he just fake an injury and sit out anyways and still get paid?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by rman112

This is obviously many steps ahead, but people had asked, "Well, what benefit would the Texans have in helping to hurt Watson?" Making it so he could only play for them would certainly be that.

Does anyone know how it works contract wise? If he gets suspended, does the team save money? If he holds out, can the team recoup money?

Don’t think the Texans did this, not even close.

Team doesn’t pay him the money and the time he’s suspended doesn’t count against their cap, in addition depending on his signing and roster bonuses he could be forced to pay them back like Zeke was for a prorated amount.

Under new CBA if he holds out as a veteran his fines can’t be waived. In addition as a veteran if he doesn’t show up on mandatory report day he can lose an accrued year, which makes it tougher for him to leave.


A player shall not receive an Accrued Season for any League Year in which the player is under contract to a Club and in which (i) he failed to report to the Club's preseason training camp on that player's mandatory reporting date; or (ii) the player thereafter failed to perform his contract services for the Club for a material period of time, unless he demonstrates to the Impartial Arbitrator extreme personal hardship causing such failure to report or perform, such as severe illness or death in the family.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

For holdout part, couldn’t he just fake an injury and sit out anyways and still get paid?

Can you self declare an injury without a trainer saying there was one?

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Can you self declare an injury without a trainer saying there was one?

The team would have to certify the injury was bad enough for him not to practice.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Don’t think the Texans did this, not even close.

Team doesn’t pay him the money and the time he’s suspended doesn’t count against their cap, in addition depending on his signing and roster bonuses he could be forced to pay them back like Zeke was for a prorated amount.

Under new CBA if he holds out as a veteran his fines can’t be waived. In addition as a veteran if he doesn’t show up on mandatory report day he can lose an accrued year, which makes it tougher for him to leave.


A player shall not receive an Accrued Season for any League Year in which the player is under contract to a Club and in which (i) he failed to report to the Club's preseason training camp on that player's mandatory reporting date; or (ii) the player thereafter failed to perform his contract services for the Club for a material period of time, unless he demonstrates to the Impartial Arbitrator extreme personal hardship causing such failure to report or perform, such as severe illness or death in the family.

That they didn't know he was acting inappropriately (if that's the case)?

Or that they didn't know he was getting a TON of massages outside of the team (and then not only didn't think any of that was strange, but also didn't look into any of it before giving him a $160 mil extension) ?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Can you self declare an injury without a trainer saying there was one?

Not self declare. But you could fake all the signs of a concussion and they’d have no choice but to sit you for fear of backlash right?

I’m sure some athletes have already tried this.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rman112

That they didn't know he was acting inappropriately (if that's the case)?

Or that they didn't know he was getting a TON of massages outside of the team (and then not only didn't think any of that was strange, but also didn't look into any of it before giving him a $160 mil extension) ?

It’s the Texans man. They probably didn’t do their due diligence before paying.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

It’s the Texans man. They probably didn’t do their due diligence before paying.

That's plausible.

But I mean.. Watson was getting outside massages since at least 2017, according to the ones that defended him. And piecing it all together, we're talking TONS of massages.

And this woman suggests the team trainer knew of at least this instance:

'Myah Roberson is a licensed massage therapist, who has been working in Houston for 10 years, primarily on athletes.

“I started working with Deshaun in December 2019 after being referred to him by another therapist. He sent me a screenshot of a diagram that the head trainer of the Texans gave him, highlighting the muscles that needed to be worked on, which included the groin and hamstrings. He asked if I felt comfortable working on those areas and I said yes, because I am used to working on athletes.

During the massage, Deshaun was more comfortable using a towel than draping sheets over the table; this isn’t unusual at all. I have several clients that prefer using a towel over sheet. We began using a towel, and that became the norm. When I saw that the first lawsuit mentioned a towel, I chuckled because I gave him that idea. And it’s not inappropriate because they teach you in massage school that using a towel is okay. Some of these accusations are so ludicrous. I just can’t see him doing any of those things. He was never inappropriate with me. I never felt threatened in any way.”'