2021 NBA Draft Discussion - Page 12

asujbl · 07-26-2021, 05:17 PM

Evan Mobley

Ranking in 92nd percentile on floaters. Outperforming smaller, supposedly quicker guards in dribbling, speed and agility drills. Switchable defensive linchpin. #Cavs draft target Evan Mobley isn’t the typical 7-footer

“He’s a unicorn. What can’t he do?”

brothertona · 07-26-2021, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Evan Mobley

Ranking in 92nd percentile on floaters. Outperforming smaller, supposedly quicker guards in dribbling, speed and agility drills. Switchable defensive linchpin. #Cavs draft target Evan Mobley isn’t the typical 7-footer

“He’s a unicorn. What can’t he do?”

I think he's a PF for the Cavs

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tgriffey30 · 07-27-2021, 08:06 AM

A few different sites have reported OKC offered Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the 6th pick to DET for the 1st pick, but DET declined

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tgriffey30

A few different sites have reported OKC offered Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the 6th pick to DET for the 1st pick, but DET declined

Huh? This deal makes absolutely no sense for OKC. Why on earth would you offer your best player AND a high lottery pick to get Cade... who might not even be better than Shai.

No way OKC offered that trade and no way DET would have turned it down

tgriffey30 · 07-27-2021, 08:38 AM

These are the 2 I read this morning:
"According to Ethan Fuller of Basketball News, the Pistons declined an offer from the Thunder that included the #6 pick and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in exchange for the #1 pick in Thursday's NBA Draft."

"As Fischer notes, if the Thunder are open to discussing Gilgeous-Alexander in trade scenarios, that represents a change from the team’s philosophy during the 2020 offseason. At that point, all four teams with top-four picks contacted OKC about SGA and were “quickly rebuffed,” sources tell Bleacher Report.

This offseason, on the other hand, it sounds like the Thunder are even willing to bring up Gilgeous-Alexander in trade discussions themselves. According to both Fischer and Jonathan Wasserman of Bleacher Report, Oklahoma City offered Gilgeous-Alexander and the No. 6 pick in this year’s draft to the Pistons in exchange for the No. 1 overall pick. That was apparently the “legitimate” offer Wasserman alluded to on Monday, which Detroit turned down."

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 08:39 AM

If that's true, OKC is hilariously dumb. Good for them Detroit was even dumber to turn it down.

bluebirds987 · 07-27-2021, 08:50 AM

I'm not sure Shai wants to resign in OKC. I read somewhere that he prefers going back to Los Angeles or Toronto. He may pull an Anthony Davis and leave for a bigger market.

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 09:08 AM

Yea I mean I guess if you're 100% certain Shai isn't gonna resign you'd consider that deal but there's no way to be 100% when he's got another year left on his deal.

He's gonna get offered a max extension probably

bloodwings19 · 07-27-2021, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tgriffey30

A few different sites have reported OKC offered Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the 6th pick to DET for the 1st pick, but DET declined

SAG must have hidden baggage like T.Bauer because the 6th pick is going to be a impact player. The ceiling for Cunningham is higher, he looks like the next Penny Hardaway.

daeve · 07-27-2021, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Yea I mean I guess if you're 100% certain Shai isn't gonna resign you'd consider that deal but there's no way to be 100% when he's got another year left on his deal.

He's gonna get offered a max extension probably

he's about to get big-time paid, so if Presti feels they're not at their 'window' yet, it makes sense to dangle him now, get a feeling for his value while he has 1 year left on his rookie deal.

If Detroit doesn't want him though, not sure who else can pay for him... unless Toronto wants to go all-in on him. Not sure what they'd need in return though, maybe OG and #4? I doubt Toronto wants to do that, but if they want a young Canadian star, then maybe they pay it.

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by daeve

he's about to get big-time paid, so if Presti feels they're not at their 'window' yet, it makes sense to dangle him now, get a feeling for his value while he has 1 year left on his rookie deal.

If Detroit doesn't want him though, not sure who else can pay for him... unless Toronto wants to go all-in on him. Not sure what they'd need in return though, maybe OG and #4? I doubt Toronto wants to do that, but if they want a young Canadian star, then maybe they pay it.

Yea I mean, if I'm OKC, I'm doing everything possible to resign Shai. Use your 50000000 picks and trade for a star to put next to him. Hell, I bet Ben Simmons could be had and they wouldn't really have to empty the chest all that much.

I'd have to think about how that pairing would work from an on court perspective but just throwing out an idea.

OKC has some really nice pieces and they're just missing a 2nd star to start to make some waves.

I feel like Shai is insanely underrated for how good he actual is. He's a superstar in the making that nobody talks about. He could legit be a 50/40/90 guy who's an elite defender and is a triple double threat. Not many guys in the league with that potential.

Put another elite defensive, ball handling guard next to him and watch out.

brothertona · 07-27-2021, 03:04 PM

Atlanta may have their guy

Ayo Dosunmu: We’ve seen a surge in Dosunmu’s stock recently. He’s been projected all over the place in the 20s and early second round. For Dosunmu, teams have become more and more impressed by him as of late. League sources told The Athletic he won’t fall past the Lakers at 22. Hawks at 20 are a real possibility, and where many are guessing he goes with Atlanta’s need for a backup lead guard. Even the Warriors are believed to have real interest in him, but won’t prioritize the position if there are wings on their big board available (assuming they keep those picks). Knicks could even be in play at No. 19 or No. 21 because of their emphasis on the point guard position this offseason.

tjforce · 07-27-2021, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Evan Mobley

Ranking in 92nd percentile on floaters. Outperforming smaller, supposedly quicker guards in dribbling, speed and agility drills. Switchable defensive linchpin. #Cavs draft target Evan Mobley isn’t the typical 7-footer

“He’s a unicorn. What can’t he do?”

Just give me either Green or Mobley. Either should be a boon for Cavs Garland/Allen/Okoro roster.

I'll be watching from the 150 Ft Stadium screen at Las Vegas' Circa Swim as part of Giannis-Fest. Hopefully it'll get the weekend out to a strong start!

daeve · 07-27-2021, 03:16 PM

Houston is getting Green. IG/reddit detectives are saying his gf was scoping out apartments in Houston, in addition to all the other stuff from earlier.

I'm 99% sure 1 & 2 are Cade and Green. I think 3 & 4 are Kuminga and suggs... after that is still lots of question marks, but top 2 are set, and top 4 seem pretty set.

Middies31985 · 07-27-2021, 03:17 PM

Is Sexton still a Cavalier after the draft?

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Middies31985

Is Sexton still a Cavalier after the draft?

Don't see how they could trade him before. Not like Detroit or Houston wants him and why would you trade Sexton if you are also trading down unless it doesn't involve #3.

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Houston is getting Green. IG/reddit detectives are saying his gf was scoping out apartments in Houston, in addition to all the other stuff from earlier.

I'm 99% sure 1 & 2 are Cade and Green. I think 3 & 4 are Kuminga and suggs... after that is still lots of question marks, but top 2 are set, and top 4 seem pretty set.

If the Cavs take Kuminga or Suggs I'll give up on watching them

daeve · 07-27-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

If the Cavs take Kuminga or Suggs I'll give up on watching them

woosh - Mobley - not Kuminga - my bad.

49ersSF · 07-27-2021, 03:53 PM

I am thinking the Warriors are going to swoop in at #7 and grab Josh Giddey. He is a perfect fit for the Warriors and has all-star potential.

asujbl · 07-27-2021, 04:07 PM

From the Cleveland.com mock draft today

In simple terms: The Cavs will likely choose the player Houston doesn’t. While trading back continues to be mentioned as a possibility, Cleveland’s front office has lamented a lack of lottery luck over the past few seasons. This is the position the Cavs want to be in. The one they need to be in. They celebrated on lottery night and that joy has only increased throughout the pre-draft process, as they weigh their options at No. 3. Sources say general manager Koby Altman currently sees too much of a gap between Mobley/Green and the other prospects, which means it’s unlikely he would willingly drop down a few spots and choose from a lesser pool of prospects. Those trade calls started weeks ago. Altman’s listening. He has to. It’s his job. But it would take a “Godfather” offer, according to a source.

tjforce · 07-27-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

woosh - Mobley - not Kuminga - my bad.

Dude you got me nervous just reading that.

tjforce · 07-27-2021, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asujbl

From the Cleveland.com mock draft today

In simple terms: The Cavs will likely choose the player Houston doesn’t. While trading back continues to be mentioned as a possibility, Cleveland’s front office has lamented a lack of lottery luck over the past few seasons. This is the position the Cavs want to be in. The one they need to be in. They celebrated on lottery night and that joy has only increased throughout the pre-draft process, as they weigh their options at No. 3. Sources say general manager Koby Altman currently sees too much of a gap between Mobley/Green and the other prospects, which means it’s unlikely he would willingly drop down a few spots and choose from a lesser pool of prospects. Those trade calls started weeks ago. Altman’s listening. He has to. It’s his job. But it would take a “Godfather” offer, according to a source.

Love hearing this

49ersSF · 07-27-2021, 04:25 PM

Altman is just doing what he needs to do as a GM. He's attempting to give the impression that there is a giant gap after #3 in order to drive up value. There is no real truth to what he is saying but if you are a team picking after #3 you might be willing to give up more to trade up.

tjforce · 07-27-2021, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Altman is just doing what he needs to do as a GM. He's attempting to give the impression that there is a giant gap after #3 in order to drive up value. There is no real truth to what he is saying but if you are a team picking after #3 you might be willing to give up more to trade up.

At the same time, I think there's truth to what's coming out.

Cavs aren't in a position where they NEED to trade. If nobody blows you away with an offer, you just stay put and make your pick.

On the other hand, if Toronto wants to overpay to move up one spot because the player of their dreams is at 3, then you take advantage.

jcardstore · 07-27-2021, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Altman is just doing what he needs to do as a GM. He's attempting to give the impression that there is a giant gap after #3 in order to drive up value. There is no real truth to what he is saying but if you are a team picking after #3 you might be willing to give up more to trade up.

But there is a massive gap between 3 and everyone else, it’s not like some secret where he’s trying to drive up the value.

07-26-2021, 05:17 PM	#276
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,843 ohiosundevils	Evan Mobley Ranking in 92nd percentile on floaters. Outperforming smaller, supposedly quicker guards in dribbling, speed and agility drills. Switchable defensive linchpin. #Cavs draft target Evan Mobley isn’t the typical 7-footer “He’s a unicorn. What can’t he do?” __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

07-27-2021, 08:39 AM	#281
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 21,854 Jcardstore	If that's true, OKC is hilariously dumb. Good for them Detroit was even dumber to turn it down. __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

07-27-2021, 09:08 AM	#283
jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 21,854 Jcardstore	Yea I mean I guess if you're 100% certain Shai isn't gonna resign you'd consider that deal but there's no way to be 100% when he's got another year left on his deal. He's gonna get offered a max extension probably __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

07-27-2021, 03:53 PM	#294
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,907	I am thinking the Warriors are going to swoop in at #7 and grab Josh Giddey. He is a perfect fit for the Warriors and has all-star potential. __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

07-27-2021, 04:07 PM	#295
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,843 ohiosundevils	From the Cleveland.com mock draft today In simple terms: The Cavs will likely choose the player Houston doesn’t. While trading back continues to be mentioned as a possibility, Cleveland’s front office has lamented a lack of lottery luck over the past few seasons. This is the position the Cavs want to be in. The one they need to be in. They celebrated on lottery night and that joy has only increased throughout the pre-draft process, as they weigh their options at No. 3. Sources say general manager Koby Altman currently sees too much of a gap between Mobley/Green and the other prospects, which means it’s unlikely he would willingly drop down a few spots and choose from a lesser pool of prospects. Those trade calls started weeks ago. Altman’s listening. He has to. It’s his job. But it would take a “Godfather” offer, according to a source. __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

07-27-2021, 08:06 AM	#278
tgriffey30 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 420	A few different sites have reported OKC offered Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the 6th pick to DET for the 1st pick, but DET declined

07-27-2021, 08:38 AM	#280
tgriffey30 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 420	These are the 2 I read this morning: "According to Ethan Fuller of Basketball News, the Pistons declined an offer from the Thunder that included the #6 pick and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in exchange for the #1 pick in Thursday's NBA Draft." "As Fischer notes, if the Thunder are open to discussing Gilgeous-Alexander in trade scenarios, that represents a change from the team’s philosophy during the 2020 offseason. At that point, all four teams with top-four picks contacted OKC about SGA and were “quickly rebuffed,” sources tell Bleacher Report. This offseason, on the other hand, it sounds like the Thunder are even willing to bring up Gilgeous-Alexander in trade discussions themselves. According to both Fischer and Jonathan Wasserman of Bleacher Report, Oklahoma City offered Gilgeous-Alexander and the No. 6 pick in this year’s draft to the Pistons in exchange for the No. 1 overall pick. That was apparently the “legitimate” offer Wasserman alluded to on Monday, which Detroit turned down."

07-27-2021, 08:50 AM	#282
bluebirds987 Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 297	I'm not sure Shai wants to resign in OKC. I read somewhere that he prefers going back to Los Angeles or Toronto. He may pull an Anthony Davis and leave for a bigger market.

07-27-2021, 03:04 PM	#287
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,954 brothertona1	Atlanta may have their guy Ayo Dosunmu: We’ve seen a surge in Dosunmu’s stock recently. He’s been projected all over the place in the 20s and early second round. For Dosunmu, teams have become more and more impressed by him as of late. League sources told The Athletic he won’t fall past the Lakers at 22. Hawks at 20 are a real possibility, and where many are guessing he goes with Atlanta’s need for a backup lead guard. Even the Warriors are believed to have real interest in him, but won’t prioritize the position if there are wings on their big board available (assuming they keep those picks). Knicks could even be in play at No. 19 or No. 21 because of their emphasis on the point guard position this offseason.

07-27-2021, 03:16 PM	#289
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,143 accrules	Houston is getting Green. IG/reddit detectives are saying his gf was scoping out apartments in Houston, in addition to all the other stuff from earlier. I'm 99% sure 1 & 2 are Cade and Green. I think 3 & 4 are Kuminga and suggs... after that is still lots of question marks, but top 2 are set, and top 4 seem pretty set.

07-27-2021, 03:17 PM	#290
Middies31985 Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 965 mercer6huz Mercer85	Is Sexton still a Cavalier after the draft?

07-27-2021, 04:25 PM	#298
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,907	Altman is just doing what he needs to do as a GM. He's attempting to give the impression that there is a giant gap after #3 in order to drive up value. There is no real truth to what he is saying but if you are a team picking after #3 you might be willing to give up more to trade up. __________________ They see what they have been told to see.