Regular service returning December 1st? - Page 12

KhalDrogo · 12-05-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

No qualms with reopening at all given that they can control volume to allocate 90% of work to the backlog.

My problem will be paying $100 for 2-3 month TAs. That just won’t be appetizing. 2 month TAs were available for $7 per card 3 years ago. #thanksinflation

I paid $700 for an automated blind for my front door in August and I still don’t have it. I’ve grown accustomed to waiting. An extra 1-2 months to save $50 a card seems fair.

yoyosh · 12-05-2021, 04:05 PM

Can anyone spare me some time and answer a Q?
What’s estimated return time on PCS new $100 “regular” service?

jewcer2k5 · 12-05-2021, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yoyosh

Can anyone spare me some time and answer a Q?
What’s estimated return time on PCS new $100 “regular” service?

I’m guessing 3 months.

KhalDrogo · 12-05-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yoyosh

Can anyone spare me some time and answer a Q?
What’s estimated return time on PCS new $100 “regular” service?

We don’t know. With Express at 3-4 weeks, I assume PSA is aiming to have these Regular orders back in 2 months, 3 months tops.

Skunkbush · 12-05-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I paid $700 for an automated blind for my front door in August and I still don’t have it. I’ve grown accustomed to waiting. An extra 1-2 months to save $50 a card seems fair.

Are you PCing the blind or flipping it?

anusinha · 12-05-2021, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yoyosh

Can anyone spare me some time and answer a Q?
What’s estimated return time on PCS new $100 “regular” service?

According to my guy at PSA, they are telling people 3 months but hoping for 2.

ArmyDC · 12-05-2021, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

According to my guy at PSA, they are telling people 3 months but hoping for 2.

So $150 for 3-4 weeks.. $100 for 2-3 months? That doesn’t make much sense to me.. if you have a card you are willing to pay $100, what is $50 more for two months? For an extra 2 months should be like $75 IMO.

ChaseUA · 12-05-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyDC

So $150 for 3-4 weeks.. $100 for 2-3 months? That doesn’t make much sense to me.. if you have a card you are willing to pay $100, what is $50 more for two months? For an extra 2 months should be like $75 IMO.

Because if they charged $75 that wait wouldn't be 2-3 months, it would probably be 6-9 months as they would get inundated with submissions again. I know they are planning to cap the regular submissions initially - but I think that is more so as a preventative just to ensure they don't get overwhelmed again. I have no issue with the current pricing and assumed they would do the limbo with pricing and gradually reduce until their output could keep up with input while also handling the backlog. I assume we will see a much cheaper option open up as soon as the backlog has less than 60 (possibly 30) days of production capacity remaining, and they may limit those submissions to the capacity they can output. If the demand isn't there to match the production at that price it will gradually decrease until a new market equilibrium is established.

imbluestreak23 · 12-05-2021, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Back in my day we walked 2 miles to school uphill both ways, in the snow, w/out coats.

Fortunately, the analogy for PSAs pricing is you could pay an extra $50 and skip the line 6-8 weeks, today…

If the announcement states regular is $100 for 2-3 months tomorrow, if flipping, no reason to use the service over express.

Folks shouldn’t give in to this.

The_Reverend · 12-05-2021, 11:22 PM

I am using the express @ $150 because the cards I have sent merit that price point for around 3 weeks turn around. I have cards that I to send down the line, but I am not sending stuff at that price of $100 for MAYBE a 3 month turnaround. I can wait or slab some with SGC and just hold until the tide is rising for the cards becasue. Rising tide lifts all ships.

MFaulkCollector · 12-06-2021, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseUA

Because if they charged $75 that wait wouldn't be 2-3 months, it would probably be 6-9 months as they would get inundated with submissions again. I know they are planning to cap the regular submissions initially - but I think that is more so as a preventative just to ensure they don't get overwhelmed again. I have no issue with the current pricing and assumed they would do the limbo with pricing and gradually reduce until their output could keep up with input while also handling the backlog. I assume we will see a much cheaper option open up as soon as the backlog has less than 60 (possibly 30) days of production capacity remaining, and they may limit those submissions to the capacity they can output. If the demand isn't there to match the production at that price it will gradually decrease until a new market equilibrium is established.

PSA has 7.5 million cards at the value level still to be graded... they will never get down to 30-60 days of in house productivity left and it's by design. They are opening up a new level now that will bring in a meaningful number of cards (unlike the 250 earlier option which was dropped to 150)...... Think about that for a moment.... if they could grade a million cards a month they still have 240 days of productivity in house.. and now they are opening up the group submitter BS again on top of random membership subs.

Group submitters are the absolute last thing PSA needs right now..... if people are too stupid to submit themselves then they shouldn't be able to submit. If someone has a few cards they want to submit; they can either find more to get to whatever 10-20 card threshold value will eventually be or they can sit on the sideline........ with 7.5 millions cards to be graded, if they open anything it should be a first come first serve opportunity for platinum members only starting with the longest tenure memberships. Group subs should only come back into play when every service level is managed exactly as they want it to be (value included)

KhalDrogo · 12-06-2021, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Group submitters are the absolute last thing PSA needs right now..... if people are too stupid to submit themselves then they shouldn't be able to submit.

Tell me how you would go about doing this.

The_Reverend · 12-06-2021, 12:27 AM

I always woNDERED why PSA does not use a FIFO system for individual and group submitter.

Woodsy074 · 12-06-2021, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Group submitters are the absolute last thing PSA needs right now..... if people are too stupid to submit themselves then they shouldn't be able to submit. If someone has a few cards they want to submit; they can either find more to get to whatever 10-20 card threshold value will eventually be or they can sit on the sideline........ with 7.5 millions cards to be graded, if they open anything it should be a first come first serve opportunity for platinum members only starting with the longest tenure memberships. Group subs should only come back into play when every service level is managed exactly as they want it to be (value included)

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Tell me how you would go about doing this.

Quoting the full applicable part of his response helps. MFaulk is 100% correct.

mnvikingstwins · 12-06-2021, 12:55 AM

Saves them a considerable amount of time if the people sending 10-20 card solo orders condense them into group submissions of 200-500 card orders

brios8 · 12-06-2021, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I always woNDERED why PSA does not use a FIFO system for individual and group submitter.

I have the exact same thought. This would be one of my only complaints about PSA. Doesnt make sense to me when two orders get received by PSA the same day yet one takes 4 months and the other 8.

clocsta2323 · 12-06-2021, 04:58 AM

Sorry but group submissions is what ruined a good thing at PSA.

ChaseUA · 12-06-2021, 08:40 AM

People complain about group submitters but they make perfect sense from PSA’s perspective. Much more efficient to package and ship one large box vs 40 smaller ones.

Group submitters didn’t backlog PSA. It was uninformed submitters and an uninformed new run of “investors” pumping up base card graded cards and creating a false illusion that the model of buying mass produced base cards raw, having them graded, and then selling them was a sustainable business model that anyone could succeed in. While there will still be some that can profit this way, it’ll take more strategy now with increased grading pricing and turn around times - the latter of which we are likely 3 years away from reverting to pre-pandemic levels (if ever).

KhalDrogo · 12-06-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy074

Quoting the full applicable part of his response helps. MFaulk is 100% correct.

But how does PSA stop stupid people from submitting?

Skunkbush · 12-06-2021, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Tell me how you would go about doing this.

You would go about it by flexing you bought a $700 blind for your front door on a sports collecting forum.

KhalDrogo · 12-06-2021, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunkbush

You would go about it by flexing you bought a $700 blind for your front door on a sports collecting forum.

I did it just for you skunky.

SupermanBrandon · 12-06-2021, 08:56 AM

The ole skunk fell into that trap!

Re: Group Submitters. PSA would probably prefer every card be subbed through a group. It saves them so much time processing 1 order vs 5-10-15-20 individual orders. I can’t imagine the amount of “wrong” forms and submissions that they receive via single subs. Which then takes even more time.

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hammerva · 12-06-2021, 09:31 AM

If you have to pay $100 a card is it really "regular" service? Maybe it is for the upper echelon collectors/dealers but not everyone else. While I think the days of $5-$15 costs are over and should be, I don't think PSA reputation is still worth paying 3 times more than SGC. Personally $50 would be the better option.

mcb0419 · 12-06-2021, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseUA

People complain about group submitters but they make perfect sense from PSA’s perspective. Much more efficient to package and ship one large box vs 40 smaller ones.

Group submitters didn’t backlog PSA. It was uninformed submitters and an uninformed new run of “investors” pumping up base card graded cards and creating a false illusion that the model of buying mass produced base cards raw, having them graded, and then selling them was a sustainable business model that anyone could succeed in. While there will still be some that can profit this way, it’ll take more strategy now with increased grading pricing and turn around times - the latter of which we are likely 3 years away from reverting to pre-pandemic levels (if ever).

I went to my first show in probably 20 years last month and it was strange having to wade through the boxes and boxes of PSA graded Topps flagship Keston Hiura rookies and the like.

PoPCulture · 12-06-2021, 09:43 AM

I’ll try to steer this car out of the “group submitters are the Devil” lane and back onto topic.

I have a small stack of cards that I would have had no issue sending express at $150. However, I will not need these cards until March or April so if I can save $50 per card by using regular and still have the cards back at the right time then I’ll consider that a win. I’m not going to say regular service will work for everyone right now but I found it useful.

12-06-2021, 09:43 AM	#300
PoPCulture Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: In the Goldilocks Zone Posts: 8,647	I’ll try to steer this car out of the “group submitters are the Devil” lane and back onto topic. I have a small stack of cards that I would have had no issue sending express at $150. However, I will not need these cards until March or April so if I can save $50 per card by using regular and still have the cards back at the right time then I’ll consider that a win. I’m not going to say regular service will work for everyone right now but I found it useful. __________________ Short Print

12-05-2021, 04:05 PM	#277
yoyosh Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: USA Posts: 4,409 partyauctions yoyosh	Can anyone spare me some time and answer a Q? What’s estimated return time on PCS new $100 “regular” service?

12-05-2021, 11:22 PM	#285
The_Reverend Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 15,373 islubi	I am using the express @ $150 because the cards I have sent merit that price point for around 3 weeks turn around. I have cards that I to send down the line, but I am not sending stuff at that price of $100 for MAYBE a 3 month turnaround. I can wait or slab some with SGC and just hold until the tide is rising for the cards becasue. Rising tide lifts all ships.

12-06-2021, 12:27 AM	#288
The_Reverend Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 15,373 islubi	I always woNDERED why PSA does not use a FIFO system for individual and group submitter.

12-06-2021, 12:55 AM	#290
mnvikingstwins Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 42,193 ski_4 ski_4	Saves them a considerable amount of time if the people sending 10-20 card solo orders condense them into group submissions of 200-500 card orders

12-06-2021, 04:58 AM	#292
clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,868	Sorry but group submissions is what ruined a good thing at PSA.

12-06-2021, 08:40 AM	#293
ChaseUA Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 777	People complain about group submitters but they make perfect sense from PSA’s perspective. Much more efficient to package and ship one large box vs 40 smaller ones. Group submitters didn’t backlog PSA. It was uninformed submitters and an uninformed new run of “investors” pumping up base card graded cards and creating a false illusion that the model of buying mass produced base cards raw, having them graded, and then selling them was a sustainable business model that anyone could succeed in. While there will still be some that can profit this way, it’ll take more strategy now with increased grading pricing and turn around times - the latter of which we are likely 3 years away from reverting to pre-pandemic levels (if ever).

12-06-2021, 08:56 AM	#297
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	The ole skunk fell into that trap! Re: Group Submitters. PSA would probably prefer every card be subbed through a group. It saves them so much time processing 1 order vs 5-10-15-20 individual orders. I can’t imagine the amount of “wrong” forms and submissions that they receive via single subs. Which then takes even more time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-06-2021, 09:31 AM	#298
hammerva Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Posts: 595	If you have to pay $100 a card is it really "regular" service? Maybe it is for the upper echelon collectors/dealers but not everyone else. While I think the days of $5-$15 costs are over and should be, I don't think PSA reputation is still worth paying 3 times more than SGC. Personally $50 would be the better option.