Bryce Young a successful NFL quarterback?

[Cubsbball25]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Andy Dalton has had a great career.
Picked in 2nd rd out of TCU for an awful franchise. 3x Pro Bowl, almost 40k yds, 4x playoff appearances, 250+ TDs.
No not a HOF but certainly a very good career.
The franchise sold everything for Bryce, whiffed on Ekwonu, had no assets to build out due to the Bears trade, has the most petty and meddlesome owner in sports, traded their best defensive asset (Burns), fired their coach in under a year ect.
Would Desmond Ridder have done better?
Bryce has his issues but the franchise really needed that 1 OVR last year. And by all told Reich wanted Stroud and was vetoed by Tepper. Who refuses to finish a 50mm practice facility and stiffed the contractors.

Very well said.

I’d also like to add that they missed on taking Jaycee Horn over PSII. Horn is pretty good when he plays, but all of that time missed is brutal.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

None of that changes the fact he's a journeyman back up QB who has never been as great as he was supposed to be.

How good was he supposed to be? Nobody ever saw excellence in Dalton. Nobody saw him as trash, either. Dalton was what we saw: a good starter for 8 or 9 years. Face it: we've never seen more than 10 very good or better quarterbacks in the league at one time. There's a reason for that. While Dalton wasn't special, playing for a less than mediocre franchise like the Bengals didn't help, either. Teams don't do enough to help quarterbacks excel. If your job didn't do enough to help you excel, you would experience some of the same, unless you leave. It's hard to play quarterback, or any other position, in this league. Don't let Brady and Elway fool you.

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[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Andy Dalton has had a great career.
Picked in 2nd rd out of TCU for an awful franchise. 3x Pro Bowl, almost 40k yds, 4x playoff appearances, 250+ TDs.
No not a HOF but certainly a very good career.
The franchise sold everything for Bryce, whiffed on Ekwonu, had no assets to build out due to the Bears trade, has the most petty and meddlesome owner in sports, traded their best defensive asset (Burns), fired their coach in under a year ect.
Would Desmond Ridder have done better?
Bryce has his issues but the franchise really needed that 1 OVR last year. And by all told Reich wanted Stroud and was vetoed by Tepper. Who refuses to finish a 50mm practice facility and stiffed the contractors.

I tend to agree he isn't a journeyman if you take in his whole career, at the moment he is but that would be the same as saying a former boxing contender who hung around too long and was fighting tank town fights was always a journeyman fighter.

If Dalton played out his whole career with the Bengals he would have a case to be wall of fame member.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

4 teams in 5 years. That doesn’t happen to “great” quarterbacks

I don't know, guys like Warren Moon and Brett Favre played for 3 teams in 4 years

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by duwal

I don't know, guys like Warren Moon and Brett Favre played for 3 teams in 4 years

Oh, so now he's in their category? He's a HOF

[Floridacardguy]

How good is BRYCE YOUNG>?????? Do they draft another QB, or do they roll with the Red Rifle, the greatest QB ever?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I could name another 5-6 that’s not the point. Again you are making it sound like a top tier QB came in and couldn’t get it done so maybe Bryce Young is getting a bad rap. In reality Dalton is not a top QB. The team has issues clearly but they also don’t have great or special QBs capable off maximizing what they do have

Wrong, I am making it sound like maybe. Just maybe. Young wasnt the issue on this team. Dalton, who can, has and typically will step in and play well. Still put up the same type of stats and wins that poor Bryce was.

The problem is more the team, talent and coaching. Then Young being a bust.

Dont make it seem like I am calling Dalton a Hall of Famer. No idea how all of this got lost on you.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

How good is BRYCE YOUNG>?????? Do they draft another QB, or do they roll with the Red Rifle, the greatest QB ever?

I'd have to think this is just trolling. You truly cant be that stupid, right? No one is calling Dalton the greatest QB ever. Go back and re-read this thread. So you stop making a fool out of yourself.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Oh, so now he's in their category? He's a HOF

No, the key learning from that example is that even great quarterbacks have bounced around towards the end of their career. Not that Andy Dalton is on par with Moon and Favre.

[Derekbauer]

With another 1,552 yards Andy Dalton will surpass Joe Montana on the all time passing yards list and land in the top 25 all time. Let that sink in.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

With another 1,552 yards Andy Dalton will surpass Joe Montana on the all time passing yards list and land in the top 25 all time. Let that sink in.

That is crazy. Just really shows on the current era really has changed in regards to passing numbers. I made a post a couple years ago. Carson Palmer led the league in passing one year with 4000 yards. It was considered a huge season. He would have been something like 13th in passing the current year. My numbers may be a little off from memory, but you get the point.

Growing up in the 80's, 3000 yards passing use to a big milestone and they made insert sets around it. Now any QB who starts 14 games or so will reach that number. That is just 215 yards a game. Even bottom tier QBs can scratch out 200 yards every game.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

That is crazy. Just really shows on the current era really has changed in regards to passing numbers. I made a post a couple years ago. Carson Palmer led the league in passing one year with 4000 yards. It was considered a huge season. He would have been something like 13th in passing the current year. My numbers may be a little off from memory, but you get the point.

Growing up in the 80's, 3000 yards passing use to a big milestone and they made insert sets around it. Now any QB who starts 14 games or so will reach that number. That is just 215 yards a game. Even bottom tier QBs can scratch out 200 yards every game.

Oh for sure. Different eras. Andy Dalton is not a top 25 QB of all time.

However, you do not throw for 40,000 yards in the NFL if you’re not (or were) a good quarterback.

[foleylion08]

Maybe the Panthers will realize they actually need to acquire some talent on the offensive line and skill positions and give Bryce a chance to succeed. I think they should give it at least another season, depending where they draft and who's available. JaTavion Sanders looks to be coming along nicely, we'll see if he has rapport with Young. Plus will be nice to see when Jonathan Brooks finally gets on the field for the Panthers. Leggette has so far been unworthy of his first round pick status, but it's early.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Grid

I'd have to think this is just trolling. You truly cant be that stupid, right? No one is calling Dalton the greatest QB ever. Go back and re-read this thread. So you stop making a fool out of yourself.

Of course I don't think he's the greatest QB of all time. Of course I am not that stupid- it's called sarcasm.

The point of this thread is NOT "how great a QB is Andy Dalton?" It's 'how good is Bryce Young, and will he be replaced?'

[Scottish Punk]

If Panthers get the number one overall pick again. They need to pick a QB. Young ain't it. If you could trick a team to take him for a second or third rounder, than that is a bonus. The rest of the draft should go for support of the QB. They are like the Lions for several years, taking best available is probably the best idea. Every position is a need anyways.

[Derekbauer]

Diontae Johnson ruled out for Sunday. Leading receiver by far. Young can’t catch a break it seems.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Of course I don't think he's the greatest QB of all time. Of course I am not that stupid- it's called sarcasm.

The point of this thread is NOT "how great a QB is Andy Dalton?" It's 'how good is Bryce Young, and will he be replaced?'

How good was Andy Dalton supposed to be. Love how you just keep avoiding questions

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

How good was Andy Dalton supposed to be. Love how you just keep avoiding questions

Stop having such a meltdown over one person's opinion of Andy Dalton

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Stop having such a meltdown over one person's opinion of Andy Dalton

Exactly

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

How good was Andy Dalton supposed to be. Love how you just keep avoiding questions

Why do you keep on asking me about Dalton? This thread is about Bryce Young. I am not talking about Dalton any more

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Diontae Johnson ruled out for Sunday. Leading receiver by far. Young can’t catch a break it seems.

He is for sure, and that Denver D is good this year. Leggette has shown some glimpses. He may have to step up, and Denver may not have Surtain.
Could be a big game for Hubbard catching passes

[patchgenie]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Diontae Johnson ruled out for Sunday. Leading receiver by far. Young can’t catch a break it seems.

seems like he is going to be traded. Tampa or KC

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Why do you keep on asking me about Dalton? This thread is about Bryce Young. I am not talking about Dalton any more

I wasn’t the only one asking. You just kept dodging the same question. All good if you don’t have an answer. We all make mistakes

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I wasn’t the only one asking. You just kept dodging the same question. All good if you don’t have an answer. We all make mistakes

Good- Back on topic

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Good- Back on topic