Official 2025 NFC North Thread

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

It's looking more and more likely. Poor JJ!

Might do him some good to sit behind one of the best. Did well for Love, who was not very good to begin with and has maintained a winning record in 2 seasons since. Did well for Rodgers...we all know the history. Kid needs his confidence back after that injury and education never hurts.

I personally don't think it will happen, but who knows.

[packman80]

Rodgers the evil genius. He signs with MN and plays poorly MN goes 6-11 and Rodgers retires. All along it was Rodgers plan to go to MN and tank there season in revenge for there fans cheering him breaking his collarbone as a member of the Pakers.

[slyguy]

Guys, Minn doesn't want Aaron Rodgers at age 41-42 season.
Juice isn't worth the squeeze. Not even close.
The guy is dramatic, selfish, annoying. He tries to dictate personnel moves.
The fanbase hates him and his antics... they have for years, when he was in GB.

The team didn't trade up to let JJ McCarthy sit.
The fact that they pursued no vet QBs tells you that JJ is healthy and ready.
Sam friggin Darnold did well in the system.
Vikings can simply sign any vet left to be QB2 or QB2 (many still out in FA).

Of course Rodgers wants to be a Viking. Why not? Darnold wanted to be back too.
Great WR set, good TE, good team, good QB/offense coach.
He could pad his stats, go out on a high note, even chase a SB.
But they don't want him. Sorry. He's a whiner and not very awesome anymore.
Simply read the headlines... they haven't met with him, haven't talked to his agent.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Guys, Minn doesn't want Aaron Rodgers at age 41-42 season.
Juice isn't worth the squeeze. Not even close.
The guy is dramatic, selfish, annoying. He tries to dictate personnel moves.
The fanbase hates him and his antics... they have for years, when he was in GB.

The team didn't trade up to let JJ McCarthy sit.
The fact that they pursued no vet QBs tells you that JJ is healthy and ready.
Sam friggin Darnold did well in the system.
Vikings can simply sign any vet left to be QB2 or QB2 (many still out in FA).

Of course Rodgers wants to be a Viking. Why not? Darnold wanted to be back too.
Great WR set, good TE, good team, good QB/offense coach.
He could pad his stats, go out on a high note, even chase a SB.
But they don't want him. Sorry. He's a whiner and not very awesome anymore.
Simply read the headlines... they haven't met with him, haven't talked to his agent.

I, and most everyone not named Aaron Rodgers agrees with everything you said. Except line 1.

JJ is the future. The Vikings roster is built to win now. 14 games won last year, with Darnold. Rodgers, even in his 40s. Should be an upgrade. Vikings sent 7 players to the pro bowl last year. Its a good roster, with a good coach. That is one good QB away from making real noise.

JJ coming off a season ending injury. With zero NFL experience. Is a huge risk. Rodgers as a 1 maybe 2 year rental does make sense IMO.

[Leggo]

Originally Posted by Ninotores

Well, to be fair, south siders don't have the best rep for their intellect. Lol. I lived in Lincoln Park for a few years right behind Weiner Circle. Fun for the age I was but no matter how dumpy and low IQ it is, south side is my home, so back I went. I guess I should start fragmenting the types of fans between north and south going forward.

Love the Weiner Circle. I am a north sider to be fair

[Leggo]

Originally Posted by Grid

Fields was a disappointment. Now you found 2. But then again, I am a North Sider. Maybe that is why I was in the "draft Caleb Club" over "Keep Fields".

But the fan base seemed pretty evenly divided. The fact Fields is on his 3rd team in 3 years, doesn't help the "We should have kept him" crowd.

The hope with Fields, is that he could have been a Lamar clone. But Fields never had the pocket awareness or deep ball that Jackson had.

Caleb as a rookie, tossed 1,000 more yards, more TD's and nearly half the INTs that we got from Justin in any season. It was the right move.

I honestly never understood the Fields divide. He was slow on his progressions and usually was a first read then tuck type a run guy. He showed very little development throughout his years as a passer. The guy was electric on the ground don't get me wrong and that was what made him so tantalizing but his lack of development was a red flag.

I was laughing at the Fields crowd when the Steelers had the hot start and everyone was pointing to Fields as the driver of the success when in reality he was just keeping the ship afloat until Russ got back.

I will admit this is the closest I have been to being part of the "unrealistic Bears Fans" that was mentioned. If I had to plant my flag at a certain point in time to take a bold stance, I think it is now. I believe in Ben Johnson and Caleb is 1000% bought in. The FO is making the right moves by building the trenches and I couldn't be more aligned with the moves being made. Even with all being said, I still remain cautious of a letdown.

[Viking6]

Originally Posted by Grid

I, and most everyone not named Aaron Rodgers agrees with everything you said. Except line 1.

JJ is the future. The Vikings roster is built to win now. 14 games won last year, with Darnold. Rodgers, even in his 40s. Should be an upgrade. Vikings sent 7 players to the pro bowl last year. Its a good roster, with a good coach. That is one good QB away from making real noise.

JJ coming off a season ending injury. With zero NFL experience. Is a huge risk. Rodgers as a 1 maybe 2 year rental does make sense IMO.

It makes sense to me if they don't think the off field stuff is a distraction. It is too risky having a playoff caliber team led by a 2nd year guy fresh off a serious injury.

If Rodgers is willing to play for 10 mil and understands if things go south he will get benched.... I don't see why it couldn't happen.

If he wants money or a better chance to play the whole season he will go to Pitt or NYG or still retire.

Sitting JJ another season behind a multi time NFL MVP isn't the worst thing.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Leggo

I honestly never understood the Fields divide. He was slow on his progressions and usually was a first read then tuck type a run guy. He showed very little development throughout his years as a passer. The guy was electric on the ground don't get me wrong and that was what made him so tantalizing but his lack of development was a red flag.

I was laughing at the Fields crowd when the Steelers had the hot start and everyone was pointing to Fields as the driver of the success when in reality he was just keeping the ship afloat until Russ got back.

I will admit this is the closest I have been to being part of the "unrealistic Bears Fans" that was mentioned. If I had to plant my flag at a certain point in time to take a bold stance, I think it is now. I believe in Ben Johnson and Caleb is 1000% bought in. The FO is making the right moves by building the trenches and I couldn't be more aligned with the moves being made. Even with all being said, I still remain cautious of a letdown.

To be fair to the "Keep Fields" divide. It wasn't just so much keeping him, it was a combo of that (letting him progress as a pro) and then trading the #1 in 2024 (Caleb should have gotten a higher price then Young drew in 2023). And then use that bounty of picks for years to come.

The fact that Fields didn't grow, even behind a better line in Pittsburgh. And a real HC. And that the Bears would most likely be in a Packer situation with Love. Overpaying in the hopes that one day he would be elite. And the fact that there is no "WOW" player in this draft, to have used those picks on if they did trade out. Makes it easy to say the Bears made the right move.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Viking6

It makes sense to me if they don't think the off field stuff is a distraction. It is too risky having a playoff caliber team led by a 2nd year guy fresh off a serious injury.

If Rodgers is willing to play for 10 mil and understands if things go south he will get benched.... I don't see why it couldn't happen.

If he wants money or a better chance to play the whole season he will go to Pitt or NYG or still retire.

Sitting JJ another season behind a multi time NFL MVP isn't the worst thing.

That is the magic of Rodgers! He is like the hot girl in high school. Say the right thing, act the right way. But once they are in, it all goes to crap. The idea of Rodgers is better than the person. Most should agree on that. The old man is still a talent. But yeah, the circus would be coming to town as well sooner or later.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Viking6

It makes sense to me if they don't think the off field stuff is a distraction. It is too risky having a playoff caliber team led by a 2nd year guy fresh off a serious injury.

If Rodgers is willing to play for 10 mil and understands if things go south he will get benched.... I don't see why it couldn't happen.

If he wants money or a better chance to play the whole season he will go to Pitt or NYG or still retire.

Sitting JJ another season behind a multi time NFL MVP isn't the worst thing.

Are you smoking the stuff Rodgers does? Zero chance Rodgers would play for 10 million or be ok going with the bench. You offer that he would laugh in MN GM's face. I have heard so many Vikings fans act like Rodgers would play for nothing to try to win a championship with them. Yeah that will never happen. Would he maybe take 20-25 million like he did with NY sure but taking backup money to start sorry this is the real world.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Viking6

It makes sense to me if they don't think the off field stuff is a distraction. It is too risky having a playoff caliber team led by a 2nd year guy fresh off a serious injury.

If Rodgers is willing to play for 10 mil and understands if things go south he will get benched.... I don't see why it couldn't happen.

If he wants money or a better chance to play the whole season he will go to Pitt or NYG or still retire.

Sitting JJ another season behind a multi time NFL MVP isn't the worst thing.

I agree with none of this... I think you're living in 2020-21?
You're acting like Rodgers is coming off a good year. He has been nothing special since 2021!

"Multi-time NFL MVP" was a looong time ago. Injuries, crap play, time have all taken their toll.
NYJ had an amzing young WR in GWilson, elite young RB Breece, Aaron's hand-picked Lazard, and added HOF WR in Davante. Still bad results 2024.
Rodgers won't play for peanuts. He's a big ego. He wants to be paid big.
The minute he's benched or even talk of it, he's whining on talk shows, dissing owner/teammates. We've seen this.
The fan base of Vikings HATES Rodgers. He's self centered, dramatic, played (well) for GB for years.

JJ is the future. He's healthy (or they'd have signed a vet QB like Mac or DJones by now). The team can win with him.
Was 2024 Sam Darnold so amazing in NYJ and Carolina and backup in SF? That worked fine on Vikings.
If the team is good, the QB doesn't have to do a ton. They have the COTY who is great with QBs.
McCarthy repeatedly says that he wants to compete for the 2025 starting gig - at minimum (Rodgers disallows that).
If they're not sure, they can get any vet QB who doesn't bring the drama/theatre that Rodgers does.

You will all see in a week or so: Minn won't make the guy an offer.
Why do you all think he's had zero contact from the team and no visit scheduled?
This team has been working too hard with new GM and coach and relatively new owner to have drama ruin it now.
All of the talk by Rodgers is just him trying to peer pressure the team to meet with him... won't work. He's out to pad his stats, get glory. Forget him.
He's nowhere near elite anymore. They know he's a turd at this point. Being "Minnesota nice," they won't flush him. He'll figure it out. Good riddance, ARodg!

[Grid]

In the span of seven days last week, the Minnesota Vikings spent more money on players than any team in the NFL. They retained, acquired via trade or signed as free agents 14 players whose contracts combined for more than $300 million and nearly $160 million in full guarantees.

The Vikes are gearing up for a Super Bowl run. Many of the above are aging yet proven vets on the wrong side of 30. They are going all in on win now mode.

JJ was a top 10 pick. But he was also the 5th QB taken. He was a project. You dont spend like the Vikings have spent on older players to see what you have in a kid who has yet to play NFL ball.

The team has been discussing Rodgers for the past week. This has been widely reported. Its the Vikings holding up Rodgers from signing with the Steelers or Giants. He wants to go there, as its his best chance to pull a Brady. And win on a different team.

If the Vikings go that route, or take a stab at Russ Wilson or something. We shall see. But Rodgers wants to go there. Its just a matter if the Vikings want Rodgers, and at what cost.

[Viking6]

Originally Posted by packman80

Are you smoking the stuff Rodgers does? Zero chance Rodgers would play for 10 million or be ok going with the bench. You offer that he would laugh in MN GM's face. I have heard so many Vikings fans act like Rodgers would play for nothing to try to win a championship with them. Yeah that will never happen. Would he maybe take 20-25 million like he did with NY sure but taking backup money to start sorry this is the real world.

It all comes down to how he wants his "career" to go out. Minnesota does not NEED Rodgers at all. Rodgers best chance to have the storybook ending to his career would be to play for Minnesota however due to the system/talent. Minnesota basically proved they are not going to pay a QB 25 million after letting Darnold walk. They offered Daniel Jones a 1 year 10-12 Mil deal.

Minnesota is probably just as fine giving Flacco a 1 year 7-10 mil deal to be the backup and early starter if JJ is not ready

[Viking6]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I agree with none of this...

Who cares?




You act like experience means nothing. JJ is basically a rookie off a major knee injury. You are not a doctor. Have you seen him running and cutting etc and getting clipped in the legs? You willing to risk an entire season on him possibly not getting re injured?

[Boo]

The Vikings were 9-1 in one score games last year. History shows that it will go more toward the mean this year, no matter who the QB is.

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I agree with none of this... I think you're living in 2020-21?
You're acting like Rodgers is coming off a good year. He has been nothing special since 2021!

"Multi-time NFL MVP" was a looong time ago. Injuries, crap play, time have all taken their toll.
NYJ had an amzing young WR in GWilson, elite young RB Breece, Aaron's hand-picked Lazard, and added HOF WR in Davante. Still bad results 2024.
Rodgers won't play for peanuts. He's a big ego. He wants to be paid big.
The minute he's benched or even talk of it, he's whining on talk shows, dissing owner/teammates. We've seen this.
The fan base of Vikings HATES Rodgers. He's self centered, dramatic, played (well) for GB for years.

JJ is the future. He's healthy (or they'd have signed a vet QB like Mac or DJones by now). The team can win with him.
Was 2024 Sam Darnold so amazing in NYJ and Carolina and backup in SF? That worked fine on Vikings.
If the team is good, the QB doesn't have to do a ton. They have the COTY who is great with QBs.
McCarthy repeatedly says that he wants to compete for the 2025 starting gig - at minimum (Rodgers disallows that).
If they're not sure, they can get any vet QB who doesn't bring the drama/theatre that Rodgers does.

You will all see in a week or so: Minn won't make the guy an offer.
Why do you all think he's had zero contact from the team and no visit scheduled?
This team has been working too hard with new GM and coach and relatively new owner to have drama ruin it now.
All of the talk by Rodgers is just him trying to peer pressure the team to meet with him... won't work. He's out to pad his stats, get glory. Forget him.
He's nowhere near elite anymore. They know he's a turd at this point. Being "Minnesota nice," they won't flush him. He'll figure it out. Good riddance, ARodg!

You have an odd superiority complex.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Boo

The Vikings were 9-1 in one score games last year. History shows that it will go more toward the mean this year, no matter who the QB is.

The historian speaks!

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Ninotores

You have an odd superiority complex.

Cool... saying "you're right" works too.

Minn never had interest in Aaron Rodgers (and came out and said that today).

This is a shock to nobody who pays half attention to pro football.
I simply broke it down as some ppl kept thinking it was a real chance.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Cool... saying "you're right" works too.

Minn never had interest in Aaron Rodgers (and came out and said that today).

This is a shock to nobody who pays half attention to pro football.
I simply broke it down as some ppl kept thinking it was a real chance.

But you weren't right. You boasted the Vikings would have zero interest in him. All anyone ever said in reply to that, was that they did. And we listed the reasons why.

Just read the headlines now. "Why Vikings Are No Longer Interested in Aaron Rodgers" or "Vikings reportedly drop interest in signing Aaron Rodgers as free agent".

They thought about it. They discussed it amongst themselves. As it did make sense to some degree. If his asking price was too high. His demands too much to accept. Or they simply didnt want the circus that comes with him. Who knows.

But they obviously were interested at some point. And the fact it took 10 days for it to leak that they no longer were, is proof you were wrong. Bringing him in was in consideration. Or they would have said "No" at the start of free agency.

[hairysasquatch]

Grid keeping it real. JJ gets the keys. Amazing stuff!

Meanwhile the "Loins" stir the pot with a provocative playoff proposal and shorts are wadded everywhere!

[Grid]

Just when you thought it was over. Bears sign former Pro Bowl All Pro return man Devin Duvernay. Chicago likes stud returners named Devin.

He should be a good gadget man for Ben Johnson as well.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Grid keeping it real. JJ gets the keys. Amazing stuff!

Meanwhile the "Loins" stir the pot with a provocative playoff proposal and shorts are wadded everywhere!

Meh. You win your division, you get to protect your house in the playoffs. Well, for at least the first game. I like it the way it is. Same as MLB & NHL. Who cares what the NBA now does.

Packers want to ban the Tush Push. That was their big contribution to change in the NFL.

Meanwhile. The Bears have proposed that the league retire the numbers "19" & "85". To commemorate the greatest team to ever play.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Grid

Meh. You win your division, you get to protect your house in the playoffs. Well, for at least the first game. I like it the way it is. Same as MLB & NHL. Who cares what the NBA now does.

Packers want to ban the Tush Push. That was their big contribution to change in the NFL.

Meanwhile. The Bears have proposed that the league retire the numbers "19" & "85". To commemorate the greatest team to ever play.

Agreed, I want division wins to mean something.

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Cool... saying "you're right" works too.

Minn never had interest in Aaron Rodgers (and came out and said that today).

This is a shock to nobody who pays half attention to pro football.
I simply broke it down as some ppl kept thinking it was a real chance.

You weren't right. You just have no self awareness or ability to admit to being wrong. It's ok, most here ignore you anyway. No harm done.

[slyguy]

Vikings sign Rondale Moore for WR/PR duty.

Fair pickup if he's back to speed after missing all 2024 with knee injury.

Minn needs a PR who can catch. (as do many good teams)