WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[jrg1128]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with tonight to spin the whole Enzo situation and strip him of the title...

I said it the other day, pull the CWs from the Rumble and let them have their own on Sunday...

I know it would be outta nowhere, but maybe they hot shot Ricochet to the main roster and have him win the whole thing, IDK...

I love Ricochet, hopefully they do big things with him.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by Shogun2049

I suggest you see Rich Swann. He's still working there even after his Domestic Assault allegations.

EDIT: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ion/938544001/

Absolutely apples and oranges.

1. No case being pursued against Swann.
2. The victim is his wife - not some random.
3. MOST IMPORTANTLY - Swann was not accused of a SEXUAL assault.

BIG difference between domestic and sexual in 2018.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with tonight to spin the whole Enzo situation and strip him of the title...

I said it the other day, pull the CWs from the Rumble and let them have their own on Sunday...

I know it would be outta nowhere, but maybe they hot shot Ricochet to the main roster and have him win the whole thing, IDK...

Who said CW's were going to be in the rumble to begin with? None of them were advertised to be in it from what I saw unless I missed something.

[jrg1128]

I can't wait till we have a Braun/Reigns main event at Wrestlemania so I can go to bed early that night.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

More people care when he comes out and wrestles and sells more merch. I stand by what I said. You act like getting pops just coming out makes someone better?

well..first of all..i didnt say he was BETTER than Reigns; he most certainly is a better talker and seller thats for damn sure..

your laughable quote..you said he wished he was AS POPULAR as Reigns..and now in this response you say he does get pops/cheers when he comes out..

umm..isnt that a sign of being popular?

the merch thing has been argued to death repeatedly...and youd have to look at analyzing EVERY detail- such as how much merch is available (im assuming Reigns has waaaayyy more available to purchase)..so on so forth..so that has 0 to do with your original comment

to say someone who has the crowd STILL doing his catchphrase with him as a HEEL and even getting cheers and a pop when coming out...to act as if hes not popular is ridiciulous

and i stand by my statement that all your credibility is lost with your post

[jrg1128]

So now that Miz is IC champion, I guess that means Reigns wins the Royal Rumble right? Snooooozzzee

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Who said CW's were going to be in the rumble to begin with? None of them were advertised to be in it from what I saw unless I missed something.

The absolutely easiest thing to do is at 7 pm, do a 30 minute cruiserweight royal rumble with 10-15 guys, maybe 1 minute intervals, and cut out all the pre-produced talking head crap.

Have Ricochet win or, have #15 be the returning Neville to win it all.

I figured you'd have a few NXT guys in the rumble, but no cruisers. Still hoping for a Yes! movement.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

So now that Miz is IC champion, I guess that means Reigns wins the Royal Rumble right? Snooooozzzee

Reigns winning the RR in Philly worked out so well the last time VKM did it...

[DetroitFan14]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

So now that Miz is IC champion, I guess that means Reigns wins the Royal Rumble right? Snooooozzzee

I disagree, idk how they can have him win it. Philly will riot.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by jrg1128

I love Ricochet, hopefully they do big things with him.

unfortunately..as with basically every other "indy" guy they bring in..theyll probably water him down and not let him be himself..

just look at:

Neville
Cesaro (yeah hes been pushed, but stuck in tag team hell and not ME)
Ambrose (yeah popular and pushed..but nowhere near the character he was)
Mike Bennett
Sami Zayn

im sure i could list plenty others if i dig

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

well..first of all..i didnt say he was BETTER than Reigns; he most certainly is a better talker and seller thats for damn sure..

your laughable quote..you said he wished he was AS POPULAR as Reigns..and now in this response you say he does get pops/cheers when he comes out..

umm..isnt that a sign of being popular?

the merch thing has been argued to death repeatedly...and youd have to look at analyzing EVERY detail- such as how much merch is available (im assuming Reigns has waaaayyy more available to purchase)..so on so forth..so that has 0 to do with your original comment

to say someone who has the crowd STILL doing his catchphrase with him as a HEEL and even getting cheers and a pop when coming out...to act as if hes not popular is ridiciulous

and i stand by my statement that all your credibility is lost with your post

I didn't deny he wasn't popular, He's not AS POPULAR as Reigns is what I said and it's a fact he's not. Sure people sing a long to his bad catchphrase but when he's in the ring wrestling you can hear a pin drop. You don't hear that with Reigns because people are actually invested in his matches.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by DetroitFan14

I disagree, idk how they can have him win it. Philly will riot.

im more inclined to believe Shinsuke wins..theres been a few reasons floated out to why..

but its all but a guarantee that Asuka wins the women's Rumble..and shes RAW..

wouldnt the most logical thing be have SD win the men's to even it out? if not..itd make SD look absolutely terrible and inferior..

then again wouldnt be the first time Vince crapped on SD lately

[jrg1128]

Originally Posted by DetroitFan14

I disagree, idk how they can have him win it. Philly will riot.

And that will stop them from pushing Reigns how? We all know they will push him no matter what. I just figured they might take the title off Brock and let it be Strowman vs Reigns for Wrestlemania since they actually have a feud. Which would give them reason to make Reigns the winner of the Rumble.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I didn't deny he wasn't popular, He's not AS POPULAR as Reigns is what I said and it's a fact he's not. Sure people sing a long to his bad catchphrase but when he's in the ring wrestling you can hear a pin drop. You don't hear that with Reigns because people are actually invested in his matches.

your argument is so flawed...

when Enzo first went solo..the crowd still popped for him in his matches with Cass, even though he got destroyed..

even in that silly ass gimmick where he was above the ring in a cage..pop..pop when he got out of cage so on...

hes been wrestling with the Cruiserweights..who unfortunately for them and how good they are..NOBODY cares about in the live arenas..

contrast tht with Reigns..who is wrestling midcard/ME talent..Cena, Joe, Braun, Lesnar..tag matches with the Shield...

you act like people are solely invested in Reigns matches..just because its a Reigns match..and that makes your argument even more laughable

[Wolves4Life]

Reigns will probably win the #1 contender match at Elimination Chamber. He doesn't need to win it Sunday.

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

your argument is so flawed...

when Enzo first went solo..the crowd still popped for him in his matches with Cass, even though he got destroyed..

even in that silly ass gimmick where he was above the ring in a cage..pop..pop when he got out of cage so on...

hes been wrestling with the Cruiserweights..who unfortunately for them and how good they are..NOBODY cares about in the live arenas..

contrast tht with Reigns..who is wrestling midcard/ME talent..Cena, Joe, Braun, Lesnar..tag matches with the Shield...

you act like people are solely invested in Reigns matches..just because its a Reigns match..and that makes your argument even more laughable

I never said people were solely invested in his matches but it's not secret he gets the biggest reaction (good or bad) on RAW than anyone else. That is one of the reasons he is still getting pushed.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

im more inclined to believe Shinsuke wins..theres been a few reasons floated out to why..

but its all but a guarantee that Asuka wins the women's Rumble..and shes RAW..

wouldnt the most logical thing be have SD win the men's to even it out? if not..itd make SD look absolutely terrible and inferior..

then again wouldnt be the first time Vince crapped on SD lately

I don't think the WWE has any concern about having a balance between Raw and Smackdown whatsoever....

...but don't be so sure that Asuka is going to win. Why not let someone else win and allow Asuka a slow burn up the ladder, rather than hotshot her immediately? I could certainly see a Sasha Banks or Becky Lynch winning, and then going to WM.

Heck, don't forget about Ronda Rousey -- is she going to lose her first match? Why not put her in a WM title match to add to the star power of WM?

Frankly, there's no reason to allow Asuka to win just yet. I think you can count out Alicia Fox, Dana Brooke, and the 5 new callups from NXT (Paige's group and the Riot Squad) -- but everyone else would have a legitimate shot.

Nia Jax? She's now without a storyline, since Enzo's gone. Put her in a match against her frienemy, Alexa Bliss. Certainly a possibility.

A returning Mrs. Cena, Nikki Bella? The company feels they owe her, given what they're making off of her from Total Divas and merch sales, as well as longevity, and the fact that she's John's woman. If she's ready to come back physically, this is a great way to make a return.

Ember Moon - WWE has a history of calling up champs from NXT and having them win.

To me, the Women's RR is even more open than the men's. No reason Asuka has to win just yet.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

I never said people were solely invested in his matches but it's not secret he gets the biggest reaction (good or bad) on RAW than anyone else. That is one of the reasons he is still getting pushed.

please go back and read your own posts then

1st you say Enzo wishes he was as popular as Reigns..when in fact hes one of the most popular heel/faces on the roster (err was)

then..you said everyone is quiet in his matches when people care about Reigns matches and are invested (as a means to say Reigns is more popular)..when in fact it has a lot to do with WHO he is wrestling..

and i dont even hate on Reigns as much as i used to; ive admitted before he has gotten better and is still improving and its more so creative killing him..

but come on bro..those posts are clearly terribly slanted because you are a fan

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

I don't think the WWE has any concern about having a balance between Raw and Smackdown whatsoever....

...but don't be so sure that Asuka is going to win. Why not let someone else win and allow Asuka a slow burn up the ladder, rather than hotshot her immediately? I could certainly see a Sasha Banks or Becky Lynch winning, and then going to WM.

Heck, don't forget about Ronda Rousey -- is she going to lose her first match? Why not put her in a WM title match to add to the star power of WM?

Frankly, there's no reason to allow Asuka to win just yet. I think you can count out Alicia Fox, Dana Brooke, and the 5 new callups from NXT (Paige's group and the Riot Squad) -- but everyone else would have a legitimate shot.

Nia Jax? She's now without a storyline, since Enzo's gone. Put her in a match against her frienemy, Alexa Bliss. Certainly a possibility.

A returning Mrs. Cena, Nikki Bella? The company feels they owe her, given what they're making off of her from Total Divas and merch sales, as well as longevity, and the fact that she's John's woman. If she's ready to come back physically, this is a great way to make a return.

Ember Moon - WWE has a history of calling up champs from NXT and having them win.

To me, the Women's RR is even more open than the men's. No reason Asuka has to win just yet.

oh i agree there are plenty of options for them to go with...just more so with what has been shown

they are building Asuka to be the female Lesnar to a degree..totally unstoppable..

she went undefeated basically in NXT and was the champ for almost 1.5 years...and shes yet to lose on RAW..and she "turned" on her face team last night and tossed them out of the ring over the top rope..

just seems like the next "logical" step in building her..although i think her only "loss" in NXT WAS a battle royal...

and totally agree i dont think Vince cares anymore..he stuck it to SD when it was the more "popular" show and basically raided them during the last draft and they've been crapped on ever since

but it would also set up a "dream" Shinsuke/AJ match that would be HUGELY over at WM

[packman80]

If smart WWE has Miz drop IC title at EC to Balor. Have Miz traded back to Smackdown were against Bryan's wishes Shane makes Miz vs Styles at WM 34 for the WWE title were Miz wins setting off new feud vs Bryan.

[Shogun2049]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Absolutely apples and oranges.

1. No case being pursued against Swann.
2. The victim is his wife - not some random.
3. MOST IMPORTANTLY - Swann was not accused of a SEXUAL assault.

BIG difference between domestic and sexual in 2018.

Sorry, but I still don't follow your logic here. As recently as a week or two ago, there was still a case being made against Rich Swann. He's charged with battery (misdemeanor) and false imprisonment (felony). There were 2 witnesses who gave statements of what they witnessed occur and if they're telling the truth, this could be really bad for Rich and the WWE. Stephanie and Paul were both quoted stating that if he's found guilty, he'll be let go immediately. Until then, he's staying on the roster. Why then was Enzo not given the same treatment? He should've been suspended until the allegations were proved to be true. They are both crimes involving men against women, so in todays world they are both considered just as terrible as the other. We even have a mugshot of Swann but nothing on Enzo.

That's just my 2 cents worth and all I really have to say on the matter.

[Nyfancam01]

if roman wins the rumble I WILL 100% unsubscribe from the network, stop my dvr from recording and completely be done with ALL wwe.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

if roman wins the rumble I WILL 100% unsubscribe from the network, stop my dvr from recording and completely be done with ALL wwe.

Either wins the Rumble or will win at EC to be #1 contender vs Lesnar and win the title at WM.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

...but don't be so sure that Asuka is going to win. Why not let someone else win and allow Asuka a slow burn up the ladder, rather than hotshot her immediately? I could certainly see a Sasha Banks or Becky Lynch winning, and then going to WM.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Heck, don't forget about Ronda Rousey -- is she going to lose her first match? Why not put her in a WM title match to add to the star power of WM?

I'm really starting to think that she's not debuting in the Rumble. Bliss and Charlotte sit ringside, awaiting the winner of the Rumble match. Whoever the Rumble winner is comes from Raw and challenges Bliss. Charlotte thinks she's dodged a bullet, then Rousey makes her debut. This keeps the mystique on Rousey and keeps her out of a ring for 3 more months. Asuka/Bliss (with Nia) and Charlotte/Rousey for Mania.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Frankly, there's no reason to allow Asuka to win just yet. I think you can count out Alicia Fox, Dana Brooke, and the 5 new callups from NXT (Paige's group and the Riot Squad) -- but everyone else would have a legitimate shot.

There's going to be a huge nostalgia run in the Rumble. If Asuka is making a full heel turn, she eliminates the Legends on her way to winning. Otherwise, a big heel will be setup in the Rumble and Asuka will eliminate that heel.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Nia Jax? She's now without a storyline, since Enzo's gone. Put her in a match against her frienemy, Alexa Bliss. Certainly a possibility.

She aligns with Bliss as protection from Asuka. Asuka ends up taking out both of them. Asuka / Nia feud into Summerslam.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

A returning Mrs. Cena, Nikki Bella? The company feels they owe her, given what they're making off of her from Total Divas and merch sales, as well as longevity, and the fact that she's John's woman. If she's ready to come back physically, this is a great way to make a return.

I do think she'll be in the Rumble, but I also see her as one of the "5 minutes and under" crew. She'll be filler to fill up the ring, then get eliminated in a flurry.

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Ember Moon - WWE has a history of calling up champs from NXT and having them win.

Both Ember Moon and Nikki Cross have 0% chance of being in the Rumble. Especially if Asuka is the winner. Moon doesn't debut until end of summer/early fall. Cross potentially debuts after Rumble or after Mania, but only as an entity with Sanity (and most likely, on Smackdown).

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

To me, the Women's RR is even more open than the men's. No reason Asuka has to win just yet.

Even though I think Asuka is the clear winner here, I agree with this statement. There are so many potential storylines, which makes me think that there may be a secondary title or tag titles on the horizon for the women's division.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Shogun2049

Sorry, but I still don't follow your logic here. As recently as a week or two ago, there was still a case being made against Rich Swann. He's charged with battery (misdemeanor) and false imprisonment (felony). There were 2 witnesses who gave statements of what they witnessed occur and if they're telling the truth, this could be really bad for Rich and the WWE. Stephanie and Paul were both quoted stating that if he's found guilty, he'll be let go immediately. Until then, he's staying on the roster. Why then was Enzo not given the same treatment? He should've been suspended until the allegations were proved to be true. They are both crimes involving men against women, so in todays world they are both considered just as terrible as the other. We even have a mugshot of Swann but nothing on Enzo.

That's just my 2 cents worth and all I really have to say on the matter.

People on Twitter are starting to focus in on the wording that WWE used. They "came to terms with the release", not "WWE has released".
There is speculation that Enzo asked for the release.