NBA Top Shot - High Risk, High Reward? - Page 123

grade · 02-20-2021, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shu4040

IMO there’s a huge difference in trading volume with some high turnover vs true sales volume like on eBay

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It is more similar than different. But the old platforms(ebay) just takes longer for each "cycle". Many buyers on ebay buy and sell using funds in paypal from items sold to buy again on ebay.

$17millions in sales last 24 hours. This will only get bigger and bigger.

Not advice to join. Just my opinion being involved on both platforms. Same difference, just TS is 100x faster .

GeechQuest · 02-20-2021, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shu4040

IMO there’s a huge difference in trading volume with some high turnover vs true sales volume like on eBay

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Well the true sales on eBay could also just be trading volume as well. I sell 2 Zion card for $1K and buy a Lebron for $1K. That’s $2K sales but $1K cash.

Is there a way to see the differential of “new” vs “recycled” money on NBATS? Can anybody tell how much money is held in Dapper accounts?

To date TS is at $112M in sales. Ken Goldin is projecting $200M for the year through his auction house. The money is flowing through TS right now, even as the Hobby goes through the biggest boom in its 100 year history.

I’ve laid out why I think TS is lame, but there’s no denying that financially they are destroying the Hobby right now and it’s not even close.

WhacksPacks · 02-20-2021, 10:06 AM

Thursday I sold a Luka for $49.
So I set my other one at a stupid price no one would pay.
Wrong. Sold last night. Initial $18 investment is now $7,140 in Dapper dolla billz. With another 4.5k in inventory currently including Lebron /7500. I had that one listed for $2323.00 but took it down bc I’m afraid it might actually sell for that
This is the weirdest ride I’ve been in in a long time.

mjohnatgt · 02-20-2021, 10:42 AM

Pack 17 with 5,000 available still just sitting there. No release time yet. 5K packs is not even a blip. But free cash to whoever wins the lottery.

mrmike79 · 02-20-2021, 11:07 AM

Anyone else HODLing sealed wax, might be dumb but viewing this the same as physical cardboard products.

The unknown always sells for more than the known. Now we just gotta wait for them to enable selling packs on the marketplace.

shu4040 · 02-20-2021, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Well the true sales on eBay could also just be trading volume as well. I sell 2 Zion card for $1K and buy a Lebron for $1K. That’s $2K sales but $1K cash.

Is there a way to see the differential of “new” vs “recycled” money on NBATS? Can anybody tell how much money is held in Dapper accounts?

To date TS is at $112M in sales. Ken Goldin is projecting $200M for the year through his auction house. The money is flowing through TS right now, even as the Hobby goes through the biggest boom in its 100 year history.

I’ve laid out why I think TS is lame, but there’s no denying that financially they are destroying the Hobby right now and it’s not even close.

I’m not anti TS just saying it’s not quite comparing apples to apples.

The daily trading volume on the Nasdaq appears about equal to the annual total merchandise sold by Amazon. Just two different metrics

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tgblackw · 02-20-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmike79

Anyone else HODLing sealed wax, might be dumb but viewing this the same as physical cardboard products.

The unknown always sells for more than the known. Now we just gotta wait for them to enable selling packs on the marketplace.

Are you able to gift a pack so that you can sell off market?

BaseGravenberch · 02-20-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahomie

The NBA definitely has older footage in its archive that isn't readily available to the general public online. It's possible that they could make use of that material for TS.

Basically all depends on the the player. If the NBPA has the image rights, Top Shot can use it.

Asian62150 · 02-20-2021, 11:48 AM

Imagine them releasing:

-Any MJ highlight
-Any Kobe highlight
-Any Vince Carter dunk from 2000
-Iverson practice rant
-Sheed "Both Teams Played Hard"
-J Will elbow pass to Raef

What could be...

brothertona · 02-20-2021, 11:50 AM

I mean they said in their office hours that March is the timeline to have readily available packs, it's either going to go nuclear or fall apart.

mrmike79 · 02-20-2021, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tgblackw

Are you able to gift a pack so that you can sell off market?

Not sure, about that. I know you can gift moments but that would require you trust the seller to open the pack and send you the correct cards. Or have them livestream your pack opening.

brothertona · 02-20-2021, 11:55 AM

I do wonder how MJ's likeness is held, I believe he own's his rights not the NBA so they'd have to come to an agreement with MJ. Kobe, I'd assume they wouldn't have to but they'd likely ask Vanessa for permission. VC is fair game, Iverson is fair game, J-Will is fair game.

rifleman69 · 02-20-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

I do wonder how MJ's likeness is held, I believe he own's his rights not the NBA so they'd have to come to an agreement with MJ. Kobe, I'd assume they wouldn't have to but they'd likely ask Vanessa for permission. VC is fair game, Iverson is fair game, J-Will is fair game.

Upper Deck has Jordan's rights still, so if he's included in TopShot...UD is also getting a cut.

brothertona · 02-20-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rifleman69

Upper Deck has Jordan's rights still, so if he's included in TopShot...UD is also getting a cut.

UD owns his card rights, MJ owns his likeness

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rifleman69 · 02-20-2021, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

UD owns his card rights, MJ owns his likeness

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Yes, but not in an NBA uniform....UD would still be getting a cut if he was included (and Panini would definitely raise a stink).

brothertona · 02-20-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rifleman69

Yes, but not in an NBA uniform....UD would still be getting a cut if he was included (and Panini would definitely raise a stink).

I assume Panini if they were smart would bridge a collaboration with Top Shot, or potentially already have so that would likely not be in the cards.

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shaner1 · 02-20-2021, 12:31 PM

Just bought my first Moment! Gonna just try it out for a bit and see what the hype is all about.

How difficult is it to buy packs when they’re dropped?

psochaps · 02-20-2021, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shaner1

Just bought my first Moment! Gonna just try it out for a bit and see what the hype is all about.

How difficult is it to buy packs when they’re dropped?

Impossible 😆.
I’ve bought one $9 pack. I haven’t purchased any moments. I’m low low end on the dapper balance with $421...

discodanman45 · 02-20-2021, 01:01 PM

My advice right now is to get money out of all Series 2. Market is over the insane hype and prices are likely where they will be. The risks I would take on series 2 now are the borderline all star selections like Sabonis, Middleton, Randle, VanVleet, etc... This could be a short term boom.

IMO there is a real steal out there. There is a certain NBA All-Star that has a combined 5297 LE's for his cards and you can get one for $500. I wish I had more funds to get another one. Until more packs come out putting your dapper money into series 1 is the way to go!

brock · 02-20-2021, 01:01 PM

$17M of marketplace volume in one day is crazy. I'm a noted skeptic... but that is a HUGE number.

Grade - how do I check the value of my portfolio based on lowest ask? You used to post those screenshots constantly, but I haven't figured out how to do that.

GeechQuest · 02-20-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brock

$17M of marketplace volume in one day is crazy. I'm a noted skeptic... but that is a HUGE number.

Grade - how do I check the value of my portfolio based on lowest ask? You used to post those screenshots constantly, but I haven't figured out how to do that.

https://evaluate.market/

This is the best tool I’ve found for data.

yiguiri2002 · 02-20-2021, 01:12 PM

What do you guys think the market cap currently is? Has it hit 1T?

GeechQuest · 02-20-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

What do you guys think the market cap currently is? Has it hit 1T?

The Top 25 users have a market cap of ~$167M and own ~195K moments.

Obviously not a market cap but fun data.

Vinny1984 · 02-20-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shaner1

Just bought my first Moment! Gonna just try it out for a bit and see what the hype is all about.

How difficult is it to buy packs when they’re dropped?

With this next drop of 5000 packs, your odds are probably lower than 5% at this point. But I will stress that everyone has an equal chance at a pack. It’s not first come first serve. My guess is the average $9 pack will bring back at least $500. Some will be absolute duds and some will be loaded.

Good luck all.

BaseGravenberch · 02-20-2021, 01:31 PM

https://twitter.com/TyHaliburton22/s...102225422?s=19 Players taking notice. Remind you Topshots marketing is on hold.

02-20-2021, 10:06 AM	#3053
WhacksPacks Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5,225 WhacksPacks	Thursday I sold a Luka for $49. So I set my other one at a stupid price no one would pay. Wrong. Sold last night. Initial $18 investment is now $7,140 in Dapper dolla billz. With another 4.5k in inventory currently including Lebron /7500. I had that one listed for $2323.00 but took it down bc I’m afraid it might actually sell for that This is the weirdest ride I’ve been in in a long time. __________________ Buy what you like. Hold on to what you love.

02-20-2021, 11:07 AM	#3055
mrmike79 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,525	Anyone else HODLing sealed wax, might be dumb but viewing this the same as physical cardboard products. The unknown always sells for more than the known. Now we just gotta wait for them to enable selling packs on the marketplace. __________________ Collecting: TUA TAGOVAILOA http://s1191.photobucket.com/albums/z476/mrmike_13/

02-20-2021, 11:48 AM	#3059
Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,265 Asian62150	Imagine them releasing: -Any MJ highlight -Any Kobe highlight -Any Vince Carter dunk from 2000 -Iverson practice rant -Sheed "Both Teams Played Hard" -J Will elbow pass to Raef What could be... __________________ IG: Asian62150

02-20-2021, 12:31 PM	#3067
shaner1 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FL Posts: 3,427 sher9475	Just bought my first Moment! Gonna just try it out for a bit and see what the hype is all about. How difficult is it to buy packs when they’re dropped? __________________ Minnesota Timberwolves, Twins, and Vikings!

02-20-2021, 01:01 PM	#3069
discodanman45 Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: CA Posts: 9,650 danch27	My advice right now is to get money out of all Series 2. Market is over the insane hype and prices are likely where they will be. The risks I would take on series 2 now are the borderline all star selections like Sabonis, Middleton, Randle, VanVleet, etc... This could be a short term boom. IMO there is a real steal out there. There is a certain NBA All-Star that has a combined 5297 LE's for his cards and you can get one for $500. I wish I had more funds to get another one. Until more packs come out putting your dapper money into series 1 is the way to go! __________________ Updating my entire collection on Card Ladder. Lots to go... https://www.cardladder.com/showcase/IOBB7AY2qTVVKSgU9Aqj02kfF4I3

02-20-2021, 10:42 AM	#3054
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,580 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Pack 17 with 5,000 available still just sitting there. No release time yet. 5K packs is not even a blip. But free cash to whoever wins the lottery.

02-20-2021, 11:50 AM	#3060
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	I mean they said in their office hours that March is the timeline to have readily available packs, it's either going to go nuclear or fall apart.

02-20-2021, 11:55 AM	#3062
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,940 brothertona1	I do wonder how MJ's likeness is held, I believe he own's his rights not the NBA so they'd have to come to an agreement with MJ. Kobe, I'd assume they wouldn't have to but they'd likely ask Vanessa for permission. VC is fair game, Iverson is fair game, J-Will is fair game.

02-20-2021, 01:01 PM	#3070
brock Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 888 showman513	$17M of marketplace volume in one day is crazy. I'm a noted skeptic... but that is a HUGE number. Grade - how do I check the value of my portfolio based on lowest ask? You used to post those screenshots constantly, but I haven't figured out how to do that.

02-20-2021, 01:12 PM	#3072
yiguiri2002 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 12,349 afigueroaquevedo2002 yiguiri2002	What do you guys think the market cap currently is? Has it hit 1T? __________________ Basketball Sets: Threads Century Greats Jerseys - Innovation Stat Line Jerseys Soccer Sets: 2018 World Cup Prizm Peru Parallels - 2015 Select Soccer Peru Parallels Players: Red Bulls Parallels, 17-18 Thibs Prizms, Soccer Legends Autos

02-20-2021, 01:31 PM	#3075
BaseGravenberch Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 54	https://twitter.com/TyHaliburton22/s...102225422?s=19 Players taking notice. Remind you Topshots marketing is on hold.