50 games in - who is your rookie of the year?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I agree. Embiid hasn't been as awesome the last 10-14 days.

It's not just that Embiid hasn't been awesome, Simmons has changed a gear and been taking over.

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I'd say there's a strong argument that Simmons has been the best player for Philly the last couple of weeks.

He's really taking over games, his efficiency is remarkable, low turnovers and doesn't take bad shots and there's a couple of guys hanging him for that, wow.

Mitchell is awesome, I think he'd be doing this on any team, he does have a nice group of seasoned pros around him that do help him flourish.

I still wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell gets it because the NBA has done this thing before. Robbed the absolute favorite so Vegas can get some $$$ back.

this...i would much rather he NOT shoot 3s or even long jumpers knowing he doesnt have that skill rather then him chuck up 3-4 threes per game at a 20% clip...how is this a bad thing?? Lately Mitchell has been struggling shooting and he is just ramping up his 3pt attempts...has had many games with like 8+ 3pt attempts and shooting like 30% on them...thats not very good...wouldnt you rather see him not just settle for the three and maybe try to drive and get to the rim or draw a foul where he is a 85+% FT shooter...

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Seriously.... those of you arguing for Simmons.... I get all the points you're making.

But please, for the love of all that is good, stop using FG%. FG% is a dinosaur. No one cares about FG%. Use True shooting % or EFG%. Those mean something. They tell a picture. Telling me how great someone's FG% literally tells me almost nothing about how good of an offensive player they are.

As of this moment, Simmons True Shooting % is better than Mitchell by 0.8%. Just as an FYI. So he is more efficient than Mitchell.

Because I don't know these off of the top of my head, let's compare the advanced analytics of these two so we can see if one or the other is in front



I like both of these guys, but yikes, according to the advanced analytics it's Simmons and it's not as close as I thought

I know advanced analytics don't tell the whole story, but be careful if you try to use them to argue Mitchell over Simmons.


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[the27guy]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

It's not just that Embiid hasn't been awesome, Simmons has changed a gear and been taking over.

I know you watch him closer than I do. I've likely just looked at the wrong boxscores. It seems like every time I look, I see a 13 point, 7 rebound and 7 assist game. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Because I don't know these off of the top of my head, let's compare the advanced analytics of these two so we can see if one or the other is in front



I like both of these guys, but yikes, according to the advanced analytics it's Simmons and it's not as close as I thought

I know advanced analytics don't tell the whole story, but be careful if you try to use them to argue Mitchell over Simmons.


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Yeah, i'm not. It would be flabbergasting if a guy who has Mitchell's usage would be in the lead on the majority of these.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Yeah, i'm not. It would be flabbergasting if a guy who has Mitchell's usage would be in the lead on the majority of these.

Or how about any of them?

I don't have the figures with me but I have to imagine there is a strong correlation between higher usage (which Mitchell has) and things like Win Shares and box plus minus.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Daeve you MUST tell us, who did Simmons sleep with that makes.you try so hard to put him down?

Man, Rondo and Odom have no place here any more. You just look foolish.

I was curious if Daeve has always been a hater so I did some digging and I found this gem.

Context was discussion whether Ingram should be the #1 pick or not.

You can have slightly-taller-Evan-Turner.

in reference to Simmons

or this hilarious one

If you're only watching his highlights you're missing out on just how bad he is at putting the ball in the hoop.

I guess shooting almost 60% from the field is bad at putting the ball in the hoop

There are so many more this is hilariously entertaining. I'm telling you Ben Simmons must've kicked his dog or something

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Yeah, i'm not. It would be flabbergasting if a guy who has Mitchell's usage would be in the lead on the majority of these.

when it comes to the bottom 4 on that list arent like all the league leaders huge-usage guys??

i feel like its just another way of you justifying why Simmons is ahead...maybe simmons is ahead cuz he is just much better all around and Mitchell is much better scorer/shooter

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I was curious if Daeve has always been a hater so I did some digging and I found this gem.

Context was discussion whether Ingram should be the #1 pick or not.



or this hilarious one



I guess shooting almost 60% from the field is bad at putting the ball in the hoop

There are so many more this is hilariously entertaining. I'm telling you Ben Simmons must've kicked his dog or something

Oh dear.

When someone tries that hard, they've been hurt emotionally.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Because I don't know these off of the top of my head, let's compare the advanced analytics of these two so we can see if one or the other is in front



I like both of these guys, but yikes, according to the advanced analytics it's Simmons and it's not as close as I thought

I know advanced analytics don't tell the whole story, but be careful if you try to use them to argue Mitchell over Simmons.


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But surely there's some way we can warp the numbers so that DM is the clear favorite?

Or is the best argument that Simmons doesn't shoot outside 8 feet?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

But surely there's some way we can warp the numbers so that DM is the clear favorite?

Or is the best argument that Simmons doesn't shoot outside 8 feet?

It is what it is. The advanced analytics say Simmons st the moment.

Doesn't mean they are the only thing that matters or that Mitchell isn't having a great rookie year, BC he is, just that the advanced analytics favor Simmons.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It is what it is. The advanced analytics say Simmons st the moment.

Doesn't mean they are the only thing that matters or that Mitchell isn't having a great rookie year, BC he is, just that the advanced analytics favor Simmons.

^^^^This is basically how I feel in a nutshell. And by the way, I don't think I've said in the last week or so who I'd vote for. It seems that while most of you have made up your minds that the answer is Simmons, I'm just living in a spot where I haven't made up my mind.

I don't think anyone responded to my mention of Westbrook vs Harden earlier. That, to me, is pretty similar to what we have here. Last year, I voted Harden the whole year, but at the end of the season, the big performances in the 4th quarter won me over.

I think that's what happened to Donovan. Look back at this thread at the times when people suddenly went gaga for Donovan.... there will be a very high correlation with those times and games when he took over in a very special way, either scoring in the 30's (twice in the 40s) or took over the 4th quarter. Those performances mean something.

Will they mean enough to earn him the ROY? I doubt it. It'll take a lot. Philly is surging, and even though the Jazz have gone absolutely bonkers, winning 15 of 17, they're still on the outside looking in.

The way the other teams are playing in the west, it's going to take 48 wins to get in the playoffs. People will look at the Sixers (who will possibly end in third) and the Jazz and where they land in the standings, and they'll judge a lot off of that. Which is really too bad. Third and tenth in the west is going to be separated by a few games, and by a lot more than that in the East.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by the27guy

^^^^This is basically how I feel in a nutshell. And by the way, I don't think I've said in the last week or so who I'd vote for. It seems that while most of you have made up your minds that the answer is Simmons, I'm just living in a spot where I haven't made up my mind.

I don't think anyone responded to my mention of Westbrook vs Harden earlier. That, to me, is pretty similar to what we have here. Last year, I voted Harden the whole year, but at the end of the season, the big performances in the 4th quarter won me over.

I think that's what happened to Donovan. Look back at this thread at the times when people suddenly went gaga for Donovan.... there will be a very high correlation with those times and games when he took over in a very special way, either scoring in the 30's (twice in the 40s) or took over the 4th quarter. Those performances mean something.

Will they mean enough to earn him the ROY? I doubt it. It'll take a lot. Philly is surging, and even though the Jazz have gone absolutely bonkers, winning 15 of 17, they're still on the outside looking in.

The way the other teams are playing in the west, it's going to take 48 wins to get in the playoffs. People will look at the Sixers (who will possibly end in third) and the Jazz and where they land in the standings, and they'll judge a lot off of that. Which is really too bad. Third and tenth in the west is going to be separated by a few games, and by a lot more than that in the East.

It's just crazy to me that basically all but the top 2 spots are up for grabs in both conferences.

It's been a fantastic year for the NBA outside of the tankathon at the bottom. There is so much fantastic young talent and the league is in a great spot right now. It's crazy that even though the Cavs are my hometown team I've definitely watched them the least.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's just crazy to me that basically all but the top 2 spots are up for grabs in both conferences.

It's been a fantastic year for the NBA outside of the tankathon at the bottom. There is so much fantastic young talent and the league is in a great spot right now.

Couldn't agree more.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Oh dear.

When someone tries that hard, they've been hurt emotionally.

4-5 posters all hounding me on the same issue and checking my post history for more ammo and I'm the one "trying hard". lol.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by daeve

4-5 posters all hounding me on the same issue and checking my post history for more ammo and I'm the one "trying hard". lol.

Nobody is hounding you, we're just replying to your one-eyed views and trying to work out the motive.

I also never checked your post history.

You keep trying though little buddy, what's next, Gary Harris has more upside over Simmons?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by daeve

4-5 posters all hounding me on the same issue and checking my post history for more ammo and I'm the one "trying hard". lol.

People are rightfully calling you out on your blind hate and using your post history to back it up. If you were actually backing up your opinions with some sort of stats or logical argument then ok but you're just making ridiculous comparisons (taller Evan Turner LOLOL) and pointless nonsense to try and tear down Simmons for apparently no reason.

Why do you hate the guy so much?

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Nobody is hounding you, we're just replying to your one-eyed views and trying to work out the motive.

I also never checked your post history.

You keep trying though little buddy, what's next, Gary Harris has more upside over Simmons?

Did you see the thing on ESPN today about Gary Harris being the next Kawhi?

Now there's a comp that I NEVER saw.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Did you see the thing on ESPN today about Gary Harris being the next Kawhi?

Now there's a comp that I NEVER saw.

I didn't, but I love his game.

I'm not huge on the "next whoever" calls but I'm intrigued by that comparison.

I like DEN as an entire group.

[BlueXtreme]

Not at all related to the Simmons vs Mitchell debate for ROY. But to show how important scoring is specific to the Jazz team, they’re 11-2 when mitchell scores 16+PPG during the current stretch. Or at least that’s what the tv analyst said.

[jj2]

Tough to find any betting market or ranking that has Mitchell over Simmons at the moment.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by jj2

Tough to find any betting market or ranking that has Mitchell over Simmons at the moment.

What are the odds right now?

[thepinoymamba]

Simmons got this locked in his house already

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[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Not at all related to the Simmons vs Mitchell debate for ROY. But to show how important scoring is specific to the Jazz team, they’re 11-2 when mitchell scores 16+PPG during the current stretch. Or at least that’s what the tv analyst said.

so they win even when he scores 3-4 under his season average?? what a weird thing to say(not you...the analyst)..

"the 76ers are 8-2 during this hot stretch when Ben Simmons scores at least 12 points"....um what?? lol...makes no sense...usually when you point something out like that it would be a number above the average of that player...

Utah is 11-2 when D.Mitchell has 2+ assists ....thats not how those stat type comments are supposed to work...haha

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Not at all related to the Simmons vs Mitchell debate for ROY. But to show how important scoring is specific to the Jazz team, they’re 11-2 when mitchell scores 16+PPG during the current stretch. Or at least that’s what the tv analyst said.

Not sure what Boler and harpring said...

But the jazz are 15-2 in their last 17 games. So, any stat you look at over the last stretch is going to look good.