Patrick Mahomes Prices

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by bills4life

Would have liked our chances with a 4 point lead and somewhere between 50 seconds and 1:20 left to play, with KC having 1 time out at best because even with how the Bills defense was playing, a TD would have been a MUCH bigger ask than a field goal in that scenario.

To your point, that should have been the play. I am not sure if it was McDermott/Brady getting lost in the moment so much as Allen though because on 2nd and 9 the underneath play was there to be made, but they got greedy for sure. And the funny part about it is, they were doing a great job of eating clock until that point of the drive, even without a run game to lean on.

Also, since someone else brought this up, I agree that KC missed an opportunity by not falling on the Bills fumble earlier in that drive, however, fumbles are all 50/50 anyway and Kincaid made a great play to prevent KC from recovering. As far as the “almost” interception though. I don’t know about that one. It wasn’t as close as it looked on the replay. McDuffie got one arm on the ball. Looked like a break up more than anything else.

Anyway, I remember when we got down to the KC 25, first and 10, I text my best friend (Raiders fan) “this feels too good to be true” and he agreed. It all went down hill from there.

Ah… the life of a Bills fan. We are always right there with you, and have proven fully capable of beating KC, but not when it matters most. The Lb injuries were devastating and the reason I thought we would lose that game beforehand. Will be interesting to see how the Chiefs look vs an elite defense next week. It’ll definitely be tougher sledding than Bills injury depleted defense, but it remains to be seen if Lamar and co can move as effectively vs your great defense as Allen and the Bills did (through 3 quarters anyway). Good luck.

as far as the interception I thought sneed had a better chance at it.....he was standing behind McDuffie and if McDuffie doesn't deflect it.....he is right there waiting

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

A pretty interesting question was tabled on one of the sports talk shows up here in WNY yesterday....

Would you rather:
1. Be heartbroken cause "we" got so close and Bass missed the kick
OR
2. Bass makes the kick and be heart broken cause Mahomes charges down the field with more than enough time and they get a game winning field goal with no time remaining...

I feel like 2 was gonna happen even if Bass made the kick, worst case scenario it goes to OT and KC does it there...

That's why it was such a huge mistake to not be more aggressive going for a TD over a FG. And that means actually trying to get first downs to get closer to a TD as opposed to taking shots at the end zone because you have the FG attempt to fall back to.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by bills4life

Would have liked our chances with a 4 point lead and somewhere between 50 seconds and 1:20 left to play, with KC having 1 time out at best because even with how the Bills defense was playing, a TD would have been a MUCH bigger ask than a field goal in that scenario.

To your point, that should have been the play. I am not sure if it was McDermott/Brady getting lost in the moment so much as Allen though because on 2nd and 9 the underneath play was there to be made, but they got greedy for sure. And the funny part about it is, they were doing a great job of eating clock until that point of the drive, even without a run game to lean on.

Also, since someone else brought this up, I agree that KC missed an opportunity by not falling on the Bills fumble earlier in that drive, however, fumbles are all 50/50 anyway and Kincaid made a great play to prevent KC from recovering. As far as the “almost” interception though. I don’t know about that one. It wasn’t as close as it looked on the replay. McDuffie got one arm on the ball. Looked like a break up more than anything else.

Anyway, I remember when we got down to the KC 25, first and 10, I text my best friend (Raiders fan) “this feels too good to be true” and he agreed. It all went down hill from there.

Ah… the life of a Bills fan. We are always right there with you, and have proven fully capable of beating KC, but not when it matters most. The Lb injuries were devastating and the reason I thought we would lose that game beforehand. Will be interesting to see how the Chiefs look vs an elite defense next week. It’ll definitely be tougher sledding than Bills injury depleted defense, but it remains to be seen if Lamar and co can move as effectively vs your great defense as Allen and the Bills did (through 3 quarters anyway). Good luck.

Yeah, the Mcduffie INT would have been tough, the easier one would have been if Mcduffie didn't touch the ball and Sneed was waiting right there.

Everyone wants to talk about the Bills defense missing, what, 3 starters, 2 of which hadn't played since September. But the Chiefs were down 3 starters as well, in Gay, Nnadi, and Mike Edwards. Or Brian Cook if you prefer, which also meant they were starting a 3rd string free safety.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by kcroyalsfan8515

some football porn

https://youtu.be/QoNpgr45qyI?si=vX-K02zd1VEQE4ti

I appreciate this, that was fun to watch!

[pejc300]

No one in the playoff thread giving the Chiefs a chance. It's all Ravens everywhere.

I think this bodes well for us. I've seen way too many "this team can't be beat" upsets in my life. Mahomes is HUNGRY.

I believe Lamar will shrink at the first moment of adversity and resort to what he's been most of his career. He will be rattled if we can get a fumble or INT early.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Everyone wants to talk about the Bills defense missing, what, 3 starters, 2 of which hadn't played since September. But the Chiefs were down 3 starters as well, in Gay, Nnadi, and Mike Edwards. Or Brian Cook if you prefer, which also meant they were starting a 3rd string free safety.

It's more in the context of what Mahomes was up against. Both teams had washed out defenses out there

[bills4life]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yeah, the Mcduffie INT would have been tough, the easier one would have been if Mcduffie didn't touch the ball and Sneed was waiting right there.

Everyone wants to talk about the Bills defense missing, what, 3 starters, 2 of which hadn't played since September. But the Chiefs were down 3 starters as well, in Gay, Nnadi, and Mike Edwards. Or Brian Cook if you prefer, which also meant they were starting a 3rd string free safety.

Here is a breakdown of missing starters on D:

CB Tre White (replaced by Rasul Douglas, who played hurt and looked incredibly slow all game. It is currently being debated whether we would have been better off just playing Kaiir Elam, who had a huge interception in the end zone last week and actually picked off Mahomes in the end zone last season too. Might have been a smarter play than “forcing” Douglas out there.

CB Christian Benford - Very solid corner. Won the starting CB2 spot two years in a row over draft classmate Kaiir Elam (a first round pick) despite Benford being a 6th rounder. He and Rasul Douglas were playing at a very high level together until the injuries hit in Week 17.

Starting LB Matt Milano - Best player on defense.

Starting LB Terrell Bernard - Excellent coverage LB like Milano. On a side note, I would LOVE to see he and Milano healthy at the same time in the playoffs next year (if we make it)

LB Baylon Spector - He is on this list because he would have been starting over Klein if he was available. In other words, Klein was a backup of a backup)

CB Rasul Douglas - Ok I know he played. But there are times when putting an injured player in the game is more costly than having an injured player on the bench, and this was one of them. Douglas was playing at a Pro Bowl level for the Bills prior to his injury. On Sunday, it was clear that he had no business being out there. I know the whole “everyone is dealing with something by the end of the year” but this is different. The guy couldn’t run; he couldn’t keep up on a secondary that is already slow to begin with.

Now, let’s talk about AJ Klein, the weakest link on the entire field, hands down. Klein was starting because Bernard and Spector were both hurt.

He was not on the team 2 weeks ago; he was about to go on vacation in South Beach with his family! So yes you have backups, we have backups, but I would argue it is a little different when a journeyman LB Is fresh off the couch, onto the Bills practice squad in case of emergency , and within a week, that emergency situation actually transpires and the guy is calling the defense!!

Now, if you are the other team, you are salivating at the opportunity to exploit that mismatch and that is EXACTLY what KC did! They knew it, they planned for it, and it was executed beautifully. Klein was chasing around Kelce all day long, left in the dust by a TE that - despite still being great - is not what he once was.

I read somewhere that KC had more explosive plays against Buffalo than it’s had all season? Yards per play as well? I mean any time that happens, give credit where it is due to the QB, sure, but it would be naive to think the defense wasn’t a major contributor either.

On the flip side, Buffalo had one of the biggest offensive outputs against KC’s defense all year. 24 points scored was the 2nd most anyone had scored on the defense all year; that is just incredible to me. The Bills also ran for more yards than anyone had all year. 3rd down conversions were at 50%, when I think KC only allowed something like 35% on the season?

[jplarson]

LOL the Purdy troll thinking he can have big boy discussions after 4 months of non-stop trolling, including in this thread.

[Rabs]

What a game!




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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jplarson

LOL the Purdy troll thinking he can have big boy discussions after 4 months of non-stop trolling, including in this thread.

At the end of the day the Bills had the same starting defense that won them 6 straight games, minus Terrell Bernard. If you want to call the 3rd CB Christian Benford a top 12 starter, than fine.

It doesn't change the fact that the Chiefs were missing a starting DT, Linebacker (who was the spy on Allen), and 2 Free Safeties.

Beyond that, if you are a Baylon Spector away from winning a Super Bowl, well then I guess it was just a matter of the Chiefs offense being able to exploit holes in a defense and the Bills not being able to. If you can't score on Neil Ferrell, Leo Chanel, Deon Bush, and Chamarri Connor, then who can you score on?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Beyond that, if you are a Baylon Spector away from winning a Super Bowl, well then I guess it was just a matter of the Chiefs offense being able to exploit holes in a defense and the Bills not being able to. If you can't score on Neil Ferrell, Leo Chanel, Deon Bush, and Chamarri Connor, then who can you score on?

No doubt. I'm interested to see the real test for Mahomes next week on the road and against a much more competent D

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by BBases31

No doubt. I'm interested to see the real test for Mahomes next week on the road and against a much more competent D

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I typed that from outside

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by BBases31

No doubt. I'm interested to see the real test for Mahomes next week on the road and against a much more competent D

The real test? as if Mahomes hasn't already had more comebacks in the playoffs than you have fingers. One game against maybe one of the most stacked teams ever isn't necessary for Mahomes to win to be the best football player ever.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by tjforce

At the end of the day the Bills had the same starting defense that won them 6 straight games, minus Terrell Bernard. If you want to call the 3rd CB Christian Benford a top 12 starter, than fine.

I haven't and I refuse to do so.

Originally Posted by tjforce

It doesn't change the fact that the Chiefs were missing a starting DT, Linebacker (who was the spy on Allen), and 2 Free Safeties.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by tjforce

Beyond that, if you are a Baylon Spector away from winning a Super Bowl

Isn't everyone a Baylon Spector away from a winning a Super Bowl?

Originally Posted by tjforce

If you can't score on Neil Ferrell, Leo Chanel, Deon Bush, and Chamarri Connor, then who can you score on?

Certainly not my first college romance!

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jplarson

I haven't and I refuse to do so.



Agreed.



Isn't everyone a Baylon Spector away from a winning a Super Bowl?



Certainly not my first college romance!

Haha. It was a blanket response to a few comments, but I just quoted you because you seem like one of the more reasonable people around here, although Bills4life fits that criteria too

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

The real test? as if Mahomes hasn't already had more comebacks in the playoffs than you have fingers.

A test of Mahomes coming off the worst season of his career, yes. Is the Mahomes of the previous years still in there despite the down season? Probably but that's why I say this a test. Not a test of his legacy but a test of how far off peak Mahomes, if at all, he really is

One game against maybe one of the most stacked teams ever isn't necessary for Mahomes to win to be the best football player ever.

*One of

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Haha. It was a blanket response to a few comments, but I just quoted you because you seem like one of the more reasonable people around here, although Bills4life fits that criteria too

How dare you suggest I'm reasonable! Haven't you read all my Justin Fields takes from last year and most of this year? My cesspool opinions haven't risen to the level of pond scum yet because the Bears are bottom feeders. Just you wait until they're good again .

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by jplarson

How dare you suggest I'm reasonable! Haven't you read all my Justin Fields takes from last year and most of this year? My cesspool opinions haven't risen to the level of pond scum yet because the Bears are bottom feeders. Just you wait until they're good again .

None of us may be around at that point.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

None of us may be around at that point.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jplarson

How dare you suggest I'm reasonable! Haven't you read all my Justin Fields takes from last year and most of this year? My cesspool opinions haven't risen to the level of pond scum yet because the Bears are bottom feeders. Just you wait until they're good again .

Wrong takes can still be reasonable takes.

Heck, I thought Skyy Moore would be a serviceable player.

But believe delusional and creating separate standards for players you don't like is just child's player.

"Mahomes flaw is he can't win a playoff game on the road (because he hasn't had a chance to yet so you can't prove me wrong!" Pfft.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Rabs

What a game!

MVP!! MVP!! MVP!!

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by BBases31

A test of Mahomes coming off the worst season of his career, yes. Is the Mahomes of the previous years still in there despite the down season? Probably but that's why I say this a test. Not a test of his legacy but a test of how far off peak Mahomes, if at all, he really is



*One of

He hasn't even begun to peak. And when he does peak, you'll know. Because he's gonna peak so hard that everyone in Philadelphia's gonna feel it.

(He's 28 and just hitting the start of his "prime")

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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by TSonn

He hasn't even begun to peak. And when he does peak, you'll know. Because he's gonna peak so hard that everyone in Philadelphia's gonna feel it.

(He's 28 and just hitting the start of his "prime")

He had the worst season of his career by far. You better hope this is not the start of a decline

[SleeperCards]

Can we be done responding to the troll for the day? I doubt he gets the IASIP reference anyway.