2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I bring that up because Trump, himself, has been obsessed with that fact for four years. For years he's been saying that "millions" of people voted illegally for Clinton, despite evidence to the contrary. His suppressing votes is a continuation of said obsession.



He hates to lose.



Honest question - do supporters not pay any attention to what he says, ever? Or is it one of those things, "oh, that's just Donald being Donald"?

Trump absolutely hates to lose. And as an American who loves his country he hates when America loses which is the driving force behind almost all of his actions. This tenacity is also why he is one of the most successful businessmen in America. And also a reason why many voted for him. I don't see "hating to lose" as being a bad quality.

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[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Purposely suppressing the vote is about as anti American as it gets.

Everyone will still be able to walk in and vote. It is "essential" and accommodations should be made so it is as safe as going to the grocery store or any other essential business. I personally will not trust my vote to go through the mail and get counted, so I will absolutely vote in person.

Which of these other options suppresses the vote?

1) Absentee mail-in ballots
2) Request a mail-in ballot for any reason
3) Sending a mail-in ballot to every American

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Yep, so how could I have kept my job if Biden was President? Was he not going to shut down? Hardly.

I'm just talking about it being something you would build a campaign around. Seems like a smart play to do such a thing. Seems like a winning issue to me, since the majority have it as their #1 issue.

For the record, you didn't keep your job with Trump as President, living in one of the most red states in the Union.

Not a knock on the President or you, just showing you why it's going to be, and has been the #1 issue this election cycle.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Just put on your ppe and march right down to your local polling place which will be following social distancing guidelines to a T and exercise your right to vote. Problem solved.

Trump wants actual humans to fill out an actual ballot and have every single one counted. That includes all party ballots. If Democrats are so sure he will lose based on actual voting then they should have no problem with this either. I wonder why Democrats are so adamant about half the country being able to vote by mail??

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That's part of the problem, though. Numerous polling stations have been closed down - over 1600 - leading to extremely long lines where social distancing guidelines can't realistically be followed. It's no coincidence that most of these polling places have been shut down in poorer neighborhoods whose residents have difficulty traveling to polling places farther away. It's also no coincidence that in many of these areas the residents tend to vote Democrat.

https://civilrights.org/democracy-diverted/

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Trump absolutely hates to lose. And as an American who loves his country he hates when America loses which is the driving force behind almost all of his actions. This tenacity is also why he is one of the most successful businessmen in America. And also a reason why many voted for him. I don't see "hating to lose" as being a bad quality.

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Hating to lose isn't a bad quality, unless it leads to constantly lying about why you lost, or lying that you didn't lose at all.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I'm just talking about it being something you would build a campaign around. Seems like a smart play to do such a thing. Seems like a winning issue to me, since the majority have it as their #1 issue.

For the record, you didn't keep your job with Trump as President, living in one of the most red states in the Union.

Not a knock on the President or you, just showing you why it's going to be, and has been the #1 issue this election cycle.

That's the thing though, he's going to somehow use economy AND deaths against him. You can't have it both ways. I think it's a losing formula for him. Now, talk about plans to reopen... then we'll talk.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

That's the thing though, he's going to somehow use economy AND deaths against him. You can't have it both ways. I think it's a losing formula for him. Now, talk about plans to reopen... then we'll talk.

.....Biden already asking for nationwide masks. He ain't planning to open anything up(from his basement)

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

My beliefs are mine.
I will say this - I respectfully disagree with all you posted.

Russian Collusion - Read the Mueller Report and NOT the 4 pager from Barr
Fine People - Do we need to go and pull the exact quote - again?????
FBI was investigating Flynn before Trump took office - Flynn lied (spin it how you want to, he lied twice)

If any of these things were done by a D - you would be screaming and calling them a traitor.......

Apparently alot of people need to read the entire "Fine People" quote again. It was debunked many times. Even Jake Tapper admitted that it was a hoax. It will be interesting to see if Tapper calls out Biden and Harris for rolling the hoax back out.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...arlottesville/

CNN anchor Jake Tapper admitted Friday that President Donald Trump did not refer to neo-Nazis or white supremacists as “very fine people” in his remarks about the Charlottesville, Virginia, riots in 2017.

The admission came as Tapper and his CNN panel discussed former vice president Joe Biden’s campaign launch video, released Thursday, in which Biden explicitly claimed that Trump had referred to the neo-Nazis as “very fine people.”

Tapper played a clip of Trump’s remarks — though not the portion in which Trump made it clear to reporters that he was ” not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.”

Instead, Tapper described that portion of the press conference: “Now, elsewhere in those remarks, Trump did condemn neo-Nazis and white supremacists. So he’s not saying that the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are very fine people.”

Tapper’s admission is a major concession by CNN, which has refused thus far to correct or retract its repeated claims in recent weeks that Trump was, in fact, referring to the neo-Nazis as “very fine people.” The network even aired deceptively edited video of Trump’s remarks to create the impression that he said something that he had not.

CNN contributor Steve Cortes took his own network to task, noting that CNNs’ own reporting at the time made clear that Trump had been referring to people in Charlottesville to protest the removal of a statue — not neo-Nazis.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by cnewby

.....Biden already asking for nationwide masks. He ain't planning to open anything up(from his basement)

Oh, I know. Political game is a funny one.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I don't disagree, but calling these large media conglomerates mainstream in 2020 is laughable.

Joe Rogan interviewing Alex Jones has more views on YouTube than 99% of the videos CNN has ever put out (For the record their most viewed video is Obama forgetting to Salute).

Before being deplatformed (which I disagreed with) Alex Jones was reaching more people than all of those media conglomerates you listed combined. Rush Limbaugh currently reaches more people.

Media and what we choose to consume and where we get it from has completely changed. It's not the 1970's anymore and those media companies don't have the pull they had back in the day, no matter what many would say.

I am pointing out what the accepted definition of the MSM is, so that people are on the same page.

The MSM is not only about news, so I disagree with your assessment on reach. Movies, music, and sports are also owned by the conglomerates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by cnewby

the horror!!!!

Mail-in voting being fraudulent is a complete lie. There have been studies on it. Its just Republicans stick to beliefs, facts be damned. There are no actual studies supporting their claims. They're never supplied. The truth is voter fraud has been proven to occur in between 0.00004% and 0.00009% of votes. Between 2000 and 2012, there were @ 491 instances of fraud out of hundreds of millions of votes. Thems the facts.

For this issue specifically, they will point to dead people being sent ballots, and go "see!". What they can't point to is those dead people returning ballots. Or those ballots being counted. And thats because a list to send ballots out doesn't go through the same validation that an incoming ballot has.

If they believe something to be true, its "true".
Give them with facts in a study, the study is "biased".
Give them a bunch of studies, its a "conspiracy".
Dispute the conspiracy, then you just "hate America"

Rinse, repeat.

Republicanism is promarily a rural white male (and their wives) thing because that's who they look out for most. The more people vote, the less likely they win. And they do everything in their power to prevent it. Trust me, I saw Scott Walkers republican cronies redraw WI districts so that their 51% win resulted in 70% of the electoral votes. Then upon losing, stripped the governor role of its power and gave it to the republican legislature, thwarting the people's voice who wanted Democratic control. There's no shame and nothing they won't do.

This specific one is rooted in knowing that with COVID around and cities (democratic and multicultural in nature) will need to close more polling places than rural America, creating longer lines in democratic strongholds which will potentially deter them from voting. That's the hope.

[Locoduck]

Originally Posted by cnewby

.....Biden already asking for nationwide masks. He ain't planning to open anything up(from his basement)

Ok bunker boy

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Locoduck

Ok bunker boy

username checks out.

[Clark]

"Very fine people"

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Except people can go vote. Now, if there are issues in areas, those need to be resolved.

There have been plenty of examples just in the last year of voter surpression like closing down polling areas in certain areas to cause massive wait times.

That needs to be resolved, correct?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

There have been plenty of examples just in the last year of voter surpression like closing down polling areas in certain areas to cause massive wait times.

That needs to be resolved, correct?

As I said that you quoted, anything that has issues, needs to be resolved. If they are closing down polling areas for any wrong reason, obviously that needs to be resolved.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

That's part of the problem, though. Numerous polling stations have been closed down - over 1600 - leading to extremely long lines where social distancing guidelines can't realistically be followed. It's no coincidence that most of these polling places have been shut down in poorer neighborhoods whose residents have difficulty traveling to polling places farther away. It's also no coincidence that in many of these areas the residents tend to vote Democrat.



https://civilrights.org/democracy-diverted/

I can't argue on that as I don't have all the facts. I will say I have not seen or heard of any polling places being shut down in my city especially in lower income areas. I waited in line for like 2 hours to vote last election with no covid. And I live in a middle class area. That is just part of the process. If it is important to you then you will wait in line as long as it takes. Employers allow time off to vote as well. Also nobody is saying you can't use the mail in system in place for those that cannot vote in person for medical or other valid reasons. We just don't need millions more voting by mail when our mail system is barely capable of delivering under normal conditions. And it opens up the opportunity for fraud from both sides. Why even open that door. We have seen several cases over the years of mail workers or in some area ballot collectors simply storing away or throwing out thousands of ballots. I don't care who wins as long as the results are as valid and accurate as possible. I also don't want to see them counting ballots 3-6 months after the election meanwhile the country is in chaos waiting for the results to come in. That is not good for any of us regardless of party affiliation.

As many have said my life doesn't end on November 4th either way. My life goes on and I do my best to worry about things I can effect in my life. The president is basically a figure head anyway and what really matters is who we elect to local offices and Congress.

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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

As I said that you quoted, anything that has issues, needs to be resolved. If they are closing down polling areas for any wrong reason, obviously that needs to be resolved.

I'm just speaking personally here, but I would love a mail-in ballot. I work weird hours where I would not be able to go to my polling station to vote without it being disrupting to my normal schedule. While I will not be voting for president, there are plenty of local elections I want to vote for, but can't without a mail-in option or leaving work in the middle of my shift.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by Clark

I am pointing out what the accepted definition of the MSM is, so that people are on the same page.

The MSM is not only about news, so I disagree with your assessment on reach. Movies, music, and sports are also owned by the conglomerates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media

This is an excellent point, Clark.

And these media conglomerates are very dependent on foreign revenues for their business models, so you have to wonder how faithfully they report the news on China.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04...-media-entity/

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I'm just speaking personally here, but I would love a mail-in ballot. I work weird hours where I would not be able to go to my polling station to vote without it being disrupting to my normal schedule. While I will not be voting for president, there are plenty of local elections I want to vote for, but can't without a mail-in option or leaving work in the middle of my shift.

Legally your employer has to let you off in order to vote. So I don't see the problem. It is one day every four years. If it is important to you take the day off and get it done.

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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Legally your employer has to let you off in order to vote. So I don't see the problem. It is one day every four years. If it is important to you take the day off and get it done.

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It's also far easier to just mail in my ballot. That's kind of the point. Not everyone works 9-5, it's so much easier to vote by mail. Forgetting any political feelings about the subject.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I'm just speaking personally here, but I would love a mail-in ballot. I work weird hours where I would not be able to go to my polling station to vote without it being disrupting to my normal schedule. While I will not be voting for president, there are plenty of local elections I want to vote for, but can't without a mail-in option or leaving work in the middle of my shift.

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Legally your employer has to let you off in order to vote. So I don't see the problem. It is one day every four years. If it is important to you take the day off and get it done.

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I don't think it is illegal in Michigan, but a vast majority of employers will allow it.

[WCWolves]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Great. Where is the direct causal link that has been happening on any type of large scale? Or some evidence at all that there is mass voter fraud via mail solely to benefit Democrats?



I'll wait...

It doesn't have to be mass fraud. 10 votes in Wisconsin may be enough to swing the election. I prefer the election be set up in the best way possible to prevent fraud of any type. If that is by mail some day so be it, but I do not feel that all states can implement a vote by mail system successfully by November to make this election more secure than what is currently in place. Adding polling places, adding vote in person days IMO would be more successful for this election. A number of states have proven that they cannot implement mail in for a primary. A number of states have also proven they cannot distribute covid relief successfully in a timely manner. Therefore I feel improving what already exists has a better chance to be successful in the 80+ days left before election day.


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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

It's also far easier to just mail in my ballot. That's kind of the point. Not everyone works 9-5, it's so much easier to vote by mail. Forgetting any political feelings about the subject.

Well if you want your vote to count this election I would highly recommend you do it in person. Even if the USPS gets the funding they requested I have zero confidence in them delivering all the ballots in a timely manner. They are going to be overwhelmed no matter what. I use USPS a lot for business and personal mail/shipping and I often feel like I would better of hand delivering all my mail. They are absolutely terrible around here and have been as long as I can remember. A pandemic surely isn't going to improve their service.

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[Jopeal]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...itions/610261/