BGS Black Labels, Joe Clemons (eBay ID: wjc75056), and Illegitimate Grading - Page 135

HBMC · 06-17-2019, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

My question from the SCR article is who is eBay user kingofswing97? Is that an account of Leaf/Brian/Joe? Because they use the same scanner as Joe for their cards sold on eBay:

Kinda like eeob08 using the same scanning bed Joe used/uses on multiple cards he had at once point on their own listings. Same with fanaticinvestments too.

auburn35 · 06-18-2019, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

My question from the SCR article is who is eBay user kingofswing97? Is that an account of Leaf/Brian/Joe? Because they use the same scanner as Joe for their cards sold on eBay:

Not undeniable evidence like the matching scanner photos but once again, if you look at the previous usernames of kingofswing97
https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...=kingofswing97

Just a coincidence, that this was in the Dallas area?

WEBKINZ NATION
5142 N Jupiter Rd, Garland, TX 75044

More research is needed.

seanbros55 · 06-18-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

My question from the SCR article is who is eBay user kingofswing97? Is that an account of Leaf/Brian/Joe? Because they use the same scanner as Joe for their cards sold on eBay:

Don't trying to derail the thread here, but on a side note, who the eff would want a Lavar Ball superfractor? That guy is a stain...

superdan49 · 06-18-2019, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

Not undeniable evidence like the matching scanner photos but once again, if you look at the previous usernames of kingofswing97
https://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...=kingofswing97

Just a coincidence, that this was in the Dallas area?

WEBKINZ NATION
5142 N Jupiter Rd, Garland, TX 75044

More research is needed.

Today that address is a martial arts academy. However, Webkinz were once sold at Marsha's Art & Frame which once occupied the same location:

Here is the archived version of the now-defunct website. Marsha's sold trading cards and autographs as well as Webkinz. The contact person's first name was Adam:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090717...tandframe.com/

superdan49 · 06-18-2019, 09:42 AM

CONFIRMED: kingofswing97 eBay account is run by Leaf employee Adam Berk

https://rocketreach.co/adam-berk-email_23365524

mattglet · 06-18-2019, 09:45 AM

Solid work Dan.

sammyjankis · 06-18-2019, 09:47 AM

Too many damn Nancy Drews up in here, indeed.

no10pin · 06-18-2019, 09:48 AM

Live shot of Leaf Headquarters.

Maybe someone can PM Brian Gray to get his latest whining about how long this thread is. Another day, another bombshell, great work as always!

auburn35 · 06-18-2019, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

CONFIRMED: kingofswing97 eBay account is run by Leaf employee Adam Berk

https://rocketreach.co/adam-berk-email_23365524

Nice teamwork.

I directly asked Brain, if Leaf had other eBay accounts, after linking the nogumjustcards back to him.
Thanks for the speaking the truth Brian. Not surprised, just disappointed.

anusinha · 06-18-2019, 09:50 AM

dun dun dun....... so is this a rogue employee back dooring cards?

Vintagecollect · 06-18-2019, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

dun dun dun....... so is this a rogue employee back dooring cards?

Wow. Amazing

stryk · 06-18-2019, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

CONFIRMED: kingofswing97 eBay account is run by Leaf employee Adam Berk

https://rocketreach.co/adam-berk-email_23365524

Shocked.....

said no one ever.

stryk · 06-18-2019, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HBMC

Kinda like eeob08 using the same scanning bed Joe used/uses on multiple cards he had at once point on their own listings. Same with fanaticinvestments too.

Maybe they just use the scanner at Leaf HQ and list them on their own accounts?

superdan49 · 06-18-2019, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

dun dun dun....... so is this a rogue employee back dooring cards?

Are these cards being given to employees like Joe and Adam in lieu of cash bonuses?

Are these cards being purchased by said employees as singles or in packs/boxes?

Is a percentage of the final realized eBay sale price of these cards sent back to Leaf?

Are the eBay accounts Eeobe08, LBJ2016, and Fanaticinvestments also run by Leaf company employees in the same way nogumjustcards, wjc75056, and kingofswing97 are?

These are some of the questions that are raised by this latest discovery.

Cubsfanp · 06-18-2019, 10:07 AM

What speaks volumes to me is this...

If what Brian said was true (giving benefit to doubt-which is running out) about these cards being leftovers from bonus packs at the national, then it means that LEAF had bad enough sales vs. expectations that 90% of this giveaway bonus was leftover and sold to employees.

The majority of people buying the product are its own employees?

This could be its own thread.

mlbfan10 · 06-18-2019, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyjankis

Too many damn Nancy Drews up in here, indeed.

Sarcasm? If not you w t f would you have anything to say negative about the amazing work the people on these boards are doing.

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Cubsfanp · 06-18-2019, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mlbfan10

Sarcasm? If not you w t f would you have anything to say negative about the amazing work the people on these boards are doing.

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Did you read Dan's signature?

Briss · 06-18-2019, 10:15 AM

Dan great stuff sir! It sucks because I get excited every year when Leaf Metal Draft football comes out, but after all this I might just sell all my Leaf Husky collection and be done with them.

mlbfan10 · 06-18-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

Did you read Dan's signature?

Hahaha, Thank you, that's perfect! PBM was on my mind. Being on Tapatalk I didn't see.

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chezball · 06-18-2019, 10:17 AM

You guys are amazing, the internet never forgets.

rainmaker · 06-18-2019, 10:25 AM

goodness this thread just keeps on giving! great work

Bassplayah101 · 06-18-2019, 10:27 AM

The OSINT on display in this thread makes my pants tight.

Bravo fellas..

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WhacksPacks · 06-18-2019, 10:30 AM

oof...yikes

dthimesch · 06-18-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Are these cards being given to employees like Joe and Adam in lieu of cash bonuses?

Are these cards being purchased by said employees as singles or in packs/boxes?

Is a percentage of the final realized eBay sale price of these cards sent back to Leaf?

Are the eBay accounts Eeobe08, LBJ2016, and Fanaticinvestments also run by Leaf company employees in the same way nogumjustcards, wjc75056, and kingofswing97 are?

These are some of the questions that are raised by this latest discovery.

Seems like Leaf employees are the company's biggest customers. Surely a company cant last long like that.

Kuch86 · 06-18-2019, 10:40 AM

"We gave away a little more than half the packs that were made. On the Sunday of the show, we sold the remaining packs to a number of people including Tom Fish from Blowout, Joe and more. At least 10 different dealers were offered the chance to buy remaining packs BEFORE Joe was allowed to buy the remaining after those guys took what they wanted." - LEAF (BG)

Yet, two (that we know of SO far) LEAF employees, Joe and Adam, ended up with 55% of the best cards in the packs...

06-18-2019, 09:42 AM	#3355
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	CONFIRMED: kingofswing97 eBay account is run by Leaf employee Adam Berk https://rocketreach.co/adam-berk-email_23365524 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

06-18-2019, 09:45 AM	#3356
mattglet Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 4,348	Solid work Dan. __________________ Creator of ListingAlarm - get instantly notified when a card you're looking for is listed on eBay! https://www.listingalarm.com Collecting Riley Pint - www.RileyPint.com Total owned: 77%, 1/1s: 71

06-18-2019, 09:48 AM	#3358
no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,858 no10pin no10pin	Live shot of Leaf Headquarters. Maybe someone can PM Brian Gray to get his latest whining about how long this thread is. Another day, another bombshell, great work as always! __________________ Always looking for more George Brett stuff. Need more rookies, low numbered inserts/parallels and on-card autos (no Panini).

06-18-2019, 10:07 AM	#3365
Cubsfanp Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,095 wrigleyville2007 Cubsfanp	What speaks volumes to me is this... If what Brian said was true (giving benefit to doubt-which is running out) about these cards being leftovers from bonus packs at the national, then it means that LEAF had bad enough sales vs. expectations that 90% of this giveaway bonus was leftover and sold to employees. The majority of people buying the product are its own employees? This could be its own thread. __________________ That. Just. Happened.

06-18-2019, 10:25 AM	#3371
rainmaker Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2,825 thewescoast	goodness this thread just keeps on giving! great work __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/152850287@N08/albums

06-18-2019, 09:47 AM	#3357
sammyjankis Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,896	Too many damn Nancy Drews up in here, indeed.

06-18-2019, 09:50 AM	#3360
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,640	dun dun dun....... so is this a rogue employee back dooring cards?

06-18-2019, 10:15 AM	#3368
Briss Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Earth hovering over WA State Posts: 3,382 buydonica	Dan great stuff sir! It sucks because I get excited every year when Leaf Metal Draft football comes out, but after all this I might just sell all my Leaf Husky collection and be done with them.

06-18-2019, 10:17 AM	#3370
chezball Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North East Beatoff USA Posts: 21,679 jabber	You guys are amazing, the internet never forgets.

06-18-2019, 10:27 AM	#3372
Bassplayah101 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: 1 Patriot Place Posts: 7,993	The OSINT on display in this thread makes my pants tight. Bravo fellas.. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

06-18-2019, 10:30 AM	#3373
WhacksPacks Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5,239 WhacksPacks	oof...yikes __________________ Buy what you like. Hold on to what you love.

06-18-2019, 10:40 AM	#3375
Kuch86 Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 379 SUTHE49 KUCH86	"We gave away a little more than half the packs that were made. On the Sunday of the show, we sold the remaining packs to a number of people including Tom Fish from Blowout, Joe and more. At least 10 different dealers were offered the chance to buy remaining packs BEFORE Joe was allowed to buy the remaining after those guys took what they wanted." - LEAF (BG) Yet, two (that we know of SO far) LEAF employees, Joe and Adam, ended up with 55% of the best cards in the packs... Last edited by Kuch86; 06-18-2019 at 10:43 AM.