2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Former FBI agent who alerted evidence to obtain FISA warrants on Trump campaign to plead guilty today.

Shhhhhhh. Don't tell anyone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/u...?smid=tw-share

Drip. Drip. Drip. The truth begins to come out.

[DegaBama]

https://news.yahoo.com/gretchen-whit...094502576.html

Wow, Yahoo with an article that paints a Democrat in a negative light. Then again, Whitmer is an insult to Democrats.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

https://news.yahoo.com/gretchen-whit...094502576.html

Wow, Yahoo with an article that paints a Democrat in a negative light. Then again, Whitmer is an insult to Democrats.

She vetoed a bill that prevented nursing home patients with COVID from going back to nursing homes. Bipartisan. Many dems supported the bill and even more Dems condemned Whitmer for her initial policy.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/op...cy/3300487001/

What reason could she possibly have for vetoing the bill? IDK.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Durham probe announcement today, getting deeper into the corruption finally.

Quentin's duck went "Quack! Quack! Quack!"
Q-U-A-C-K
Though Quentin tried to teach him more,
"Quack!" was all he'd say.

I do wish chez was here for this.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I mean ... look at this.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/veter...135040768.html

The argument is "Trump is too weak to go to war". Attacking the President of the United States for not starting wars ... when you recognize that no matter how successful Trump is in certain aspects, he will get criticized 24/7 in some way ... you can appreciate what he has actually accomplished for most Americans in 3.5 years.

Trump's domestic failings are more acute than any foreign policy action could ever overshadow. You all are finally right about the Russian collusion and Ukraine extortion, whatever other awful thing he did before 2019:
no one cares about them.
Trump has much bigger problems now. Even the go-to panderings aren't big enough distractions.

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Democrats live in fantasy land. Republicans live in factual land. That's what I have seen in this thread. Not the media, they are all in fantasy land.

Can't we all live together in Factasy Land?
No! Fantual Land!
(Better weather.)

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Give it time. We'll learn soon enough why Middle East peace is not a good thing.

I'm sure the headlines will be something along the lines of "As disaster mounts at home, Trump plays referee abroad"

Saudi Arabia would seal Iran's fate if they came to the table next. We'll see.

Originally Posted by jdandns

Trump's domestic failings are more acute than any foreign policy action could ever overshadow. You all are finally right about the Russian collusion and Ukraine extortion, whatever other awful thing he did before 2019:
no one cares about them.
Trump has much bigger problems now. Even the go-to panderings aren't big enough distractions.

Nailed it.

[NeedChapmans]

Over 100 posts about Russia and Trump in here from JD

Today, a complete shift in rhetoric. FBI agent pleads guilty, Trump moderates Middle East peace plan "That stuff doesn't matter, look over here"

Just like that.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Over 100 posts about Russia and Trump in here from JD

Today, a complete shift in rhetoric. FBI agent pleads guilty, Trump moderates Middle East peace plan "That stuff doesn't matter, look over here"

Just like that.

Fantasy over fact.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Over 100 posts about Russia and Trump in here from JD

Today, a complete shift in rhetoric. FBI agent pleads guilty, Trump moderates Middle East peace plan "That stuff doesn't matter, look over here"

Just like that.

He’s turning over a new leaf.

Hopefully he just hides under for a while, but given his egomania that’s highly unlikely.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

The barrage of "Trump is evil" "Trump is racist" "Trump is corrupt" is endless in this thread. I personally don't see it. My life has improved over the past four years as well as the lives of many that I know. I attribute very little of that to Donald Trump (maybe none), 90% of it to constant effort finally paying off with it just so happening to be over the course of the last three years, and 10% luck.

So I'll ask... how has your life gotten worse over the past four years, and what rationale do you have for attributing it to Trump? "He says terrible things" doesn't really cut it for me.

He has failed his one big test, leadership during a pandemic. Are things better now? For who?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by wood minis

He has failed his one big test, leadership during a pandemic. Are things better now? For who?

Again, how? What should he have done better than the left wouldn't have bashed him for?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Again, how? What should he have done better than the left wouldn't have bashed him for?

He could have taken it seriously.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by wood minis

He has failed his one big test, leadership during a pandemic. Are things better now? For who?

Right now - things are NOT better.

Zero leadership, zero plan - only thing we heard was wishful thinking and blame.

It is absolutely true that had Trump and his team taken the virus seriously - from the start and followed science instead of Fox - we would have minimal viral load in the country, schools would be back and college football would be getting ready to go.

We are not winning - we are the laughing stock of the world,
Hardly considered a world leader anymore as the administration has insulted and sowed deep divides with allies....... all the while praising authoritarian leaders around the world.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by wood minis

He could have taken it seriously.

Again, how?

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Right now - things are NOT better.

Zero leadership, zero plan - only thing we heard was wishful thinking and blame.

It is absolutely true that had Trump and his team taken the virus seriously - from the start and followed science instead of Fox - we would have minimal viral load in the country, schools would be back and college football would be getting ready to go.

We are not winning - we are the laughing stock of the world,
Hardly considered a world leader anymore as the administration has insulted and sowed deep divides with allies....... all the while praising authoritarian leaders around the world.

The "experts" didn't take it seriously! The shut down for a few weeks. What else could he have done? Is it his fault that Democratic states destroyed their economy and had more deaths?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by wood minis

He could have taken it seriously.

And again through the beginning experts like Dr Fauci werent concerned in the beginning and when President Trump did travel bans i do believe it was the Democrats laughing at him

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Right now - things are NOT better.

Zero leadership, zero plan - only thing we heard was wishful thinking and blame.

It is absolutely true that had Trump and his team taken the virus seriously - from the start and followed science instead of Fox - we would have minimal viral load in the country, schools would be back and college football would be getting ready to go.

We are not winning - we are the laughing stock of the world,
Hardly considered a world leader anymore as the administration has insulted and sowed deep divides with allies....... all the while praising authoritarian leaders around the world.

How is the bolded possible? Just like Wood; I don't know what you mean when you say "take the virus seriously". Like; lock people in their houses? Is that what you want the President to have done?

And the italicized is not based in reality. He just negotiated a peace deal in the Middle East. How does what you say make any sense?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Right now - things are NOT better.

Zero leadership, zero plan - only thing we heard was wishful thinking and blame.

It is absolutely true that had Trump and his team taken the virus seriously - from the start and followed science instead of Fox - we would have minimal viral load in the country, schools would be back and college football would be getting ready to go.

We are not winning - we are the laughing stock of the world,
Hardly considered a world leader anymore as the administration has insulted and sowed deep divides with allies....... all the while praising authoritarian leaders around the world.

How can you prove anything that you are saying????

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

How can you prove anything that you are saying????

They can't. As mentioned earlier - pure emotion.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Again, how?



The "experts" didn't take it seriously! The shut down for a few weeks. What else could he have done? Is it his fault that Democratic states destroyed their economy and had more deaths?

SMH - LEADERS lead!!!!!!!!

They do NOT blame, side step - he is the damn president and we had a pandemic hit.
No states followed the CDC guidelines to open up. To even suggest this is a blue/red state thing is beyond comprehension. This is a WE situation and it was not taken seriously at all!
Zero national testing plan, zero plan, zero grasp on reality from this administration - all they wanted to do was blame.

REAL leaders make tough decisions for the betterment of the people who chose them to lead - Trump is the president and as such - myself and every damn other American expect him to do his job and LEAD.

No "what if's" anymore

The response to the virus has been an unmitigated disaster and isn't going away anytime soon. No college football - concerts gatherings. Why, not because anyone was a dem or republican but because WE did not have a leader!

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

And again through the beginning experts like Dr Fauci werent concerned in the beginning and when President Trump did travel bans i do believe it was the Democrats laughing at him

On February 26, President Trump boasted that the coronavirus was about to disappear altogether from the United States. “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” What kind of leader is going to say this?

Trump is the President. Not Dr. Fauci. Why does the buck stop with Fauci and not Trump?

And what's his plan now?

[Chris Lyle]

So since we can play the what about game etc. Why dont you guys tell me How Hillary would've done any better and tell me how with facts the Biden will do any better

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

And again through the beginning experts like Dr Fauci werent concerned in the beginning and when President Trump did travel bans i do believe it was the Democrats laughing at him

Agreed - travel ban - yall love to say that.

Want to know a little tid-bit about hat travel ban....400,000 more people ENTERED the US after the ban.

As for your quote of Fauci - that was taken out of context - and needs to have the last half added to it.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by wood minis

On February 26, President Trump boasted that the coronavirus was about to disappear altogether from the United States. “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” What kind of leader is going to say this?

Trump is the President. Not Dr. Fauci. Why does the buck stop with Fauci and not Trump?

And what's his plan now?

Fauci is the expert not Trump during the same time frame that you are going back to Fauci said it wasnt an issue in the US.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Agreed - travel ban - yall love to say that.

Want to know a little tid-bit about hat travel ban....400,000 more people ENTERED the US after the ban.

As for your quote of Fauci - that was taken out of context - and needs to have the last half added to it.

Nope completely what he said was it wasn't an issue in the US and they were monitoring it. So be before you call me out then know what Im saying

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

The response to the virus has been an unmitigated disaster and isn't going away anytime soon. No college football - concerts gatherings. Why, not because anyone was a dem or republican but because WE did not have a leader!

The virus is here now because we don't have a leader? What?

A lot of words, but I haven't heard you say what we should have done. Perhaps you can tell us what country did it right.

Which one? Pick your favorite. Just one please. Who showed how to lead?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Agreed - travel ban - yall love to say that.

Want to know a little tid-bit about hat travel ban....400,000 more people ENTERED the US after the ban.

As for your quote of Fauci - that was taken out of context - and needs to have the last half added to it.

So you're going to deflect to that 400000 came in after that instead of talking about the fact that Democrats laughed at him