2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

And how do you propose they do that? And stop blaming the media for making it political. Left, right, and center should all be for giving the USPS what they need to get this election done and done on time. Yet I see divisions on how to handle the USPS. If you're afraid that you'll lose an election because more people voted, then maybe you have a really awful platform or are out of touch with the populace. I cannot believe people don't realize this.

I cannot believe people don't realize how dangerous the mass mailing ballots to everyone is.

Could it go OK? Sure. Not a bet I would make. In fact I would bet heavy on the other side. I want no part of the USPS being primarily in charge of elections and election security. Absolutely none.

Request a ballot, get a ballot. Or go vote in person.

I don't like early voting either.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Onions

I cannot believe people don't realize how dangerous the mass mailing ballots to everyone is.



Could it go OK? Sure. Not a bet I would make. In fact I would bet heavy on the other side. I want no part of the USPS being primarily in charge of elections and election security. Absolutely none.



Request a ballot, get a ballot. Or go vote in person.



I don't like early voting either.

This, exactly this.

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[Onions]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

It’s just tough when rents in Phoenix are rising 9% every year. But yes, states minimum wages increases are showing an effect

Phoenix area is one of the fastest growing population centers, correct?

Super hard to keep a lid on rents when demand is skyrocketing.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Unless I missed it, I don't recall this being an issue in 2016, 2012, 2008, so on and so forth. Why is this such an issue, now?

Because they are underfunded, dealing with long delays in service, and oh yeah, we are in the middle of a pandemic where we should be giving them everything they need to make sure ballots are delivered to voters and then delivered to their local board of elections. The USPS being underfunded has been an issue for a while, we are just seeing how bad the cracks are due to COVID-19. This isn't some hoax or ploy to make Trump look bad. It's a real thing that both parties have dropped the ball on. The GOP instituting some of the dumb rules like funding the pension 100% for the life of each employee is part of the reason why the USPS is running poorly now.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Onions

I cannot believe people don't realize how dangerous the mass mailing ballots to everyone is.

Could it go OK? Sure. Not a bet I would make. In fact I would bet heavy on the other side. I want no part of the USPS being primarily in charge of elections and election security. Absolutely none.

Request a ballot, get a ballot. Or go vote in person.

I don't like early voting either.

Where did I suggest mailing everyone a ballot? Pretty sure I didn't. If you request one, you should get one and if you mail one back on time, it should be counted. Agree?

I also think voting should not be limited to one day, it should be a few days long so that people who have last minute things pop up, can still vote. But that's just me.

[DegaBama]

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Where did I suggest mailing everyone a ballot? Pretty sure I didn't. If you request one, you should get one and if you mail one back on time, it should be counted. Agree?

I also think voting should not be limited to one day, it should be a few days long so that people who have last minute things pop up, can still vote. But that's just me.

I agree.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Because they are underfunded, dealing with long delays in service, and oh yeah, we are in the middle of a pandemic where we should be giving them everything they need to make sure ballots are delivered to voters and then delivered to their local board of elections. The USPS being underfunded has been an issue for a while, we are just seeing how bad the cracks are due to COVID-19. This isn't some hoax or ploy to make Trump look bad. It's a real thing that both parties have dropped the ball on. The GOP instituting some of the dumb rules like funding the pension 100% for the life of each employee is part of the reason why the USPS is running poorly now.

If people can go to the store, they can go vote. I agree that options need to be there but it can't be a mass allowance of mail-in voting.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

If people can go to the store, they can go vote. I agree that options need to be there but it can't be a mass allowance of mail-in voting.

SMH, where do you even find the poll workers? Generally speaking, poll workers tend to be older, which would make them at high risk. And you'd need many more poll workers given the need to disinfect everything between voters. Oh, and you'd have dozens of people queued in line to vote versus a handful queued in line to shop. I could go on why I feel this is a a pretty bad argument to make. But yes, generally asking thousands of people to congregate at the same place at the same time with limited resources and limited workers to cover everything, is a really bad idea in a global pandemic.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

And this is why it's dumb that you have people ARGUING against funding the postal service, in an election year, in the midst of a global pandemic. It's crazy how there are people out there who DON'T want you to vote. We should want every single person who is allowed to vote, to vote. If there was 100% turnout and the party that I disliked got the win, I'd be disappointed that my party lost, but overjoyed at the turnout. The people who are so dead set on winning that they'll cut corners to do so is ridiculous. There is no widespread evidence to support that mail-in voting is riddled with fraud.

Never mind that states just willy nilly close polling stations or you have State Secretaries purging electoral rolls without reason or warning. Just in Ohio, we had over 100,000 purged from the records because they didn't vote. That's so stupid. It's your right to vote, and being denied that because you didn't exercise it prior is just dumb. You don't see people in favor of restricting access to a gun because you didn't buy one first chance you could.

Absentee voting already exists, so you can already vote by mail. To me, anybody that wants to extend beyond that has to have an ulterior motive. If you want to avoid voting at the polls in person, request an absentee ballot. Seems simple enough.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I also think voting should not be limited to one day, it should be a few days long so that people who have last minute things pop up, can still vote. But that's just me.

Either that or make election day a national holiday where all non-essential businesses have to close.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

SMH, where do you even find the poll workers? Generally speaking, poll workers tend to be older, which would make them at high risk. And you'd need many more poll workers given the need to disinfect everything between voters. Oh, and you'd have dozens of people queued in line to vote versus a handful queued in line to shop. I could go on why I feel this is a a pretty bad argument to make. But yes, generally asking thousands of people to congregate at the same place at the same time with limited resources and limited workers to cover everything, is a really bad idea in a global pandemic.

I figured after 5 months of data, people have a better idea about risks and can make their own decisions.

It's funny, the left media is okay with protests and riots but with voting, people can't be risking themselves to go out!

Originally Posted by free2131

Either that or make election day a national holiday where all non-essential businesses have to close.

You can't close every business.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I figured after 5 months of data, people have a better idea about risks and can make their own decisions.

It's funny, the left media is okay with protests and riots but with voting, people can't be risking themselves to go out!



You can't close every business.

bUt WHaT aBouT thE ProTEsTs???

I'll tell you what, when we have a system in place that can handle online protests that accomplish the same thing as in person ones, then we can talk. I mean, it's not like we have mail in voting system and process in place and all we need to do is throw some money at the USPS to shore it up. Oh wait...........................

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

bUt WHaT aBouT thE ProTEsTs???

I'll tell you what, when we have a system in place that can handle online protests that accomplish the same thing as in person ones, then we can talk. I mean, it's not like we have mail in voting system and process in place and all we need to do is throw some money at the USPS to shore it up. Oh wait...........................

It's a fair point, again, it's just a media ploy. I don't want to hear any excuse from the media that in person voting is dangerous. I do think it's fair to have options, but giving a failing business model more money, I don't agree with.

[tpeichel34]

Almost all high school kids need volunteer hours. Why not train them to be poll workers, with experienced poll workers overseeing them, if the elderly poll workers are concerned about their health?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

bUt WHaT aBouT thE ProTEsTs???

I'll tell you what, when we have a system in place that can handle online protests that accomplish the same thing as in person ones, then we can talk. I mean, it's not like we have mail in voting system and process in place and all we need to do is throw some money at the USPS to shore it up. Oh wait...........................

What did the protests accomplish?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

SMH, where do you even find the poll workers? Generally speaking, poll workers tend to be older, which would make them at high risk. And you'd need many more poll workers given the need to disinfect everything between voters. Oh, and you'd have dozens of people queued in line to vote versus a handful queued in line to shop. I could go on why I feel this is a a pretty bad argument to make. But yes, generally asking thousands of people to congregate at the same place at the same time with limited resources and limited workers to cover everything, is a really bad idea in a global pandemic.

I’ve never seen thousands of people in line at a single polling station. Let’s not be fascetious.

Masks, social distancing, wash your hands before and after. It’s simple and 99% effective in keeping you virus free.

If you are concerned request an absentee ballot.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by rman112

What did the protests accomplish?

100% increase in their feels.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

You can't close every business.

For a Tuesday in November? Why not?

Grocery stores and pharmacies would be labeled essential, as would hospitals, fire dept, police, etc. No haircuts or bank trips or working in the cubicle for a day won't kill anyone and lost revenue for a weekday won't kill any business that wouldn't be on shaky ground to begin with.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

bUt WHaT aBouT thE ProTEsTs???

I'll tell you what, when we have a system in place that can handle online protests that accomplish the same thing as in person ones, then we can talk. I mean, it's not like we have mail in voting system and process in place and all we need to do is throw some money at the USPS to shore it up. Oh wait...........................

I would rather they take the billions of dollars they are looking at giving to the USPS and use it to increase the number and safety of polling places. Masks, sanitizer, younger people working the polls, etc. Instead of giving me the "I Voted" sticker, just let everyone keep their "I Voted 2020" pen so 150 people have not touched the same one.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by Onions

I would rather they take the billions of dollars they are looking at giving to the USPS and use it to increase the number and safety of polling places.

Maybe they can start by opening up the ones they've closed for...uh... "budgetary reasons"...

[Onions]

Originally Posted by free2131

Maybe they can start by opening up the ones they've closed for...uh... "budgetary reasons"...

A few billion bucks should do the trick.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by free2131

For a Tuesday in November? Why not?

Grocery stores and pharmacies would be labeled essential, as would hospitals, fire dept, police, etc. No haircuts or bank trips or working in the cubicle for a day won't kill anyone and lost revenue for a weekday won't kill any business that wouldn't be on shaky ground to begin with.

I'm all for closing, I just hate the term "essential". I'd enjoy the extra day off, take off that Monday too and boom, 4 day weekend!

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by free2131

For a Tuesday in November? Why not?

Grocery stores and pharmacies would be labeled essential, as would hospitals, fire dept, police, etc. No haircuts or bank trips or working in the cubicle for a day won't kill anyone and lost revenue for a weekday won't kill any business that wouldn't be on shaky ground to begin with.

Take away my Taco Tuesday, and we are going to have some issues.

[NeedChapmans]

Voting is dangerous because of the crowds.

Uhh huh.